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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: Electric Terry on May 15, 2017, 05:58:10 PM
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So for those on the Facebook Zero Motorcycle Owners Group you know this hashtag is popular recently. It refers to the plug and play Diginow Superchargers that are half the size and weight of the Elcon chargers we all used to use. And even at half the weight and size they put out 50% more power and run cooler. And they are waterproof.
But because they are so small, tiny, lightweight and powerful, many people have been able to carry more chargers easily than a single J plug can deliver. So with all these Zero owners now charging with 2 J plugs with their superchargers, the term #DubJay was born.
A year ago I was encouraged by all the DIY Charger projects going on, but with this new tiny, powerful, weather resistant charging unit, messing around with meanwells or Eltek flatpacks at this point is kind of silly as there is a better option. A year ago my friend Luke and I both built Eltek flatpacks off instructions from endless sphere. 2 of the units died from moisture and it was always a pain to pull them out of a waterproof enclosure to use them and then pray it doesn't rain while you are charging and grab a bite to eat. But then it was the lightest, cheapest most powerful option if you couldn't find places to mount the Hollywood Electrics Elcon 2500's which were waterproof.
Hollywood Electrics is now selling the Diginow 3300 watt superchargers instead. If you need cheap charging for home, and are good with building your own electronics, the Eltek flatpacks make a fair solution. But since they are still costly and break if they get any moisture, it's still kind of silly not to get the superchargers, especially because of you ever want to take them with you on the bike or mount them they won't break if they get wet. I've had plenty of chargers break from water and corrosion which is why years ago I had mounted 9 2500 watt Elcons to my bike where meanwell power supplies would have been lighter. I learned my lesson and so I'm sharing with you. If you want to charge fast at home, a open charger or power supply is fine, but if you are going to take it with you for remote charging, it needs to be IP67 or greater. Perhaps if you live in the desert you can guarantee it won't rain in the summer, although this is an El Niño year and is still raining unexpectedly here in California. Also sand isn't good to get sucked into air drawn open chargers either. Best just to travel with sealed units and use the open units at home in an enclosed garage.
Ok I felt it was necessary to say that as I see a lot of DIY threads and I don't want anyone new to get burned and spend money on something just to have it get damp, corrode and short. If you think you even might be tempted to take your charger with you on the bike, don't do it unless you are 100% certain it won't rain and the humidity is low. Like I said there is a better option now so that you don't have to have these conflicts anymore.
Anyway this thread was to ask all those who are now #DubJay charging with the new superchargers to post pics of your charging setup at a charging station and talk about how much you like #DubJay charging.
To kick it off I'm posting a pic of my buddy Luke "Liveforphysics" on endless sphere and a previous Eltek Flatpack user on his Zero but now also converted to 6 of the new DigiNow superchargers and is now #TripJay charging at 19.8 and no longer has to carry flatpacks chargers in a ziplock plastic bag in his backpack because all 6 are permanently mounted to his bike! 3 in the tank and 3 under the battery in place of the onboard charger in the skidpan.
Luke's bike of course is special and he has special hardware and firmware to let him charge at 19.8 kW with 6 Diginow Superchargers and 3 J plugs, but the rest of us should be able to use either 3 or 4 chargers and 2 J plugs.
Tell us your #DubJay supercharger story! :D
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Here is my bike with 4 of the Diginow Superchargers #DubJay Charging at 13,200 watts (6.6 kW per J plug) on a 24 hour 800 mile trip to LA and back I made to pick up 8 more boxes of superchargers for Electric Cowboy to finish installations in the Bay Area a few weeks ago. (Edit: the forum is telling me that picture exceeds 600kb and can't be uploaded from my phone. This is a picture riding to Sonoma with a spare tire on the back instead. You can still see one side of the superchargers mounted to the crashbars). These were just replacement installations for people that had the supercharger version 1 which had manufacturing defects that unfortunately could not be solved. All the new orders go through Hollywood Electrics and a plug and play kit gets sent out. I believe they start shipping this week, I'm not sure. If you ordered from Hollywood Electrics and already got your superchargers please post and let us know. I'm out of the loop on that and would like to know.
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Just got my Charge Tank plastics installed last week, installed the SC V2 last night. Had a connection problem and stayed up troubleshooting it, finally got it working and everything back together before 1AM. One little cable wasn't all the way in its connector. Snapped it in and everything came to life, charging at awesome speeds.
Now I need to buy another 3.3kW module to stuff in there. :) Great product!
