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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: pacificcricket on April 07, 2019, 01:43:49 AM
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Folks,
So I see a thread about fender eliminator, but who else is 3D printing stuff for their Zero and what kind ? I will be doing the tank bag replacement within upcoming weeks, will share it then.
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I attempted fender eliminator for the FX, but it needed to be better braced and I never welded up a subframe for it.
https://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=8748.0
I havent given up on it quite yet. Not sure what else to design / print.
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Not sure what else to design / print.
Grips would be pretty straightforward either to design, or there are some already on thingiverse.com. Mine haven't wore out yet, otherwise I'd make some. TPU should work great for that.
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I have an idea for a broken belt emergency fix. I don't know if it can be printed strong enough or needs to be metal.
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I have an idea for a broken belt emergency fix. I don't know if it can be printed strong enough or needs to be metal.
There are some really good engineering-grade materials for extrusion printers, such as Nylon with carbon fiber particles. Then layer orientation can be made to increase the strength. In the end, there are other 3D printer types (epoxy based) that may produce higher strength parts.
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Lost my charge port plug, designed a replacement. Tried to make it fairly close to what original was like (without having a sample in hand). Printed with TPU.
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Lost my charge port plug, designed a replacement. Tried to make it fairly close to what original was like (without having a sample in hand). Printed with TPU.
I don't know what it is about those plugs, but about 50% of the time I forget to plug mine in before riding off. Fortunately, so far, that plastic strap has done its job and I have yet to loose my plug. But I can see how you might need a new one once in a while. ;) Sounds like a good use for 3D printing. :)
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Lost my charge port plug, designed a replacement. Tried to make it fairly close to what original was like (without having a sample in hand). Printed with TPU.
I don't know what it is about those plugs, but about 50% of the time I forget to plug mine in before riding off. Fortunately, so far, that plastic strap has done its job and I have yet to loose my plug. But I can see how you might need a new one once in a while. ;) Sounds like a good use for 3D printing. :)
Yeah, my strap broke a while back, and it was a matter of time before I'd lose the plug :)
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I've been designing parts for waterjet or lasercut fabrication.
My parts are more structural, and have supported: (1) a Corbin trunk made for the Concours 14, (2) a DigiNow charger on each side of the chin of the frame, and (3) J1772 inlets.
I'm working on designs to support fairings using this technique in combination with others. One nice property is that this method gets cheaper when ordering in batches.
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I've started working on replacing the storage bag, but so far having a hard time replicating the geometry exactly. I wonder if there are drawings available for some of that stuff ? Like how did Hollywood Electrics design their carbon fiber setup ? Note that attached image is just a preview from the CAD, it actually doesn't have those sharp angles in the printed model.
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Vendors don't typically share drawings to the public. But you could always put the object in a 3d scanner, or inquire with these actors (Zero, Hollywood Electrics) privately and maybe... try to offer them something for their trouble.
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try to offer them something for their trouble.
I would rather buy a pre-manufactured replacement, but Zero doesn't offer one. So the way I see it, they should offer me something for my trouble :D
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try to offer them something for their trouble.
I would rather buy a pre-manufactured replacement, but Zero doesn't offer one. So the way I see it, they should offer me something for my trouble :D
I strongly support the right to repair and would generally promote OEMs offering technical information like drawings through various means and licenses, but what you’re saying is demonstrably false.
Zero has replacement parts for everything listed. They just don’t publish drawings for them.
What I’m telling you, though, is that idly asking for free stuff on a forum persuades no one, whereas actually engaging in a good faith discussion with a vendor has a much better chance of getting something done. Your attitude is literally the opposite of what might achieve your goal.
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Zero has replacement parts for everything listed. They just don’t publish drawings for them.
Once again... if I can buy a hard storage compartment to fit my 2014 bike from them, I'd like to do that instead of spending time designing my own.
In that case I won't need the drawings. Where do they list them ? I believe they don't.
