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Messages - jnef

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Of course they couldn't directly say that, but there aren't too many other ways to take the progression of events.  They claimed that my actual use of their official QuiQ fast chargers at the time was the cause of the issues, because they accused me of using aftermarket chargers.  My participation in these boards was what what lead them to believe that I was using an aftermarket charger rather than theirs.  They stopped supporting me, sent the accusations to my dealer (who seemed to believe them even though I purchased the QuiQs from them!), refused to deal with my defective battery, and stalled until the warranty expired.  All over being public about the SOC issue early in my ownership of the bike.  They read these forums, and there are few enough of us that they know who we are.

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That's what they did to me....  For using their own quiq chargers on my SR, and running into the equivalent issue on the older SR.  Refused to warranty my powertank, and then blocked me from the groups they could.

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And now that you've documented it in a public video, expect them to blacklist you on your warranty and block you on the more public groups...

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Yup.  For the first at least ~4 years, it doesn't seem to matter if they are a bit different.  If you are charging at Zero's charging rates, it will probably never make a difference.  If you are going to charge with three digi's, and the packs are mismatched, and they're getting old, and you have the PT going bad prematurely, and you have the faulty SOC firmware, you may see the PT disconnect.  Even then, if you have all of that go wrong, ...just charge with two.

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Zero uses the powertank sales as a way to sell their older module inventory that would have been noticeable on the FX/FXS bikes.  So, if you purchase at the same time, you may get a PT that is up to a year older than the main pack.  You can infer past evidence of this practice by the fact that the PT capacity may lag FX/FXS capacity in any given model year, despite them being the same modules.

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As far as I have been able to tell, the 'tap method' just changes between the different profiles already loaded into the charger.  If you get a non-zero 96v QuiQ, they come with PbA profiles loaded by default and will almost surely not do what you want.  You need the programmer and profiles to change it. 
The part number that Zero uses is unique, so I've made sure that I always get ones that were originally from Zero to avoid that problem.  They also come with the right connectors, not that they would be difficult to crimp on.  Watch ebay, they come up every so often for a reasonable price; I just sold 3 of mine.

Previous discussions stated that algo '123' was what Zero was previously programming.
http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=2836.0

Most of my charging up until recently has been with the onboard and 1,2,3, or 4 QuiQ.  The more current you can push from outside the bike, the better for the temperature of the pack to not have it cooking on the onboard.

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I think the bigger problem is that you aren’t riding enough to have worn them out already.  :)

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: permanently bypassing onboard charger
« on: February 22, 2019, 05:18:16 AM »
Hey guys, sorry to disappoint, but this is not how to initiate charging. In order to do it safely, even through the aux, you have to communicate with the bike. You also have to obey Zero's rules; I am sure you guys have seen photos of burned down bikes... I just saw someone's system burn down the other day because they were not following the rules.

I was under the impression OP was using a QuiQ external charger.  Rereading, I realize that wasn't clear.

Yes, if the question is about a generic dumb charger, then "everything EC said."  If you're purchasing new hardware, get the diginow.  If you already have the QuiQ, then I stand by my previous comments.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: permanently bypassing onboard charger
« on: February 21, 2019, 11:24:43 PM »
The correct procedure is as described above, but repeated again:
Plug in the external charger(s) to the aux port.
Key on the bike
Wait for charging to start
Turn off and remove key
The bike will power down after the charge completes.  QuiQ will go into red-blinking standby when completed.

There are 2 control pins on the Anderson connector.  They are not CAN, but rather two distinct controls.  Each control pin can control two QuiQ's connected together; therefore the spec that the bike can control four QuiQ.  The MBB can disable/enable the QuiQ via this pin.  If you find that the QuiQ is not leaving red-blinking standby, power everything down and use contact cleaner on the control pins on both sides.  The control is current-sensitive rather than hi-z voltage-sensitive, so any dirt on those pins can make it not work.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Trailering a Zero
« on: February 13, 2019, 12:25:02 AM »
Also note that the weight limit for an 'accessory,' hanging attachment is also generally quite a bit lower than the tongue rating as well.  This is because the weight has a twisting torque to it rather than just straight down-force.  Maybe see if you can replace the hitch and the support structure that it connects to if you want to do this.  Otherwise, yes, you should use an actual trailer.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Brand new 2019 Zero S, charging issue
« on: November 29, 2018, 09:06:00 AM »
While that is a common problem and solution, you should take it back to get it repaired.  Use that trick just as a temporary workaround and be careful.  Mine, and I believe most, will not trip a GFCI. By breaking off the ground pin, you are correct that the GFCI is partially bypassed. Hopefully it would trip if you touched the chassis and completed a ground path...

Or even better — upgrade the onboard charger with a SCv2.5.  :)

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While I really like my Zero, and like what the company stands for, the truth of the matter is --
 * They do not support or engage end-customers directly in a useful manner.
 * Everything regarding support, parts, and warranty has to be proxied through a dealer.
 * You can't get access to the right tools & docs via their channels as an end-user.

However, there is a lot of support through the online Wiki and this forum.  Quite a bit can be done without special access.  Therefore, if I were in your location, I agree with Shadow -- get a recent (2015-) used model that is already out of warranty.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Maximum rated carrying capacity
« on: September 16, 2018, 06:38:54 AM »
Stock suspension settings is for 82kg, so you probably need to adjust it. I’d expect one could change the springs out if you’re normally 2up.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Electric shock from footpegs?
« on: September 09, 2018, 11:01:45 PM »
Just as a point of clarification, electrocution means death caused by electric shock. Since you appear to still be alive, I hope what you experienced was much less severe.

To your point though-  I’m struggling to figure out how you’d feel a strong shock through one peg and not the other, especially with the assumption that you would be wearing boots, pants, and gloves.  The BMS checks for isolation loss at the battery, so loss of isolation pre-controller would be detected reliably.  I’d expect some level of detection on the motor side for an amount of leakage as high as you’re describing, but I don’t know the controller as well as others here.  Did it feel like an AC shock or DC?



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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Riding with kids
« on: August 12, 2018, 12:53:18 AM »
How old/tall?  My daughter has been on the back of my SR since she was 8 and could reach the pegs in the stock configuration even though she is on the shorter side. (Also in San Diego...)

As a side note, I regularly hear CHP dispatches for people calling in when folks see riders with very young passengers...  so be prepared...

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