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Buy Sell Trade / For sale 2 sets of MSR bar ends
« on: March 22, 2021, 02:49:57 AM »
I have 2 pair of low profile anodized aluminum bar ends for sale. Made by MSR (Malcom Smith Racing). They were installed but are in as new condition. Great for trails or lane splitting because they barely stick out wider than the bars. I don’t think they make them anymore. 1 pair is black and the other is blue. $25 a set shipped free to lower 48 and Paypal only. PM if interested and thanks for looking.

Say10

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So you want to change your handlebars for whatever reason and found a style that you like. I went with Tag Metals McGrath bend which is very close to stock. The Zeros ‘15 and up use a 1 1/8” (center) bar which has 3 holes to index the switches and throttle. You could grind the pins off but it’s not too hard to drill the new bars to accept the pins. Here’s what I did.

Remove the bars. The most difficult thing is that the throttle is held on by 2 T25 tamper resistant torx screws. This is just a torx with a pin in the center. Available these days but not common. Also the throttle has a return spring that is a little tricky to reinstall. Try to loosen the screws just enough to let the pin clear the bar and slide off. If it does come apart I believe there’s instructions on here about reassembling it. This is more about the hole locations with aftermarket bars. These were the measurements from my bike, double check as yours may differ or I could have made a mistake.

You will need to drill 3 holes.

1 on the left for the switchgear 3/16”, 6.5” from the end of the bar.

1 on the right inner for the throttle 3/16”, 7 3/16” from the bar end.

1 more on the right outer for the switches 5/32”, 6” from the bar end.

To determine the angle of the holes, set the bars next to each other and look at the angle of each hole. I was able to use the reflection of the overhead lights to see where to mark the holes. Center punch and drill. Put the bars back on. I will get into more detail about this in my next installment where I will be adding some additional goodies. Lever guards, master cylinder, grips, etc. Hope this was helpful.

Say10


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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Number of Zeros sold in 2018
« on: March 03, 2020, 06:59:42 AM »
I read this in an article about the LiveWire.

According to data from Polk, analysts at BMO Capital Markets say industry leader Zero Motorcycle only sold 750 electric motorcycles in the U.S. in 2018.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fool.com/amp/investing/2019/02/06/harley-davidson-really-misjudged-electric-motorcyl.aspx

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I found these billet pegs on eBay. Made for a 2008-9 Suzuki RMZ450. Similar to the aggressive pegs that Zero sells (Pro Taper for a Suzuki) at a fraction of the price. Around $40. Any pegs made for these years RMZ should fit the FX/FXS and DS/DSR. Here’s pics of them next to stock pegs and a link to eBay.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F163929767071


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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / How to: changing oil on Zero Showa forks
« on: February 24, 2020, 08:42:09 PM »
This is a guide to replacing the fork oil in your Zero motorcycle. With some basic tools you should be able to do this in half a day. The reason I wrote this is that not much info is available about Zero forks but these are Showa units that have been used on several bikes for years. Most of the bikes I have owned were used and old, most had probably never had the fork oil changed EVER! Most manufacturers suggest changing the fork oil every few years so I figured that my bike was already 5 years old and putting on the miles it was time. The forks were on a’15 FX and ‘16 FXS. The FX has longer forks but all models are very similar so the amount of oil should be the only difference. Although the oil that was drained looked pretty clean, especially compared to most forks I’ve ever seen, I think that it was worth doing and the suspension performance has improved. This is simply a guide for changing the oil, if your fork seals are leaking then the bushings are probably worn as well. This is a whole different thing as the forks will need to be disassembled, more special tools, and more oil. Not much harder to do but I didn’t need to go that far. Next time I will describe the full rebuild. I will add links to the tools used. This is all written down from memory so I don’t guarantee that everything is 100% correct but I will try and double check torque values etc. Double check your owners manual which has a torque table as well as a comprehensive suspension setup guide. If I think of anything else I’ll add it later. Feel free to share with the manual. Proceed at your own risk.

Jack up bike with your preferred method so the front wheel is off the ground. I used an MSR Pro stand.

Place a tie down strap around the handlebars up to the ceiling. This should prevent the bike from tipping once the front wheel is removed.
 