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While I completely agree that the diginow chargers are the most prefereable and best solution, and I really long to have them, I simply cannot spend another 3-5k on chargers. :(
If the prices were lower, I would not even consider a different solution, but with these high prices, it is like "Yes, I'd love a Ferrari, but the Nissan must suffice." ;)
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$1,500 gets you started with a 3.3kW unit...
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While I completely agree that the diginow chargers are the most prefereable and best solution, and I really long to have them, I simply cannot spend another 3-5k on chargers. :(
If the prices were lower, I would not even consider a different solution, but with these high prices, it is like "Yes, I'd love a Ferrari, but the Nissan must suffice." ;)
The stock delta q accessory chargers are 12 pounds, do 1000 watts and are $600. The new DigiNow superchargers are 7 pounds, do 3300 watts and are less than 3 delta Q's! And if you get a second (don't need the control module for a 2nd unit) its less than 2 delta Q's. So for better technology that is smaller and lighter you would expect to pay more per watt right? With the supercharger you actually pay less per watt AND get something smaller lighter and still waterproof and durable. Wouldn't you say that's pretty cheap as far as charging goes?
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Not a photo but a video of my setup:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BTtNUCrhCkZ/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BTtNUCrhCkZ/)
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Wtf :D How cool is that charging port at the tail of the bike 8)
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Not a photo but a video of my setup:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BTtNUCrhCkZ/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BTtNUCrhCkZ/)
Fourth connection is mysterious.
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That tail charger is SICK! I'd love to do that and replace the taillight with a red ring that goes around the charger. Mmmmmm so exciting.
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That tail charger is SICK! I'd love to do that and replace the taillight with a red ring that goes around the charger. Mmmmmm so exciting.
That'd be awesome. You could rig a microcontroller to do normal taillight behavior and also detect charging, glow according to the battery voltage, low, midrange, and full.
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That'd be awesome. You could rig a microcontroller to do normal taillight behavior and also detect charging, glow according to the battery voltage, low, midrange, and full.
O_____O whoa
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Nice job sir! That's a reasonable set of plugs!
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Yes Luke it's getting close. To me a reasonable set of potential J plugs is 4, since I started using 4 J plugs in early 2014 and realize most installations are 2 charging stations with 2 plugs each, meaning 4 potential sources of 6.6 kW. Newer installations the past year or 2 are doing rows of 10 chargers with 2 J plugs each.
DC charging is complicated because of the non voltage compliance but J plugs are everywhere. And if in the wild, RV parks have 50 or more 14-50's sometimes. So tapping 2 or 4 is pretty easy as the spots are so close together. You just tell the manager you would like to pay for electricity from 4 meters. It's not as hard as you think. And there are 20,000 RV parks across the country everywhere if 4 J plugs aren't available on your area.
Until a regulatory commission enforces the 50-500 volt standard for Chademo and SAE CCS Combo this is the way to go. And I have a feeling by the time that happens, there will be a different standard closer to the size of a Tesla plug which is smaller than a single J1772.
Congrats to all you #dubjay chargers out there and cheers to all those who will be #dubjay charging soon!!
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Not a photo but a video of my setup:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BTtNUCrhCkZ/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BTtNUCrhCkZ/)
Fourth connection is mysterious.
Did you mean the third?
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When switching between single and double j plugs, do you need to reconfigure the connectors of the chargers, or does it just know what to do no matter how many plugs? For example if you have 6.6 kw Diginow kit, how would it work if you plugged into a single 6.6 kw station and later pulled into a station with two available 3.3 kw plugs?
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When switching between single and double j plugs, do you need to reconfigure the connectors of the chargers, or does it just know what to do no matter how many plugs? For example if you have 6.6 kw Diginow kit, how would it work if you plugged into a single 6.6 kw station and later pulled into a station with two available 3.3 kw plugs?
In my case, one J inlet is routed to 6.6 kW unit and second inlet is routed to 3.3 kW unit + 110V outlet for onboard. The following options are available to you:
- Use onboard 1.3 kW by connecting onboard directly to 110V
- Use 3.3 kW unit by connecting just that unit to 110V
- Use 3.3 kW unit by connecting just that unit to J1772
- Use 4.6 kW (3.3 + onboard) by connecting to J1772
- Use 6.6 kW by connecting to J1772
- Use 9.9 kW by connecting to 2 J1772 but not plugging onboard
- Use 12.2 kW by connecting to 2 J1772 and plugging in onboard
No need to switch any connectors, just pick and choose which J inlet you want to use.