What I’m telling you, though, is that idly asking for free stuff on a forum persuades no one
Holy cow. You do realize that once I have the thing designed I am going to publish the models so other people can have it FOR FREE ? I think you need to stop talking to me :)
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Zero has replacement parts for everything listed. They just don’t publish drawings for them.
Once again... if I can buy a hard storage compartment to fit my 2014 bike from them, I'd like to do that instead of spending time designing my own.
In that case I won't need the drawings. Where do they list them ? I believe they don't.
What I’m telling you, though, is that idly asking for free stuff on a forum persuades no one
Holy cow. You do realize that once I have the thing designed I am going to publish the models so other people can have it FOR FREE ? I think you need to stop talking to me :)
AF1 Racing literally lists the parts you’ve asked for, and dealerships can all order them. Now, they’re not easy to find, but they’re available. You can just ask Zero’s customer support team to do parts lookups.
You could probably even ask Zero for drawings, and if you negotiate with them, it might even work. But you’re not even trying.
I’m not discounting your efforts. I’m talking about you saying falsehoods about Zero to justify what you’re doing.
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AF1 Racing literally lists the parts you’ve asked for, and dealerships can all order them. Now, they’re not easy to find, but they’re available. You can just ask Zero’s customer support team to do parts lookups.
You could probably even ask Zero for drawings, and if you negotiate with them, it might even work. But you’re not even trying.
I’m not discounting your efforts. I’m talking about you saying falsehoods about Zero to justify what you’re doing.
I actually talked to a local dealer a while back, he couldn't get it for me. I will check AF1 Racing, thank you.
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Yup, they have it... for $350 :D
https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=89218&sku=ZM24-08283-12&description=PAINTED+DS+TANK+TRUNK+ASSEMBLY++-+ORANGE+-+ZM24-08283-12
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Yup, they have it... for $350 :D
https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=89218&sku=ZM24-08283-12&description=PAINTED+DS+TANK+TRUNK+ASSEMBLY++-+ORANGE+-+ZM24-08283-12
Do you want tank plastics to make a scan or copy of? Because there are some on eBay or I even have some old spare DSR plastics. I even have a centerpiece that is separate from the sides because I learned to de-weld the plastics a long time ago.
Originally I thought this was about the bag that went in the bin, anyway.
I’m just trying to figure out your motive and needs. Your dealer probably has used tank plastics you can take off their hands for cheap and have someone run a 3D scan of.
Note that your original plug part is also available for a cheap price.
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I quickly found this for cheap on AF1 (used tank at $35 over a retail of $99). You could try harder with parts search before pronouncing that parts aren’t available.
https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=95885&sku=APU_ZM24-05328-19-181101&description=Used+Tank+Assembly+for+Zero%27s
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Here’s the part page for the inlet plug, which is so inexpensive you should just buy it and take measurements or scan it if you want to print a better version.
https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=89175&sku=ZM45-04864&description=Zero+MC%27s+Charge+Cord+Dust+Rubber+%2D+ZM45%2D04864
I keep an eBay search open for Zero parts from totaled bikes just to have cheap items to examine and have for spares or reverse engineering. The idea that these things are so difficult to find that we have to create 3D models from scratch is confusing to me.
Personally, I’d like to set up a nonprofit group to work with Zero on supporting these bikes past OEM interest. It’s just that there are diplomatic concerns with asking for technical drawings etc. so I haven’t been vocal about it yet.
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Back on topic, I’ve been using waterjet services to make brackets for mounting my chargers on the bike. My current set are a sturdy and good looking version.
3D printing is suitable for certain kinds of work but bracketing is still in a different category.
I’ll be making more brackets soon for a wider variety of roles.
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Do you want tank plastics to make a scan or copy of? Because there are some on eBay or I even have some old spare DSR plastics. I even have a centerpiece that is separate from the sides because I learned to de-weld the plastics a long time ago.