Remove the headlight cover, 2 3mm Allen screws. Note: when standing in front of the bike, the screw on your right side has a ground eyelet. Be sure to attach during reassembly.

Remove the brake line/ABS sensor wire clip on the right (facing bike) fork guard 2 phillips screws.
 
Remove lower fork guards or fender, 4 3mm Allen screws.
 
Remove the brake cable clip on the right side of the headlight bracket, 1 3mm Allen screw.
 
Remove 2 bolts from caliper, 8mm Allen bolts. Leave the caliper hanging on the rotor. Loosen fork top caps, 24 mm wrench. Just break them loose. Do this now as it will be much easier with the forks tight in the triple clamps.

Loosen the 2 6mm Allen front axle pinch bolts on the left side.
 
Loosen front axle with a 17mm Allen, then remove.

https://www.cyclegear.com/accessories/motion-pro-hex-axle-tool

Lean the wheel on whichever fork leg you want to do second.
 
Loosen top triple clamp pinch bolt on the either side with a 6mm Allen. Loosen either of the 2 pinch bolts on the lower triple clamp on the same side, 6mm Allen. Hold onto the fork leg and loosen the other pinch bolt. The fork leg will slide down and out.
 
I used a 5 gallon bucket with some rags at the bottom and a few small drain pans to work on the fork legs and keep them upright.

Loosen the adjustment screw on the top of the cover (can’t remember if it’s compression or rebound) all the way out. It should turn by clicking. Record the number of clicks and write it down. Do not force it!

At this time I wiped the leg down as it had lots of brake dust on it and since you’ll be stroking the fork through it’s full range and don’t want debris getting into the seals.
 
Remove the top cap with a 24mm wrench or socket. Be careful the cap is soft aluminum and is easily marred. I recommend a large adjustable wrench and put blue painters tape on the jaws.
 
Slide the upper leg down enough to expose the 2 holes in the sides of the spacer tube.
Now is where some special tools are needed. They can be purchased relatively cheaply or can be made with simple items.

https://traxxion.com/product/fork-spring-compressor-kit/
 
Install the compression tool into the holes. This is where an assistant is very helpful! Push the tool down far enough to expose the bottom of the jam nut below the cap. Have your assistant slide the holding tool or an open ended wrench around the rod holding the spring down.

Hold the cap from below with a 17mm open ended wrench on the 2 flats while loosening the jam nut with a 14mm wrench. Remember that you are looking at this upside down so make sure you are turning the nut the right way! Just loosen the jam nut then unscrew the cap and slide the cap and rod out.
Compress the spring with the tool again while sliding out the holding tool.

Lift out the spacer taking note of the order of assembly.

Hook the top of the spring with a wire hook or curved pick. Slowly raise the spring up out of the fork letting the oil drain into the leg. This is where it can get messy if you’re not careful! Once most of the oil has dripped off the spring, quickly transfer it over one of the small drain pans or a coffee can or whatever. Hanging it above the pan will let the remaining oil run off the spring.
 
Carefully tip the leg draining the oil into your other drain pan. Once you think it’s empty, slowly stroke it through it’s range and pour more oil out. You’ll have to do this a few times. More rags!

Pour fork oil (I used Honda oil SS-8 which is 10 weight?? But designed for use in Showa forks) into a graduated cylinder (I found a sweet one at a science store for a couple bucks) 350cc (cc = ml). I came up with this amount by measuring the oil drained from the leg, spring, etc.

https://www.motosport.com/pro-honda-ss8-10w-suspension-fluid?variant[PHO000Q]=PHO000Q-X001-Y001
 
With the fork compressed, pour the oil into the leg. Stroke the fork up and down slowly a few times.

Another special tool. You have to bleed the air out of the damper rod in the center of the fork. You can grab it carefully with a needle nose pliers or the special tool which is simply a 12” or so rod with threads on the end to capture the rod. It also has to be vented to let the oil out. Slowly stroke the damper rod up and down until it is smooth throughout its travel (6 or so times)The first couple times you will feel air towards the top of the stroke.

https://traxxion.com/product/fork-bleed-tool-fbt10x1/
 
Measure the oil level from the top of the fork tube to the oil while the fork is completely compressed. Should be 135-140mm. Add or remove oil as necessary to obtain the correct level.

https://www.motionpro.com/product/08-0121
 
Wipe down the spring which should be fairly oil free by now. Install the spring and spacer.