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While I completely agree that the diginow chargers are the most prefereable and best solution, and I really long to have them, I simply cannot spend another 3-5k on chargers. :(
If the prices were lower, I would not even consider a different solution, but with these high prices, it is like "Yes, I'd love a Ferrari, but the Nissan must suffice." ;)
The stock delta q accessory chargers are 12 pounds, do 1000 watts and are $600. The new DigiNow superchargers are 7 pounds, do 3300 watts and are less than 3 delta Q's! And if you get a second (don't need the control module for a 2nd unit) its less than 2 delta Q's. So for better technology that is smaller and lighter you would expect to pay more per watt right? With the supercharger you actually pay less per watt AND get something smaller lighter and still waterproof and durable. Wouldn't you say that's pretty cheap as far as charging goes?
Well Terry, I agree thar the diginow chargers are by far preferable to the delta Qs. But that has not been your original post. You compared it to self-built solutions (e.g. not waterproof). But these solutions are much cheaper. I am building a self-build solution with 4.9 kW for less then 700$.
Don't get me wrong. I love the diginow charger and I am extremely happy that there is such a solution. I am just saying it may not be the perfect solution to everybody. As you specifically discussed the self-built solutions, I just wanted to make clear that there might be perfect valid reasons to go for a self-built one. In my case, I will probably only use it 5 to max 10 times in the year, and this always only with perfect wheather conditions.
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Not a photo but a video of my setup:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BTtNUCrhCkZ/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BTtNUCrhCkZ/)
So cool! I can just keep watching that over...and over...and over...
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In my case, I will probably only use it 5 to max 10 times in the year, and this always only with perfect wheather conditions.
Gotcha and I understand. For maybe 5 times a year and only when there are perfectly clear weather conditions with a 0% chance of rain you should be fine, just be very careful and always keep it in a large ziplock plastic bag when not in use if it will not be stored in a humidity controlled environment.
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When switching between single and double j plugs, do you need to reconfigure the connectors of the chargers, or does it just know what to do no matter how many plugs? For example if you have 6.6 kw Diginow kit, how would it work if you plugged into a single 6.6 kw station and later pulled into a station with two available 3.3 kw plugs?
In my case, one J inlet is routed to 6.6 kW unit and second inlet is routed to 3.3 kW unit + 110V outlet for onboard. The following options are available to you:
- Use onboard 1.3 kW by connecting onboard directly to 110V
- Use 3.3 kW unit by connecting just that unit to 110V
- Use 3.3 kW unit by connecting just that unit to J1772
- Use 4.6 kW (3.3 + onboard) by connecting to J1772
- Use 6.6 kW by connecting to J1772
- Use 9.9 kW by connecting to 2 J1772 but not plugging onboard
- Use 12.2 kW by connecting to 2 J1772 and plugging in onboard
No need to switch any connectors, just pick and choose which J inlet you want to use.
Thanks for that info. It answers a bit of my question. I'm curious to know if it would work to configure the 6.6 unit to take in two j plugs in case a station only has plugs running at under 20 amps each. Or do these stations not typically go that low?
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The solar powered stations at the local Cabrillo college are set and listed as 3.3 kW max, but out of about 2000 stations 99% of them do over 6 kW. But I refuse to use a Blink station ever again after my experience with them back in 2012. I would say 99% of blink stations either don't work at all, melt your connector at 5 kW and plastic weld their plug to your socket, randomly shut off without warning or work but have a broken screen and you have to start by knowing where to press on the illegible broken glass.
They might be better now but I always use ChargePoint first unless there isn't a ChargePoint available. Also on our Zero bikes, you can walk away, go get lunch, and the ChargePoint app will update every 300 seconds to let you know your charging power and total energy added. You can see the taper charge beginning remotely and time it to arrive back at the bike within a minute of the time it reaches 100%. If there are no ChargePoint stations I use plugshare. I used to use plugshare when I first started and almost every beginner will use plugshare for a couple years first until they see the benefits of the ChargePoint app. You can also use the ChargePoint app to start the station from your phone, and also use the map to see locations with multiple Jplugs and for many who are #DubJay charging will come in handy. Maybe one day plugshare will do this but until then I recommend everyone try the ChargePoint app and see for yourself. Being able to see your charging metrics while eating 1/2 mile away is priceless!!
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I will relate that the first time I did this in the center of King City (I think it was), with SCv1 and an Elcon 2500, a guy in a big pickup truck swung by and shouted "Dude! That is bad ass! What are you doing?" which was pretty satisfying.
