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Re: SR/F observations and questions
« Reply #90 on: July 10, 2019, 10:41:29 PM »

Those range values do sound bad, though any period of 85mph+ speeds are absolutely going to rip through your battery.  Speed vs. consumption is always a steep curve with EVs.  If it’s not too personal, could you post your weight?  The rider is a significant contributor to the overall mass the bike has to move, so I’m a bit curious.
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Re: SR/F observations and questions
« Reply #91 on: July 10, 2019, 10:44:46 PM »

Yeah...the range reported here is a real bummer.  This has made me re-evaluate the feasibility of owning one of these bikes :(
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Re: SR/F observations and questions
« Reply #92 on: July 10, 2019, 11:01:27 PM »

Yes, 51% on Monday, using much throttle keeping up with the high speed lane traffic. 85+mph at times. The majority between 75 and 85.
Yesterday 40% for the same trip staying (mostly) out of the high speed lane.
Today, same trip saw only 36% used BUT this trip included accident traffic so 15 minutes was at 10ish mph.  Lets say 3 miles that would have been at 65 were at 10 instead.  I was working on keeping in the more reasonable traffic and only passing the idiots cautious drivers doing 55 on the interstate.

I do log all of the economy data on a spreadsheet (i do that for my ICE vehicles too).  I sure which I could get at the actual watts data both on the charge and the ride.
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Re: SR/F observations and questions
« Reply #93 on: July 10, 2019, 11:39:41 PM »

Same trip in nearly identical traffic.  51% used at 85+mph.  40% used at 65+mph.

This doesn't surprise me.  During my demo of the SR/F,  I started 56% and went 30 miles at guessing 40 mph and returned with 22%.  I did a lot of full throttle pulls in there as well.  34% used at 40mph seems to be about on par with what you are getting as well.

The limited range issue is starting to make me wonder about my Zero ownership.  I don't mind it so much on the FX, but certainly makes me wonder about keeping my DSR.
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Re: SR/F observations and questions
« Reply #94 on: July 11, 2019, 02:40:12 AM »

Same trip in nearly identical traffic.  51% used at 85+mph.  40% used at 65+mph.

This doesn't surprise me.  During my demo of the SR/F,  I started 56% and went 30 miles at guessing 40 mph and returned with 22%.  I did a lot of full throttle pulls in there as well.  34% used at 40mph seems to be about on par with what you are getting as well.

The limited range issue is starting to make me wonder about my Zero ownership.  I don't mind it so much on the FX, but certainly makes me wonder about keeping my DSR.

On my 2017 dsr, I  typically get 130+ miles around town averaging 35-40mph. It cost $1.04 to recharge from empty. That's less than 1 cent per mile. A typical ice bike will cost 6-8 times that much just in fuel. My dsr is perfect for my intended use.
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Re: SR/F observations and questions
« Reply #95 on: July 11, 2019, 04:01:19 AM »

Here's a pic without the fly screen. Definately looks better with.
Thanks. I guess it's called a fly screen because that is about the size of it. So it does have it and is the premium model. It's just so mickey-mouse that nobody will even notice it as a screen at all.

Can the seat be raised? I took another look at the bike today and I see the pegs cannot be adjusted. But if the seat can be raised a couple of inches, that will help me with the pegs being up too high.

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Re: SR/F observations and questions
« Reply #96 on: July 11, 2019, 12:42:14 PM »

Zero has both a seat that is almost an inch higher and one that is an inch lower than the standard seat.

AF1racing has the part up on their website

https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=97894&sku=ZM27-08107&description=Zero+MC%27s+Driver+Saddle+Tall+%2D+ZM27%2D08096

I guess it would indeed solve any issues one would have with cramped legs.
 
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Re: SR/F observations and questions
« Reply #97 on: July 11, 2019, 04:34:00 PM »

Zero has both a seat that is almost an inch higher and one that is an inch lower than the standard seat.

AF1racing has the part up on their website

https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=97894&sku=ZM27-08107&description=Zero+MC%27s+Driver+Saddle+Tall+%2D+ZM27%2D08096

I guess it would indeed solve any issues one would have with cramped legs.