While lifting the damper rod all the way up, compress the spring, again with the special tool, and have your assistant slide in the holding tool.

Slide the rod and cap assembly into the fork and thread the cap onto the damper rod. Hold the cap, again with a 17mm wrench and tighten the 14mm jam nut.

Compress the spring and remove the holding tool. Remove the compression tool.

Slide the upper fork leg up until it meets the cap. Turn the cap counter clockwise (loose) until you hear a light click, then tighten by hand. This should ensure the cap doesn’t cross thread as mentioned before it is soft material.
 
Wipe off the leg and stroke it a couple times.
 
Slide the leg back into the triple clamps and snug up one of the bolts. Now set the height by loosening the bolt and raise or lower. Pro tip, use the other side for reference. The top of the fork leg should stick up approximately 10mm above the clamp. Also make sure that the reflector is facing out!

Snug all 3 bolts.
 
Lean the wheel on the leg you just installed.
 
Remove the other leg and repeat the process. This one will take way less time because you just did it and now you’re practically an expert!

Reinstall the axle with a little grease. Be sure the ABS sensor on the right is in place. Tighten the axle to 19 Nm. Tighten the 2 axle pinch bolts to 13 Nm.

Install and tighten the 2 caliper bolts and tighten to 26 Nm.
Spin the wheel to make sure it spins freely and test the brake.

Torque the triple clamp bolts 6 to 23 Nm.
 
Tighten the fork caps. They don’t have to be super tight, you’ll have a feel of how tight they were when loosening them. Turn the adjustment screws in to the desired number of clicks.
 
Put the bodywork back on, don’t forget the ground wire!

Go ride!

Say10


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Buy Sell Trade / For sale, Y cables for DeltaQ Quiq chargers
« on: November 24, 2019, 08:27:58 PM »
For sale

Y cables for connecting 2 DeltaQ Quiq chargers. Tested on my own bikes. Cost from Zero $250!
 
$100 USD each free shipping.
2 available.
PM if interested. Lower 48 states and PayPal only.
Thanks for looking
Say10

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Delta QuiqQ charger programming etc.
« on: October 09, 2019, 07:18:14 AM »
Any Delta charger experts out there? Trying to verify the right program for the Zero. Mine reads 994 when plugged in on the LEDs. This charger works fine. I’m trying to reprogram another 96v that I acquired. Since I don’t have the interface stuff, can I use the “tap” method to alter the program? Though I frequently use 2 Deltas to fast charge, is it possible/advisable to use 3? Someone out there knows what I’m talking about! Any help is appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

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After converting my ‘15 FX to 17” wheels (see post in pics and video section) the kickstand was just a little too long and the bike was likely to tip over. I ordered the medium long kickstand for the FXS. Here is the technique I used to swap it over. This would also work if you were just changing your kickstand for whatever reason. Should only take you about 20 minutes. Enjoy.



1   Jack up bike by whatever you’re preferred method. I used an MSR pro stand.

2   From the right side of bike reach underneath and remove E clip with a flat blade screwdriver.

3   Go to the left side of bike. With the kickstand in the up position (less spring tension) wiggle the kickstand while tapping the
        pivot pin from underneath with a soft faced hammer.

4   Continue to wiggle the kickstand while gripping the pin which should slide out. Mine came out by hand with a rag.

5   Carefully slide kickstand away from frame and unhook springs from frame. The kickstand will still be under some tension
        from both springs, inner and outer.

6   Remove 2 bronze bushings from kickstand and remove allen bolt securing springs to kickstand.

7   Clean and grease bushings. Insert bushings into new kickstand and replace chamfered bolt with springs. My chamfered bolt
        was not very tight and I assume it was being held in from the spring tension. I went to tighten it all the way in but that
        seemed to push the springs out too far. I put blue Loctite on it and threaded it about half way in. I will check this after a few
        rides to ensure it does not fall out!