And then I tripped a breaker because I forgot to pull my J-plugs from different stands! Common rookie mistake; live and learn.
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In my case, one J inlet is routed to 6.6 kW unit and second inlet is routed to 3.3 kW unit + 110V outlet for onboard. The following options are available to you:
- Use onboard 1.3 kW by connecting onboard directly to 110V
- Use 3.3 kW unit by connecting just that unit to 110V
- Use 3.3 kW unit by connecting just that unit to J1772
- Use 4.6 kW (3.3 + onboard) by connecting to J1772
- Use 6.6 kW by connecting to J1772
- Use 9.9 kW by connecting to 2 J1772 but not plugging onboard
- Use 12.2 kW by connecting to 2 J1772 and plugging in onboard
No need to switch any connectors, just pick and choose which J inlet you want to use.
Nice list!
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yes true nice list indeed! Where are the pictures guys? Come on, I know your phones have cameras. Email your #dubjay pictures to yourself so you can post from your computer if you are having trouble attaching from tapatalk on your phone
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Something I've been wondering for a little bit, how do you activate more than one charger with at least Chargepoint? When I've been charging, I don't see an option to activate another charger. I only see the ability to stop the one I'm currently using.
Do you have more cards and Chargepoint accounts? Or have I just not looked in the right spot to activate multiple chargers?
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Multiple cards :)
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...how do you activate more than one charger with at least Chargepoint? When I've been charging, I don't see an option to activate another charger. I only see the ability to stop the one I'm currently using...
There's a non-obvious way to do this using the Android app only, where you can get past the default to view your progress for an existing session at a location and select a specific sttation - activating additional stations from the app does not stop existing sessions.
The easy way with one ChargePoint card and an app is to activate the first session with the app, and the second session with the card, in that order.
Having multiple cards works well on the occasional station that the app cannot communicate with the stations, or no cellular service for example. There's a small cost per additional card and you can order multiples.
Last resort you can call ChargePoint and ask them to help start the new session.
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When switching between single and double j plugs, do you need to reconfigure the connectors of the chargers, or does it just know what to do no matter how many plugs? For example if you have 6.6 kw Diginow kit, how would it work if you plugged into a single 6.6 kw station and later pulled into a station with two available 3.3 kw plugs?
In my case, one J inlet is routed to 6.6 kW unit and second inlet is routed to 3.3 kW unit + 110V outlet for onboard. The following options are available to you:
- Use onboard 1.3 kW by connecting onboard directly to 110V
- Use 3.3 kW unit by connecting just that unit to 110V
- Use 3.3 kW unit by connecting just that unit to J1772
- Use 4.6 kW (3.3 + onboard) by connecting to J1772
- Use 6.6 kW by connecting to J1772
- Use 9.9 kW by connecting to 2 J1772 but not plugging onboard
- Use 12.2 kW by connecting to 2 J1772 and plugging in onboard
No need to switch any connectors, just pick and choose which J inlet you want to use.
If you plug a 3.3 kW unit into 110V doesn't it cut back to something like 1.8 kW?
With a J1772 to three way adaptor you can also get
- Use 7.9 kW by connecting to J1772 and using J1772 to three way adaptor to plug in onboard
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160912/13f36b694f6eef95e07674a3ef09db8d.jpg)
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w410/TheMrwilsn/IMG_20160901_010344_zpsvlfmr735.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/TheMrwilsn/media/IMG_20160901_010344_zpsvlfmr735.jpg.html)
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...how do you activate more than one charger with at least Chargepoint? When I've been charging, I don't see an option to activate another charger. I only see the ability to stop the one I'm currently using...
There's a non-obvious way to do this using the Android app only, where you can get past the default to view your progress for an existing session at a location and select a specific sttation - activating additional stations from the app does not stop existing sessions.
The easy way with one ChargePoint card and an app is to activate the first session with the app, and the second session with the card, in that order.
Having multiple cards works well on the occasional station that the app cannot communicate with the stations, or no cellular service for example. There's a small cost per additional card and you can order multiples.
Last resort you can call ChargePoint and ask them to help start the new session.
Ah thanks guys for the answers! I'll try this start with the app and then the card once I have my 6.6kW charger and can use onboard and the SCv2. If I have issues then I'll just suck it up and buy an additional card for the whole $5.