I bought one of those seats from AF1 a couple of weeks ago and put it side-by-side with the original on a table and it is indeed about 1 inch taller but I got to say, I did not feel any difference while riding the bike.
One inch is just not enough increase in height to make a noticeable difference (perhaps a minuscule one) but at least it was a move in the right direction.
Now, I didn't change it to alleviate cramped legs, just trying to have the legs less bent while sitting on the bike. I am 6' tall.
I am afraid lowering the pegs would be the only solution but it doesn't bother me too much at this time.
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Re: SR/F observations and questions
« Reply #98 on: July 11, 2019, 07:38:59 PM »

Zero has both a seat that is almost an inch higher and one that is an inch lower than the standard seat.

AF1racing has the part up on their website

https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=97894&sku=ZM27-08107&description=Zero+MC%27s+Driver+Saddle+Tall+%2D+ZM27%2D08096

I guess it would indeed solve any issues one would have with cramped legs.

I bought one of those seats from AF1 a couple of weeks ago and put it side-by-side with the original on a table and it is indeed about 1 inch taller but I got to say, I did not feel any difference while riding the bike.
One inch is just not enough increase in height to make a noticeable difference (perhaps a minuscule one) but at least it was a move in the right direction.
Now, I didn't change it to alleviate cramped legs, just trying to have the legs less bent while sitting on the bike. I am 6' tall.
I am afraid lowering the pegs would be the only solution but it doesn't bother me too much at this time.

There are various generic seat pads available on the market that would also help to raise the seating position a bit. Things such as Air Hawk pads, pads made of memory foam, wooden bead pads and sheepskin covers.  You could also take your seat to an auto upholster and have it recovered over thicker foam.
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Re: SR/F observations and questions
« Reply #99 on: July 11, 2019, 08:26:08 PM »

Tipped my SF/F over in the driveway this morning.  It just rolled off the stand (thought it was flat, but not flat enough).  No damage and I was able to stand it up on my own.  Not thrilled with myself.  Anyone else notice any instability on the stand on the SR/F?

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Re: SR/F observations and questions
« Reply #100 on: July 11, 2019, 08:45:57 PM »

Anyone else notice any instability on the stand on the SR/F?

Steve
Steve, I used a small bungee loop as a parking brake.
Google 6" bungee ball for a pic.
Worked great.  I kept in in my jacket picket.  I assume it is on the side of the road somewhere.  ::)
I am looking at getting another and keeping it in a more secure location because it does exactly solve the problem.

On a side note, since I put the garage door opener on my keyring, I have not needed to park on my slightly inclined driveway.

Edit: it does not take much incline to make the bike think about rolling off the stand.
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Re: SR/F observations and questions
« Reply #101 on: July 11, 2019, 08:49:57 PM »

Tipped my SF/F over in the driveway this morning.  It just rolled off the stand (thought it was flat, but not flat enough).  No damage and I was able to stand it up on my own.  Not thrilled with myself.  Anyone else notice any instability on the stand on the SR/F?

Steve

My dealership warned me about it, and suggested I use hairbands over the front brake/throttle as a makeshift parking brake. It works well.
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Re: SR/F observations and questions
« Reply #102 on: July 11, 2019, 10:24:27 PM »

Tipped my SF/F over in the driveway this morning.  It just rolled off the stand (thought it was flat, but not flat enough).  No damage and I was able to stand it up on my own.  Not thrilled with myself.  Anyone else notice any instability on the stand on the SR/F?

Steve
Was the bike facing down or up the slight incline?

Wondering if the risk is the same regardless of the incline's direction.
One would think that if the bike is pointing up a (slight) hill the chances of it tipping is less than if it is the other way, just because the kick stand can collapse if the bike moves slightly forward and the kick stand does not.
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Re: SR/F observations and questions
« Reply #103 on: July 11, 2019, 10:54:59 PM »

I have been using a Velcro strip around my front brake lever for years to keep my Zero rolling down an incline.  Zero should really come up with a parking brake solution, as many inexpensive automatic scooters use.  ???
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Re: SR/F observations and questions
« Reply #104 on: July 11, 2019, 11:46:25 PM »

Zero sells this: https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_4&products_id=205

I bought one to go with the SR/F I had on order but it works just as well on my EsseEsse9. Only $10 for a slick little doodad.
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