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A short news report on the radio this morning said that the very well-off town of Tiburon in Marin County, has bought E-bikes for their cops so that they can chase after kids on E-bike exceeding the speed limit on their hiking and biking trails (most of which are paved). This should be fun.    Who will be riding the fastest E-biks?  My money is on the teenagers of very rich parents.

I had some issues with my bike's battery 2 years ago as well, it took a while, but Energica made it right.

The 100%-->98% after standing and some cooling down is totally normal behaviour. The limp mode at 39% is absolutely not normal and sounds like one or more cells reach lower safety limit. Unfortunately I cannot judge battery balance and cell health, but you should really contact the dealer in writing. If you balance the battery multiple times (cycle balancing again when full, apply low amps), maybe you can improve.  I do agree with you that the bikes have too many digital glitches. I think Energica know, but struggle with man power.

The BMW Ce04 aint exactly flawless, after an extensive series of charging errors we had the charge controller replaced in ours...which would be a $4000 item out of war

I find the BMW much more stable unit . I can agree on the back lights - they are plastic that only waits to break but the rest is really hands down for the BMW . you push a buttons and the screens run in front of your eyes . everything works flawlessly . I don't think BMW is charging only to 0.8C . I read somewhere that they make their own batteries. compartment size is better than the zero compartment in the energica . but I don't really care about all that . i am talking about the stability of the system. the flow of the ride . i get msgs all the time about missing FOB key , to release the back brake , at 39% Limp mode , i got in both motorcycles cut offs ( on the ribelle it almost cost me my life the first time ) . So far zero issues with the BMW vs. so many issues with the energica . at least for me with the bikes I had .

I admit I got the BMW brand new and the Energicas came pre owned . 

the Ribelle didn't reach 100% . would stop always at 96% after that 90%, 88% and back 96 . the ss9 gets to 100% but when I want to ride in the morning it starts from 98% . to day i was riding and at 39% i get the limp msg . I wish it was at 3% . 39% limp mode !

I bought ribelle 2023 with 1700 miles . got 3 cut offs . never charged to 100% .

Can you please explain what you mean with 'never charged to 100%'? Did you never charge it to 100% yourself (SOC limit applied) or did the bike stop charging before 100%? If you don't charge to 100% regularly, or before every ride, cells will develop unbalance, resulting in cell voltage warning messages in lower-mid SOC.

Last Friday I have driven my bike home to 1% SOC. Only at 3% SOC I got the cell voltage message and short limp mode (was applying full throttle). My bike has 42.000 km on the odometer.
 

 

The BMW Ce04 aint exactly flawless, after an extensive series of charging errors we had the charge controller replaced in ours...which would be a $4000 item out of warranty. Then it happened again, also replaced under warranty. I note the second unit has a different part number, which seems to be a tacit acknowledgement they had a bad design that needed changing. From just a few interactions with other owners in Aus, it seems there has indeed been a high percentage of charge controller issues.

The BMW will does get noticebly less brisk under 50%, forcibly limits speeds to 110km/h under 30%, and i think its either 50km/h or 60km/h when it hits 15%. It will absolutely suddenly lose speed at those SOCs, scared the shit out of me the first time I found that out (its not in the owners manual)

The BMW does away with the obvious balacing by generally charging at a vastly lower C-rate (less than 0.8C), reserving a portion of the battery capacity (around 5%) and most critically by not display when it is balancing, it does it without telling you. Also AC ONLY charging using your own on-board unit, that only ever sees your battery is much simpler that DCFC.

$ for $ the enegica offers vastly superior performance, specification and range (although I totally agree on the screen and UI, it makes the hand-me-down aprillia screen on the energicas look like toys for poor kiddies). The suspension on the BMW is....adequate. The front brake is awesome, but do not take it on a track day, its only good for a few big stops.

BMW $774.19/kw power - Energica ss9 $587.5/kw power
BMW $2696.63/kwh battery - Energica $2186.0/kwh battery
BMW JJuan vs Energica Brembo
BMW homebrand basics suspension vs Energica Ohlins

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Three other complaints, the lovely bright headlight will be full of condensation for a week after rain, the rear indicators will break off if a pedestrian looks at them too hard (at a $200 replacement cost) and the storage compartment sized exactly to not fit a helmet will jam shut randomly.

the only positive thing in the ordeal is the dealership that was great and wants to help. but what can they do when bike after bike fail? the problem is they are very far from me - like 5 hours drive so no immediate ability to come and get service .

both 43. well maybe I got the lemon ones .

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