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Yes get at least 2 cards. I actually have quite a few as backups as the RFID can quit after a few thousand uses or perhaps rather just vibration, because at any EV event like National Drive Electric Week or Earth Day, ChargePoint will usually have a booth handing out free cards. So for the past years I keep getting more and more backups. But yes I keep one on my keychain and one in my wallet, and use both every time I stop to activate both ports on a single station.
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Just wondering ... has anyone gotton flack from other EV owners for using more than a single plug?
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Just wondering ... has anyone gotton flack from other EV owners for using more than a single plug?
A lady in a Mercedes something-or-other-with-a-tailpipe pulled up while I was getting set up, walked up to me said "Thanks for getting my station ready" and took the second J1772 plug out of my hand.
But... I want to charge... faster! ;D
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A lady in a Mercedes something-or-other-with-a-tailpipe pulled up while I was getting set up, walked up to me said "Thanks for getting my station ready" and took the second J1772 plug out of my hand.
That lady was pretty rude :(
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Just wondering ... has anyone gotton flack from other EV owners for using more than a single plug?
A lady in a Mercedes something-or-other-with-a-tailpipe pulled up while I was getting set up, walked up to me said "Thanks for getting my station ready" and took the second J1772 plug out of my hand.
But... I want to charge... faster! ;D
Whenever someone is that rude to me about parking their car, I like to make a small comment that makes them wonder if their car will be ok without them there.
I mean, I wont ever do anything to anyones vehicle, but I like leaving the doubt in their mind...
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Just wondering ... has anyone gotton flack from other EV owners for using more than a single plug?
A lady in a Mercedes something-or-other-with-a-tailpipe pulled up while I was getting set up, walked up to me said "Thanks for getting my station ready" and took the second J1772 plug out of my hand.
But... I want to charge... faster! ;D
If her car had a tail pipe, why did she take the J1772 plug? Plug in hybrid I guess?
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Just wondering ... has anyone gotton flack from other EV owners for using more than a single plug?
A lady in a Mercedes something-or-other-with-a-tailpipe pulled up while I was getting set up, walked up to me said "Thanks for getting my station ready" and took the second J1772 plug out of my hand.
But... I want to charge... faster! ;D
If it was this model, an 8kWh battery with 3.3kW charger is not worth putting up with:
http://www.plugincars.com/mercedes-s550-plug-hybrid (http://www.plugincars.com/mercedes-s550-plug-hybrid)
There should be a quick way to signal charge priority and to negotiate a handoff in such cases. The Mercedes' 20 miles of electric range is not worth making room for. They did pay a lot for that car, but that's none of your concern if you're paying for that charge.
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There's some debate here, they may only live 15 miles away and charge while there, so they can stay all electric all week long. I know Volt's that have like 100 gas miles out of 50,000. Yes, they deserve the plug, but they also have that backup gen, so they aren't stranded like we can be...it's a difficult call.
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If it was this model, an 8kWh battery with 3.3kW charger is not worth putting up with:
http://www.plugincars.com/mercedes-s550-plug-hybrid (http://www.plugincars.com/mercedes-s550-plug-hybrid)
There should be a quick way to signal charge priority and to negotiate a handoff in such cases. The Mercedes' 20 miles of electric range is not worth making room for. They did pay a lot for that car, but that's none of your concern if you're paying for that charge.
Is that a technical solution for a sense of entitlement? In this case I'm at a casino charging, using their electricity but not spending any money (I don't like casinos and the other stations around that area wouldn't do more than 3kW).
I did get double ICE'd by ADA placard cars, wedged my bike between them and got a 10kW charge in Carson City NV. Also in that event it's a community center where maybe the people driving the cars with ADA placards might actually be part of that community. I'm just passing through. I was glad there is a way for me to physically access the power.
Whose sense of entitlement is it theirs or mine?
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There's some debate here, they may only live 15 miles away and charge while there, so they can stay all electric all week long. I know Volt's that have like 100 gas miles out of 50,000. Yes, they deserve the plug, but they also have that backup gen, so they aren't stranded like we can be...it's a difficult call.
That's a reasonable set of points. I guess what I'd try to do is try to say "I'll plug you in in fifteen minutes after I'm done, that's how fast I'll be". Getting their 20 miles of range back at 3kW will take longer no matter what.
If it was this model, an 8kWh battery with 3.3kW charger is not worth putting up with:
http://www.plugincars.com/mercedes-s550-plug-hybrid (http://www.plugincars.com/mercedes-s550-plug-hybrid)
There should be a quick way to signal charge priority and to negotiate a handoff in such cases. The Mercedes' 20 miles of electric range is not worth making room for. They did pay a lot for that car, but that's none of your concern if you're paying for that charge.