I want a substitute for original semi-rigid bag. Zipper on mine failed, and overall I didn't like the concept. New bikes have the lid, so my thinking was to design something a hinged lid that would be installable into the older bikes. There are no major challenges, but reproducing the curvature turned out to be a hassle. I am getting closer, but still a bit off which will require a few more runs on that template. Once the curvature is worked out, I can actually design the parts which will roughly be
1) edge insert with lower hinged block
2) lid
3) lid hinge block
4) seal
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Here’s the part page for the inlet plug, which is so inexpensive you should just buy it and take measurements or scan it if you want to print a better version.
The plug was more like a fun exercise. It is technically more difficult to print something of that shape than to design it. Here is the model page for it:
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3599516
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Do you want tank plastics to make a scan or copy of? Because there are some on eBay or I even have some old spare DSR plastics. I even have a centerpiece that is separate from the sides because I learned to de-weld the plastics a long time ago.
I want a substitute for original semi-rigid bag. Zipper on mine failed, and overall I didn't like the concept. New bikes have the lid, so my thinking was to design something a hinged lid that would be installable into the older bikes. There are no major challenges, but reproducing the curvature turned out to be a hassle. I am getting closer, but still a bit off which will require a few more runs on that template. Once the curvature is worked out, I can actually design the parts which will roughly be
1) edge insert with lower hinged block
2) lid
3) lid hinge block
4) seal
You're reproducing work that's already been done. Hollywood Electrics already did this using carbon fiber. I have a copy if you want to buy it (since I couldn't make use of it).
Zero also sells the centerpiece for the Charge Tank plastics separately, which might be a good basis for modeling. I believe this is the part number for it, priced at $40:
https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=89334&sku=ZM24-08137&description=TANK+COVER+CHARGETANK+FAIRING+CENTER+-+ZM24-08137
Otherwise, more power to you, I guess. It's too bad Zero doesn't sell the new tank in your bike's color, because that hardware would seem fine to me.
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You're reproducing work that's already been done. Hollywood Electrics already did this using carbon fiber. I have a copy if you want to buy it (since I couldn't make use of it).
That's true, but I'm not going to pay for it being "carbon fiber". If they make a cheaper ABS version, I (and many other people) will buy it.
Zero also sells the centerpiece for the Charge Tank plastics separately, which might be a good basis for modeling. I believe this is the part number for it, priced at $40:
https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=89334&sku=ZM24-08137&description=TANK+COVER+CHARGETANK+FAIRING+CENTER+-+ZM24-08137
Otherwise, more power to you, I guess. It's too bad Zero doesn't sell the new tank in your bike's color, because that hardware would seem fine to me.
Color is not the problem. It says right there in the parts list that the setup doesn't fit into the older bikes, and entire fairing assembly needs to be purchased. Additionally, I oppose buying throw away parts
just to help with the development of these models. That's just wasteful.
Finally, you still seem to miss that this is not only for me. This is for everyone who is in the same boat and carries additional motive of encouraging similar efforts.
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Back on topic, I’ve been using waterjet services to make brackets for mounting my chargers on the bike. My current set are a sturdy and good looking version.
The two chargers shown on your bike . . . What are they and what is your charge rate?
-Don- Reno, NV
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Back on topic, I’ve been using waterjet services to make brackets for mounting my chargers on the bike. My current set are a sturdy and good looking version.
The two chargers shown on your bike . . . What are they and what is your charge rate?
Those are just two DigiNow units of the 2.5 era, so they deliver 6.6kW (or more).
I also own a DigiNow 3-unit pan (self-assembled, and I have it off until my next trip while I troubleshoot something) for a total of 5 units (16.5kW against a 16.3kWh max capacity battery + power tank).
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Those are just two DigiNow units of the 2.5 era, so they deliver 6.6kW (or more).
I also own a DigiNow 3-unit pan (self-assembled, and I have it off until my next trip while I troubleshoot something) for a total of 5 units (16.5kW against a 16.3kWh max capacity battery + power tank).
Thanks for the info. But where can you charge at 16.5 KW? I am thinking about doing something like that with my Zero SR with Power tank. Then I will have no need for that new SR/F! And I will still have a little better range.
