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Energica / Re: Custom Gloves
« on: May 12, 2024, 02:15:54 PM »
Go spend the afternoon at your local motorcycle shop making friends and test driving gloves. Most brands that fit my hand size don't provide enough space for my long fingers. Sizing is rarely standard between models of the same manufacture. Look for gloves that have external stitching for the fingers vs an internal seam should give you a bit more room.

I am a big fan or armored gloves for track or street use. Here are a few of the options I look for when shopping for gloves:
Slider for Palm & Ulna- Normally plastic, they provide a low friction surface to reduce abrasion.
Knuckle guards - I got nailed by a rock kicked up by another rider during a track day, direct hit to the carbon knuckle guard on my Revit gloves. The impact cracked the guard but saved my finger.
Pinky strap - Ties your little finger and your ring finger together. Reduces the chance of hyperextension in a crash.

I have no personal experience with this company but it might be an option.
https://bisontrack.com/collections/gloves


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Energica / Re: Chain Ticking
« on: April 27, 2024, 01:49:57 PM »
Im using did chains and it's in spec as you mentioned, but real close to the front of the plate, like I probably should have pushed the pin thru a bit more so a bit more was sticking out the other side. 

There does not seem to be any published spec (that I could find) on the correct seating depth for a DID master link side plate. The official DID chain tool includes 2 pockets that act as stops when the plate is properly seated.
I normally press plates to a depth similar to the other links in the chain, always verify the links are not bound up due to excesses clamping force. My logic is the other links use the same O/X rings as the master link so the clamping force should match.

This video gives a nice close up shot of a properly pressed master link @ 14:03


The proper flare will depend on the specific chain being used
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0614/8253/3026/files/2022_Flare_Dimensions.pdf?v=1670337654


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Energica / Re: Chain Ticking
« on: April 27, 2024, 01:14:42 PM »
I originally typed this up last week right as the forum went down. Thankfully I always copy my messages before clicking post. 

So my chain, has about 8k on it, was extensively cleaned, and re adjusted (seems to be happening fairly often now) and it has a tick in it.  I can feel it when riding, tick tick tick every time it goes around the front sprocket.

I am aware this is probably a significant wear spot, the chain has a fairly large slop span, it can get tight to the point of barely making minimum clearance of 30 mm to over 50 mm at it's loosest spot when rotating the wheel to look for the loose spot to adjust from.

Thank you for identifying your chain has tight and loose spots and setting the slack at the tightest point. That is something that a lot of people overlook. If you adjust your chain slack at a loose spot this will result in an overly tight chain for a part of it's rotation. A tight chain will put excessive loads on the wheel and motor pinion bearings that may result in their failure.

That being said having a chain that is almost twice as loose for some of it's travel can cause excessive chain slap when accelerating. This slack allows the motor to generate greater pulling force before it is able to transmit that force to the rear wheel. If you punch an object starting with your fist 1" away from it the amount of energy you can exert is minimal, the further away from the object you start the more energy you can generate.
If the force applied to your chain is greater than its tensile strength this may result in a chain failure. A chain can store a lot of energy if all that energy is released in a short period of time (snap) it can do some serious damage.

Sprockets and chains tend to wear together. The chain rollers are in contact with various parts of a sprockets teeth during normal riding. The harder you accelerate the more this load is focused onto the left side of the front sprockets teeth and the right side of the rear sprockets teeth. During constant speed riding the load is focused closer to the root of the teeth. During regen there is a load (less than during acceleration) applied to the opposite face of the teeth. This is why bikes tend to sound different when you run them in reverse.

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Energica / Re: FW version 43
« on: April 12, 2024, 11:41:46 AM »
red light only at top of dash (no regen) are completely random -

Please refer to the "dashboard" section of your owner's manual. Those red lights indicate one of the safety systems is being activated: ABS, eABS or TC

From the manual
The intervention of the eABS
system is indicated by the activation of the red LED
indicators to the right and left of the motor power indicator.
This indicator is also activated by the Traction Control system in
case of loss of grip under acceleration, and by the ABS system in
case of loss of grip under braking.