Is that a technical solution for a sense of entitlement? In this case I'm at a casino charging, using their electricity but not spending any money (I don't like casinos and the other stations around that area wouldn't do more than 3kW).
I did get double ICE'd by ADA placard cars, wedged my bike between them and got a 10kW charge in Carson City NV. Also in that event it's a community center where maybe the people driving the cars with ADA placards might actually be part of that community. I'm just passing through. I was glad there is a way for me to physically access the power.
Whose sense of entitlement is it theirs or mine?
Are the EV slots also ADA-dedicated? If so, they're probably legally entitled to it.
It is good if electric motorcycles can bypass ICE-ing but clearly there's some form of entitlement going on here if an ADA-enabled EV car shows up and can't charge because of the ICE vehicles or because of a traveling electric motorcycle.
I'm definitely not interested in trying to technicalize a point of etiquette, just using some basic social protocol to negotiate and help people understand where priorities are best placed without causing an upset or overreaction. I do like using clearly-labeled charging tags on our inlets or the cables with contact info to negotiate. I need to try using these in the field to see whether they help.
Of course, I'm sure Nevada culture is hostile to EVs by default and there's a very big challenge to be good PR for the community in that way.
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There's some debate here, they may only live 15 miles away and charge while there, so they can stay all electric all week long. I know Volt's that have like 100 gas miles out of 50,000. Yes, they deserve the plug, but they also have that backup gen, so they aren't stranded like we can be...it's a difficult call.
My Volt occupies a J-plug on a regular basis. It is badged "electric first" and we try to drive it all-electric as much as possible. But of course I would give way in an instant for someone who is necessity-charging. Unfortunately most of the interactions are with only one party present, so misunderstandings and assumptions compound, since the other party isn't there to discuss with. I *do* put a sign or two on the dash, one warning that the car sounds an alarm if unplugged and promising to be back promptly at end of charge, and another giving clear directions to the 8 stations in the basement of the same garage. (Unfortunately they have to go around the block to get there.) And I do generally charge it overnight, at low demand times, and I do charge it on Level 1 when there's a parking space that lets me do it without blocking a J-plug.
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My three-brick Dub-Jay setup has been very reliable, with the following two caveats:
At a station with extra-high voltage, the diginow draws more watts, I can exceed 1C and get disconnected. Example, the chargepoints by Peet's in Millbrae CA.
If I've been riding hard, and then proceed to charge hard, battery temp can exceed 50C/122F, and it disconnects.
In both cases I fall back to two-brick charging, single J-plug. (That turns out to be a fairly high 7000+ Zero-app-reported watts at the Millbrae stations I mentioned above)
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I think keeping multiple plugs occupied is a matter of etiquette. If i'd be driving around with a hybrid, and went out of my normal route to find a charge point to stay electric, I'd be unpleased to find a single vehicle keeping both (Or three, i just read) charge points occupied. IMHO if you park somewhere and there are 3 points available you can use them untill some other user comes around, no matter what they drive.
If i'm doing a long trip and expect a charger to be available somewhere and another user is using multiple plugs to get going faster, that means i'm not going anywhere faster because I have to wait for the other party to finish charging. The social thing to do is share the EVSE IMHO instead of hogging all outlets.
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I think keeping multiple plugs occupied is a matter of etiquette. If i'd be driving around with a hybrid, and went out of my normal route to find a charge point to stay electric, I'd be unpleased to find a single vehicle keeping both (Or three, i just read) charge points occupied. IMHO if you park somewhere and there are 3 points available you can use them untill some other user comes around, no matter what they drive.
If i'm doing a long trip and expect a charger to be available somewhere and another user is using multiple plugs to get going faster, that means i'm not going anywhere faster because I have to wait for the other party to finish charging. The social thing to do is share the EVSE IMHO instead of hogging all outlets.
Great point Skidz! And very true! If you are DubJay or TripJay charging it is important to wait with the bike for a few reasons. One is if you have a powerful station, heat, or mismatched model year powertank/monolith combo, there are just 3 of the reasons the battery will disconnect (over 1C charge or over 50C temp) and you will need to manually restart the charging session with less power.
But 2nd and most important is to not get anyone upset and posting about the Zero bike owners etiquette. There are webpages and forums and facebook groups dedicated to this: ICEHoles, EVHoles, etc...