8   Clean and grease pin. Have the pin and a tapered punch that fits nicely in the hole ready to go. Hook the springs onto the
        frame, grip the kickstand with both hands, put your shoulder into the bike so it won’t tip. While pushing straight down on the
        kickstand, get it   onto the frame and insert the tapered punch. Now raise the kickstand into the up position. Remove punch.
        The hole will be almost aligned. Insert the pin as far as it will go, mine stopped at the frame. With the kickstand still in the up
        position, tap the bottom of   the kickstand pivot area up towards the frame with a dead blow hammer while pushing the
        pin in. This should align the hole and allow the pin to go right in.

9   Go back to the right side of bike, reach underneath and install E clip with needle nose pliers.

10    Check for smooth operation and make sure the magnet in the kickstand triggers the sensor.


I initially tried to use a hook to remove the spring before pulling the pin but found that the springs were under so much tension I almost pulled the bike right off the stand. If you have an assistant this could be a somewhat easier method. Or you could just loosen the bolt that holds the springs and let it fly. I didn’t feel like looking all over the shop floor for an hour trying to find parts. Either way step 8, installation is still a bit of a pain. Hope this helps someone! Say10

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Pics and Vids / 2015 FX Supermoto conversion
« on: January 08, 2019, 06:57:40 AM »
2015 FX with
SR forks and front wheel, rear pulley (eBay)
front brake caliper, f rotor, rear wheel, r rotor (AF1 racing)
Conti Attack dot Supermoto tires
Titanium hardware
2018 FX white side panels (AF1 racing)
Fork guards, fenders, fly screen painted white by me
Axle and footpeg sliders custom made
Weiser Technik Ultra brights turn signals
Tailblazer modulated LED taillight
PIAA Night Tech H3 headlight bulbs
EBC HH semi sintered pads front and rear
MSR bar ends
Zero medium long kickstand (AF1) 

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / FX/FXS Chain kit instructions?
« on: November 08, 2018, 06:16:26 AM »
Are these available and where can I find them?

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After switching my rear pads to EBC FA208HH on my ‘16 FXS, after some miles I noticed that the rear master cylinder level was low. I was going about filling it but it is not easily accessible and quite small on the FXS (FX is even smaller). Spent a while thinking about different methods of trying to fill it, tiny funnel, tiny funnel with a long hose, granny’s thimble, etc. The best solution I came up with was as follows. Found a piece of clear tubing approximately 1/4” I.D. (was a left over battery drain hose left over from the dark ages of ICE machines), cut an 8” long piece. I dipped it into the DOT 4 container, capped it with my finger, removed it, wiped down, stuck it through the bodywork into the reservoir and released my finger. Repeated 4 times or so until the level was at the upper line. Not sure if this will work on the other models but hope it helps.
Say10

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / FX FXS with removable batteries
« on: July 28, 2018, 06:16:42 AM »
Just a quick tip for those running their bikes on one pack. When reinstalling the second pack don’t forget to remove the “dummy” plug! I forgot to do this and was scratching my head wondering why the pack wouldn’t go in all the way! Don’t be like me!

Say10

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Built in garage door remote mod
« on: July 11, 2017, 03:22:33 AM »
I had been carrying my garage door remote in my pocket or bag but I wanted to have it on the bike. I was going to just Velcro it on the bike but weather, losing it, and theft made me rethink that option. I got some small waterproof push buttons on eBay. The plan was to solder some longer wires inside the remote, hide the unit inside the "tank " somewhere and mount the button in the bodywork. Once I removed the left side panel, I realized there is all kinds of room under there. Decided to just mount it under there where I could easily press the button with my gloves on. I used some strong trim adhesive 2 sided tape. Cleaned the surfaces with isopropyl alcohol. Reassembled and working great! Stay tuned for the garage turntable build so I can open the door, ride in, and close door. Then I can spin it 180 degrees and rip right out!

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Brake Pads
« on: May 26, 2017, 03:50:16 AM »
Here are some different pads I found.

EBC FA208R all JJuan rears pic 1&2

EBC FA209HH SR, FXS front pic 3

SBS 674HS, next to EBC209HH SR, FXS front pic 4

EBC FA181HH FX JJuan front next post both pics

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I noticed that the 2017 models seem to have additional rubber "diapers" on each side of the packs. The sides appear to have some different shielding too. Never had a problem with mine but don't often ride in the rain either. Looks able to be retrofitted for those of you who do! Continued improvement on an already awesome product.

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