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Energica / Re: It's finally here!
« on: March 23, 2024, 02:17:30 PM »
(yes it can go a lot faster but the Ribelle does NOT have the brakes the EGO has and coming that fast into turn 1 would be a nasty issue so I gotta play nice, plus I don't want to alter my riding style TOO MUCH between bikes.
Aaron
Upgrading the front brake pads to a more race focused compound will make provide a higher coefficient of friction (more total stopping power), less fade at higher temperatures and a stronger initial bite. The pad compound (Z04) used in the calipers that are part of the corsa kit are also available for the calipers (M50) found on production Energica.
https://www.af1racing.com/br107a48639-brembo-z04-front-brake-pads-br107a48639
In addition replacing the brake fluid to a higher temperature race product will reduce front brake fade.
Brembo LCF600, Castrol SRF and Motul RBF700 all have a much higher boiling point vs the fluid used from the manufacture.


I'll probably run the go pro setup. 
Aaron
I suggest you add a ND filter to whatever setup you decide to run on the bike. ND filters reduce the amount of light available to the sensor. This gives you better control over aperture and frame rate settings. This gives you more control over focus and motion blur.
This is a video shot with a ND32 filter on a DJI action 2 camera.



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Energica / Re: Shock sticking a bit
« on: March 21, 2024, 12:40:56 PM »
Dave moss knows his stuff! Some fresh lube in your oil seals can make all the difference. Also inspect the dust seals, dirt buildup here can cause stiction.

Incorrect clamping forces at the axle can cause fork travel to be non linear, resulting in stiction. Dave has another great video related to this:


It would also be worth confirming the distance each of your fork tubes extend past the top triple tree the same amount.

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Energica / Re: It's finally here!
« on: March 21, 2024, 12:21:07 PM »
Vibrations will only be a issue if the phone you are mounting has a camera with "active" image stabilization. Over time the sensitive motors and sensors used in these systems will be damaged. I had 2 iPhone 7+ replaced under warranty due to this issue.
Apple actually made an official statement regarding this issue https://support.apple.com/en-us/102175.

I suspect the non consistent vibrations coming from the road surface would have a much lower impact vs the constant high frequency vibrations of a ICE bike.
With that said using a vibration damping mount from Quadlock or Rokform won't hurt. Plus they provide a secure connection the RAM X mount does not.

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Energica / Re: Rear View Mirrors
« on: March 14, 2024, 11:44:59 AM »
What's a good mirror slot blocker to fit the Ego?

Are you looking for block off plates for the factory mirror mounting locations?
The EGO mirror bolt holes are 40mm on center. Based on my research this is the same as that used on Honda CBR600RR bikes. These should fit
https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/speedmetal-mirror-block-off-plates-honda?sku_id=1127886

Alternatively you can just use 4x M6 flange head bolts with some plastic washers underneath to protect the paint.

Just make sure the bolts you use are not too long/ If you use the factory length bolts without the mirrors you will damage the carbon fairing/dash support.

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Energica / Re: Eva rear wheel removal/install instructions?
« on: February 04, 2024, 02:49:02 PM »
Sorry to say, but if you need an manual to do such a simple job, you should yourself if you could not better leave it so someone else, who knows what to do.

Although the process of rear wheel removal on Energica bikes is the same as most every other motorcycle with a 2 sided swingarm there are things that will make the process easier.

If you have a Pitbull rear stand I can not recommend their tire wedge accessory enough.
https://www.pit-bull.com/pit-crew-tire-wedge-f0102-000
It makes reinstallation of the rear wheel so much easier. Alternatively a 10" piece or 2x4 cut at a 20-30* angle will provide a similar benefit.