If someone comes and needs to charge and there are no other spots, always offer them to park next to you and to plug them in immediately. I often talk to them about their charging needs and will have them open their charge port, and as soon as I am at 80% SOC, usually within 5 minutes of talking to them, I plug them in before I go, even if its a ChargePoint and it's $2 an hour, it's ok with me, and I usually get a notification about an hour later arriving at the next station that I just unplugged and my cost is $1.74 or something right as I'm plugging in the next 2 ChargePoint stations.
Its important that all the Zero owners that are now #DubJay charging do so responsibly. My recommendation is you will charge so fast that you never need to leave your bike anyway. If you have to pee, or leave for any reason, make sure there are other charge plugs available or leave a easily visable note with your phone number on it and your expected return time, with the words "Ok to unplug" on all except the last J plug.
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I think keeping multiple plugs occupied is a matter of etiquette. If i'd be driving around with a hybrid, and went out of my normal route to find a charge point to stay electric, I'd be unpleased to find a single vehicle keeping both (Or three, i just read) charge points occupied. IMHO if you park somewhere and there are 3 points available you can use them untill some other user comes around, no matter what they drive.
If i'm doing a long trip and expect a charger to be available somewhere and another user is using multiple plugs to get going faster, that means i'm not going anywhere faster because I have to wait for the other party to finish charging. The social thing to do is share the EVSE IMHO instead of hogging all outlets.
I made quick and dirty tags for mine, red that says "please dont' unplug" and one green that says "ok to unplug". That way, if someone needs charging, they can just unplug me, and if not, the plug isn't wasted.
*and* I clear the stations for the next occupant more quickly, since i'm charging fast.
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Best way to Dub Jay is when you're using Tesla station ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/9RxqPXV.jpg)
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Best way to Dub Jay is when you're using Tesla station ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/9RxqPXV.jpg)
T to J2?
Nice!
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Best way to Dub Jay is when you're using Tesla station ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/9RxqPXV.jpg)
What adapter do you have?
DigiNow Tesla destination charger adapter split to 2 J-plugs?
I did not know that Tesla destination chargers had that much power.
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What adapter do you have?
DigiNow Tesla destination charger adapter split to 2 J-plugs?
Correct.
I did not know that Tesla destination chargers had that much power.
Tesla destination chargers will go up to 19 kW, so plenty of headroom ;)
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/zmcowners/permalink/1346818368720701/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/zmcowners/permalink/1346818368720701/)
16,000 watt charging with 5 Diginow Superchargers (3 in tank and 2 under the battery with the stock Charger removed) and a Diginow Tesla adapter from a single plug!
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How's the bike handling going past 1C?
What adapter do you have?
DigiNow Tesla destination charger adapter split to 2 J-plugs?
Correct.
I did not know that Tesla destination chargers had that much power.
Tesla destination chargers will go up to 19 kW, so plenty of headroom ;)
22kW even.
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Best way to Dub Jay is when you're using Tesla station ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/9RxqPXV.jpg)
What adapter do you have?
DigiNow Tesla destination charger adapter split to 2 J-plugs?
I did not know that Tesla destination chargers had that much power.
Ah, so you wired your Tesla inlet to a pair of nema 14-50 receptacles, then used a pair of the diginow j-plugs?
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Correcion: Tesla inlet is not physically wired to J guns, I can disconnect them at any time. That's the most versatile setup at the moment.
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> Ah, so you wired your Tesla inlet to a pair of nema 14-50 receptacles, then used a pair of the diginow j-plugs?
No, I guess not.
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Correct. That's the most versatile setup at the moment.
Looks really versatile.
LiveForPhysics, post yours? (He has an A-B switch)
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Correct. That's the most versatile setup at the moment.
Looks really versatile.
LiveForPhysics, post yours? (He has an A-B switch)
what does it switch? does it change what chargers are on what inlets?
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Correct. That's the most versatile setup at the moment.
Looks really versatile.
LiveForPhysics, post yours? (He has an A-B switch)
what does it switch? does it change what chargers are on what inlets?
It switches between types of inlets.
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Now what would be going on over here? ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/9SinJPa.jpg?1)
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I intend to add another J1772 port soon, and join the world of #DubJay charging.
However, my reasons are unfortunately not because I have 9kW of chargers, but because I have found many slow 3 or 3.3kW charging stations. When I add a second J1772 port I can still charge at my usual 6.6kW at such stations by splitting up the chargers.
