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Author Topic: Elcon TC HK-H 1800W Charger (on Zero Motorcycles 2013+)  (Read 18791 times)

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Re: Elcon TC HK-H 1800W Charger (on Zero Motorcycles 2013+)
« Reply #60 on: March 03, 2021, 12:40:04 AM »

I just tested my new charger today!
Where did you get that case for the charger?

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Re: Elcon TC HK-H 1800W Charger (on Zero Motorcycles 2013+)
« Reply #61 on: March 03, 2021, 01:05:41 AM »

I just tested my new charger today!
Where did you get that case for the charger?

-Don-  Auburn, CA

Great question with an even better answer. I got in a Chicago alley. The Craigslist free section before it existed.

It's a Husky brand tool bag that conveniently holds my charger and cables and bungees on the back seat.


I'll see if I can find a model number or anything on it.
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Re: Elcon TC HK-H 1800W Charger (on Zero Motorcycles 2013+)
« Reply #62 on: March 03, 2021, 01:07:50 AM »

@Staples : I am surprised by the size of your charger. The TC HK-J 3.3 kW is much more compact: http://www.tccharger.com/EN/product/13302.html
Maybe it's an older revision or something, but it matches what is advertised on elcon's website, albeit with a slightly different mounting bracket.
https://www.elconchargers.com/catalog/item/9034090/10295140.htm
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Re: Elcon TC HK-H 1800W Charger (on Zero Motorcycles 2013+)
« Reply #63 on: March 03, 2021, 06:24:13 AM »

The HK-M charger is much more compact: http://www.tccharger.com/EN/product/13303.html

This one might be close to what Zero uses probably.

That one only outputs 23 amps. We used the 32 amp output model with the potential overclock to 40.
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Re: Elcon TC HK-H 1800W Charger (on Zero Motorcycles 2013+)
« Reply #64 on: March 03, 2021, 06:31:08 AM »

Where did you get that case for the charger?
I'll see if I can find a model number or anything on it.

No luck. The tag was cut out and all that was left was the last digit of the UPC. I tried looking on the internet for anything similar and nobody appears to be making tool bags like this.
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Re: Elcon TC HK-H 1800W Charger (on Zero Motorcycles 2013+)
« Reply #65 on: March 03, 2021, 08:41:31 AM »

The HK-M charger is much more compact: http://www.tccharger.com/EN/product/13303.html

This one might be close to what Zero uses probably.

That one only outputs 23 amps. We used the 32 amp output model with the potential overclock to 40.

Aah yes! No wonder this is so compact. For a Zero's voltage this is somewhat of a 2.5kW charger at max. Unless it can be clocked closer to 30A then it could be closer to 3kW.

They do have these which can seemingly do better for their sizes at 46A: http://www.tccharger.com/EN/product/13304.html
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Re: Elcon TC HK-H 1800W Charger (on Zero Motorcycles 2013+)
« Reply #66 on: March 04, 2021, 10:09:20 PM »

I tried going to EV Components website but it times out. Did you have contact with them recently?

Hey, sorry I haven't visited the forums in a few days. To answer your question, I bought through their website. It appears to be running for me as of today. Give it another try? Or does it time out when you try to order? I did also contact them over the winter to ask about the status of my order, and get responses within a day when emailing them directly to the address listed on their site, contact@evcomponents.com.
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Re: Elcon TC HK-H 1800W Charger (on Zero Motorcycles 2013+)
« Reply #67 on: March 13, 2021, 04:12:07 AM »

Thanks, it is working again.  It was down for about a week though!
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Re: Elcon TC HK-H 1800W Charger (on Zero Motorcycles 2013+)
« Reply #68 on: March 13, 2021, 06:17:17 AM »

No luck. The tag was cut out and all that was left was the last digit of the UPC. I tried looking on the internet for anything similar and nobody appears to be making tool bags like this.
Thanks for checking!

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Re: Elcon TC HK-H 1800W Charger (on Zero Motorcycles 2013+)
« Reply #69 on: March 13, 2021, 06:18:03 AM »

Thanks, it is working again.  It was down for about a week though!
Link down again!

I just now checked.

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Re: Elcon TC HK-H 1800W Charger (on Zero Motorcycles 2013+)
« Reply #70 on: March 13, 2021, 02:55:00 PM »

The entire website seems to be malfunctioning.

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Re: Elcon TC HK-H 1800W Charger (on Zero Motorcycles 2013+)
« Reply #71 on: April 16, 2021, 11:08:37 AM »

The entire website seems to be malfunctioning.

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It now works again, if anybody is interested, see here.

That 6.6 KW 4th gen charger looks interesting.

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Re: Elcon TC HK-H 1800W Charger (on Zero Motorcycles 2013+)
« Reply #72 on: April 16, 2021, 08:45:27 PM »

The entire website seems to be malfunctioning.

-Crissa
It now works again, if anybody is interested, see here.

That 6.6 KW 4th gen charger looks interesting.

-Don-  Reno, NV
I was looking at that too, it's a lot more compact than the HK-J model. The 46A limit means it's going to max out at no more than 5.3 kW at Zero's 116 volts, though.

Still, it looks to have roughly the same dimensions as my TSM2500-derived 2.5 kW charge tank, so if it fits under the same plastics it might be a good drop-in replacement. Adding the OBC would get me into 6 kW territory. I've heard that people have been able to fit 2 x TC HK-J 3300W's under there, though, which would be even better. Haven't yet seen an install thread for that, but I'll keep searching the older posts.

Speaking of those HK-J 3.3 kW's, has anyone used the 84V versions that max out at 40A and have an upper voltage limit of 116? 40A x 116v = 4.6 kW, which would be nice.
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Re: Elcon TC HK-H 1800W Charger (on Zero Motorcycles 2013+)
« Reply #73 on: April 16, 2021, 10:36:55 PM »

I was looking at that too, it's a lot more compact than the HK-J model. The 46A limit means it's going to max out at no more than 5.3 kW at Zero's 116 volts, though.

That's what you want it to do. You want the charge current to drop off near the ends. That's why they usually spec charge rates to 85% SOC. They must slow down near the top. If it doesn't, either the battery gets damaged or worse--catches fire or explodes.

4.6 KW sounds like a lot at 99% SOC! Perhaps too much, if anything. I charge at 1.3 KW at above 95% SOC when I start with ~7.9 KW.

Your BMS will not allow that 5.3 KW at the top!

-Don-  Reno, NV

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Re: Elcon TC HK-H 1800W Charger (on Zero Motorcycles 2013+)
« Reply #74 on: April 17, 2021, 12:04:17 AM »

Good to know, but what I was getting at is that it’s a less powerful charger than the 6.6 kW HK-J at the relatively low voltages that Zero’s operate. 5.3 kW at 116 vdc (46A) vs 9.2 kW (80A) on the HK-J 84V, leaving aside whether you would ever actually want to draw that much power from one.
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