I always remove the rear caliper and speed sensor first, this reduces the chance the wheel will get bound up.
After you remove the axle nut and washer the right side adjuster should be loose enough to pull off by hand. If it is not use a 13mm wrench to back the chain tension adjusters off a few turns.
Tap the axle with a soft mallet, then use the handle side to push the axle the rest of the way through the swingarm slot.
Adjust the Pitbull wedge, block of wood or use your foot to support the wheel.
Pull the axle out of the left side of the swingarm and remove the chain adjuster block.
Roll the wheel forward 1-2" allowing enough chain slack to disengage the chain from the rear sprocket. Lift the chain off the sprocket and rest it on the end of the swingarm (use a rag to protect the finish).
Roll the wheel backwards enough to clear the caliper support bracket. Remove the bracket, this provides enough clearance to slightly pivot the wheel towards the right side of the bike.
Remove the rear wheel. If you try to remove the wheel without doing this the license plate bracket will cause interference.

When it comes to installation use the same pivot procedure by in reverse. Do make sure the sprocket carrier and the wheel spacer on the right side are fully seated, if they are not the wheel will not go back in.
Once the wheel is clear of the license plate bracket reinstall the caliper bracket.
From this point on it is important to keep the wheel perpendicular to the swingarm. There are spacers on the wheel that fit perfectly into the swingarm opening, if the wheel is twisted it will bind up.
Pay special attention to the bolt heads of the rear rotor, if they are in the wrong position or if the wheel is too high or too low they will interfere with the caliper bracket.
You may need to turn the wheel slightly to allow the rotor bolts to clear the caliper bracket. This is where having something to support the wheel in position is important. Trying to support the wheel off the ground by hand and make fine adjustments can quickly lead to frustration.
Roll the wheel forward enough to allow you to reinstall the chain on the rear sprocket. Lift the chain up when you are doing this as it can get pinched between the wheel and chain guard.
Once the chain is back on the sprocket pull the wheel back slightly, reinstall the left side adjuster and verify the wheel is positioned so you can install the axle through the adjuster, swingarm and sprocket carrier.
*If your axle shaft is dry make sure to apply a thin coating of waterproof grease
Gently tap the axle into place. I normally use the palm of my hand for this, a mallet will also work. This should not require much force. If the axle is not sliding freely loosen the left chain adjuster a few turns as it may be binding.
You will need to position the caliper bracket so that it is in line with the wheel and the opening on the right side of the swingarm to allow the axle to pass through.
The tail end of the axle has 2 flats, one of these needs to index with the left chain adjuster before the axle will fully slide through.
Reinstall the right side chain adjuster washer and nut. *If the threads are dry apply some anti seize.
Adjust the chain, torque the axle nut to 70Nm, caliper bolts 25Nm, ABS sensor 8Nm

With a bit of practice you can do a rear wheel swap in ~10 minutes.
 

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Energica / Re: Call me Worthless and Weak but....
« on: January 14, 2024, 05:09:40 AM »
The only thing I can think of is maybe the front holder is too tight and its squeezing the tire, if I get a wider one but then that'd reduce the stability and tightness of holding the bike steady.
anyways

The smooth and soft (powder coat) surface on the front part of the chock is gripping onto the front tire. Brands like Condor solve this by applying a textured finish to the surface, this prevents the tire from gluing it's self to the chock.
As a quick fix just tape a paper towel so it sits between the tire and the chock, should release easily. As a more permanent fix they make adhesive backed tape with a textured surface normally used on outdoor stairs.
If you can secure the chock so it can not move that will also help a ton. If you can't affix it to the ground bolting it to a 2'x3' piece of plywood will give the chock a much larger footprint.

Getting a bike on a rear stand solo is something that gets easier with practice. Always make sure the kickstand is fully extended and the bars are turned to the left as far as they will go. This ensures that if you loose control when lifting or lowering the bike will tend to fall to the left and onto the kickstand. Until you have the technique down I would strongly suggest you have someone support the bike or use a wheel chock.

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Energica / Re: Experia 12v accessory circuit(s) for led pods, heated gear
« on: January 03, 2024, 08:28:10 AM »
Oh nice! That would make my life much easier -- is there any documentation/common knowledge of the current rating (and individual vs shared?) for those?