Obviously it will be nice to be ready for 9kW charging too!
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I intend to add another J1772 port soon, and join the world of #DubJay charging.
However, my reasons are unfortunately not because I have 9kW of chargers, but because I have found many slow 3 or 3.3kW charging stations. When I add a second J1772 port I can still charge at my usual 6.6kW at such stations by splitting up the chargers.
Obviously it will be nice to be ready for 9kW charging too!
If you have tesla stations around, you might consider the tesla inlet, often 19kw from a single station!
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If you have tesla stations around, you might consider the tesla inlet, often 19kw from a single station!
I do not see the Tesla inlet available for building an adaptor -- anyone know of a good source?
Also, it appears here:
https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/kickstarter-offer-adapter-allow-other-evs-use-tesla-ac-charging-equipment (https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/kickstarter-offer-adapter-allow-other-evs-use-tesla-ac-charging-equipment)
and here:
https://www.teslacentral.com/teslas-updated-wall-connector-charger-smarter-and-cheaper (https://www.teslacentral.com/teslas-updated-wall-connector-charger-smarter-and-cheaper)
that the HPWC can deliver 208/240/277VAC - does anyone know how people that are handling Tesla charging on non-Tesla EV are handling up to 277VAC ?
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If you have tesla stations around, you might consider the tesla inlet, often 19kw from a single station!
I do not see the Tesla inlet available for building an adaptor -- anyone know of a good source?
Also, it appears here:
https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/kickstarter-offer-adapter-allow-other-evs-use-tesla-ac-charging-equipment (https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/kickstarter-offer-adapter-allow-other-evs-use-tesla-ac-charging-equipment)
and here:
https://www.teslacentral.com/teslas-updated-wall-connector-charger-smarter-and-cheaper (https://www.teslacentral.com/teslas-updated-wall-connector-charger-smarter-and-cheaper)
that the HPWC can deliver 208/240/277VAC - does anyone know how people that are handling Tesla charging on non-Tesla EV are handling up to 277VAC ?
Hollywood Electrics: Harlan, Maria. I recommend phone, emails tend to get lost unless they are looking specifically for them.
Or ebay e.g. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Female-Tesla-compatible-connector-J1772-UMC-EV-/142414753275 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Female-Tesla-compatible-connector-J1772-UMC-EV-/142414753275)
Signaling circuit is the same as j-plug.
277vac is, what p-to-p or rms? Modern chargers are generally switching smooting rectifiers, can handle a range of voltages, check the specs on yours. Usually we see 208-240vac, but 277vac may be in range. People testing T-inlets on diginow SCv2 have reported success.
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Signaling circuit is the same as j-plug.
That is a very great new!.. in fact that TESLA plug is just a different mechanical connector form interface in fact.....
Doc
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Signaling circuit is the same as j-plug.
That is a very great new!.. in fact that TESLA plug is just a different mechanical connector form interface in fact.....
Doc
At least for Tesla *destination* stations, that's true. Shopping centers, hotels.
Tesla Supercharger stations are a different matter.
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Thanks for the links -- apparently I do not know how to Google.
the 277V I was referring to is: http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=6993.0 (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=6993.0) and also listed on the Tesla page regarding what power the HPWC can deliver.
I do not know if this is a real problem that anyone using Tesla inlet encounters ever, or not.
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I discovered a write-up dated 2013-2014 of dual J1772 charging capability added to a Nissan Leaf:
http://www.upgrademyleaf.com/examples-of-nissan-leaf-charger-upgrade/ (http://www.upgrademyleaf.com/examples-of-nissan-leaf-charger-upgrade/)
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Not sure how relevant Nissan Leaf charging is to Zero motorcycles, but the charger used in that post is discontinued:
"BRUSA Elektronik AG will be retiring the NLG5 line of EV battery charger and phasing out its production by the end of 2017."
and
"While nominal output voltage range of 200…520 VDC guarantees nominal output power the charger can output lover DC voltage (down to 12VDC) with reduced output power."
So I guess it's another emotorworks kind of situation?
"Lover"?
Anyways, the above conflicts with stated specs:
"Output Voltage Range Single Phase 200...520 VDC"
Which is well out of the range Zeros require.
All quotes from http://www.metricmind.com/products/brusa-nlg513-wx/ (http://www.metricmind.com/products/brusa-nlg513-wx/)
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If anyone wants to build Tesla inlets themselves ass DIY, let me know, I will sell you the kit and parts for $100. But emaiul me @ brandon@diginow.it