What I really want is an electric bike that can easily go between Reno, NV and Auburn, CA with only a short charge at the summit, so I won't get any range anxiety. 99 miles is all, but a lot of uphill!
8 KW should be fine for me as I think that is about all the charge station at Boreal Springs can handle.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Those are just two DigiNow units of the 2.5 era, so they deliver 6.6kW (or more).
I also own a DigiNow 3-unit pan (self-assembled, and I have it off until my next trip while I troubleshoot something) for a total of 5 units (16.5kW against a 16.3kWh max capacity battery + power tank).
Thanks for the info. But where can you charge at 16.5 KW? I am thinking about doing something like that with my Zero SR with Power tank. Then I will have no need for that new SR/F! And I will still have a little better range.
What I really want is an electric bike that can easily go between Reno, NV and Auburn, CA with only a short charge at the summit, so I won't get any range anxiety. 99 miles is all, but a lot of uphill!
8 KW should be fine for me as I think that is about all the charge station at Boreal Springs can handle.
I can charge into 2 or 3 J1772 stations at a time, or 2 NEMA 14-50 plugs.
I'd *prefer* to charge from 1 or 2 Tesla destination chargers, but have been unable to keep my system working reliably enough to achieve that in practice. I have a QCP Tesla plug and a DigiNow Tesla plug (finally, after a year during which my prototype unit was returned for replacement). Neither has met what I'd call a full success yet.
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I can charge into 2 or 3 J1772 stations at a time, or 2 NEMA 14-50 plugs.
I'd *prefer* to charge from 1 or 2 Tesla destination chargers, but have been unable to keep my system working reliably enough to achieve that in practice. I have a QCP Tesla plug and a DigiNow Tesla plug (finally, after a year during which my prototype unit was returned for replacement). Neither has met what I'd call a full success yet.
I have a Tesla Wall Station here as well as in my house in Auburn. I also have a couple of 40 amp Tesla Taps (http://www.umc-j1772.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=50)so I charge the bike along with a couple of Zero Quick chargers without having to run AC cords all over. My Tesla station (I hate to call them, chargers--as they are only the AC supply to the chargers) are good for 48 amps (~11,500 watt capacity) but the Tesla Tap is only good for 40 amps (9,600 watts).
Would Tesla Taps solve your problem? My TeslaTap is the Model Dss-EV-40P-V3. They work well as long as one remembers to wait about a minute before connecting the output to any load after the AC is connected to it's input.
-Don- Reno, NV
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DonTom, a friend of mine in Sacto has a Leaf which works for about 95% of his daily driving (but he only has ICE motos) and he said that when it is time to go to Reno to see his grandkids, the ICE car gets gassed up, the Leaf just doesn't work . I see he's not the only one with a range issue for that trip.
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DonTom, a friend of mine in Sacto has a Leaf which works for about 95% of his daily driving (but he only has ICE motos) and he said that when it is time to go to Reno to see his grandkids, the ICE car gets gassed up, the Leaf just doesn't work . I see he's not the only one with a range issue for that trip.
My Tesla range is accurate even on the freeway at legal speed limits. I could easily go from Reno to Sacramento AND perhaps make it all the way back on a single charge. But ~280 miles would be cutting it close because of the hills and such. My range is supposed to be 310 miles and is fairly accurate in most conditions.
If he doesn't mind waiting there are MANY places to recharge between Sacramento and Reno. Auburn, Colfax, the Shell gas station at Cisco Grove ($3.00 but Boreal is free and just a few more miles--but sometimes the gate is closed--not an issue for E-MC's to go around the gate) and also Truckee as well as Reno.
I would think the leaf should work fine for getting to Reno. I have taken my SR with Power Tank from Auburn to here in Reno, but I did recharge at the summit. But I could have made it one a single charge as I was at around 50% SOC at the summit and it's all downhill from there. 99 miles total, but lots of hills and faster speeds. I also rode it back to Auburn. I took a couple of Zero quick chargers with me, one in each saddlebag with all the required cables.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Pattern is very close now, good enough to make the actual insert.