Pages 101 & 102 will show how to remove the side panel required to get access to the fuse box and the 12v accessory connectors. You should see 2 unused 2 pin connectors labeled
 "aux" and one used to power the USB inside the trunk.

Huh, I wonder if Ego platform bikes have that, I looked into Android Auto devices a while back and was disappointed to see they all run off 12V.

There are no loose connections ready to wire up 12V accessories on the EGO. The best option is to tap into fuse #6 which powers the bikes USB port and heated grips (if installed). Alternatively power can be pulled from fuse #7 if you have a keyed ignition.

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Energica / Re: Chain wear .vs. Powerful Regen
« on: January 02, 2024, 11:18:53 AM »
Modern (quality) motorcycle chains are extremely strong, most are rated at 5-8klbs tensile strength. They are so strong that the Energica used in MotoE ran 520 pitch chains vs the 525 size used on production bikes. A 520 chain is lighter and still had more than enough strength to handle the bikes torque.

Chains on ICE bikes experience the same reverse loading when you release the throttle due to engine breaking. Bikes with smaller pistons (lower displacement or many cylinders) will apply less load to the chain off throttle. Big displacement twins can actually apply enough engine breaking to lock up the rear wheel when you close the throttle or down shift.

Under drive the chain rollers will put load on the left face of the front and rear sprocket teeth. Under regen that load will be supported by the right side faces of the teeth.
Over time this load results in wear on the sprocket teeth and the chain rollers. The left side of the sprocket teeth will experience more wear since they are under load more often and see higher peak loading.
This uneven wear on the sprocket teeth is why the chain noise sounds different when a bike is under regen.



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Energica / Re: Heated Grips
« on: January 02, 2024, 10:54:51 AM »
Has anyone tried to power heated gloves through this j109 plug ?
I wonder if the 12V from the J109 is available without the heated glove option?

J-109a will not output 12V unless it is enabled in software.
Fuse #6 (10A) provides power to both the USB port and the factory heated grips. You can tap into this 12V supply to power 3rd party grips.

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Energica / Re: Heated Grips
« on: December 23, 2023, 10:37:33 AM »
Well, They seemed to work at first but now they reach a high temp of 65F degrees.
I did notice one thing tho, I had my bike charging for an hour and noticed they were heating while the kickstand was down. Yes the manual/physical grip was on but I thought the bike had to be in "go" mode to make them heat? Anyone else have their grips run when charging?
Joe.

I confirm the grips should only be active when the throttle is enabled. When the bike is on but not charging do they still warm up? You might want to double check the wires going into the relay are in the correct locations. Also make sure the harness is plugged into the correct 4 pin connector (labeled J-109a).

When the grips are turned on there should be a icon in the top left of the dash. There are 3 dots below the grip icon indicating what power level is selected, how many of them are solid white?

 

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General Discussion / Re: Leather Problem
« on: December 12, 2023, 11:41:38 AM »
Quote from: Specter
Bleach for the Disinfection aspect?  There are other disinfectants that might work, I'd think, bleach would tear up the leather Id be afraid, even a cup to a gallon is a LOT.

I only suggested bleach as it is a radially available chemical that can kill both bacteria and mold spores. To minimize the chance at damaging the leather try a weaker solution, dry the gloves and if it did not work repeat with a higher concentration. 

Quote from: Specter
What about an Oxygen based bleach?  Might that be milder?  (No not peroxide, that'd be a mess)

I suspect it would work similarly to chlorine based bleach.

Quote from: Specter
I have some of the soap / conditioner I think it is that Dainese sells so Ill probably give them a good workup with that when I get them back from the cleaners just to make sure.

Their kit works great at getting dirt, grime and bug guts off leather gear. I don't think the cleaner is strong enough to kill mold. Also this will do little to kill anything growing on the inner cloth liner.

Quote from: Specter
I have a UV disinfectant unit here, which ill use after to make sure they are disinfected.

Probably not a good idea as UV exposure is really bad for leather. If you go this route make sure you apply conditioner before and after treatment to prevent the leather from drying out.

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