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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: Flybuddy on June 07, 2021, 11:28:01 PM
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/324457794269?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=324457794269&targetid=1263094003346&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012214&poi=&campaignid=11755693329&mkgroupid=122298872557&rlsatarget=pla-1263094003346&abcId=9300462&merchantid=6296724&gclid=Cj0KCQjwh_eFBhDZARIsALHjIKeg5tGnyJ0-s-YCUsyMS4QocpbR1FmWyVv_M_XW_0Vy3tX6nxWDz88aAo8PEALw_wcB#viTabs_0
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Mine for the Zero is a 913-9600.
This one might be able to be programed for a zero but this one has 3 different cables coming out of it for who knows what, and a short Anderson cable and I can't tell the color (needs to be dark brown) of the Anderson connection.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/324457794269?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=324457794269&targetid=1263094003346&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012214&poi=&campaignid=11755693329&mkgroupid=122298872557&rlsatarget=pla-1263094003346&abcId=9300462&merchantid=6296724&gclid=Cj0KCQjwh_eFBhDZARIsALHjIKeg5tGnyJ0-s-YCUsyMS4QocpbR1FmWyVv_M_XW_0Vy3tX6nxWDz88aAo8PEALw_wcB#viTabs_0 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/324457794269?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=324457794269&targetid=1263094003346&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012214&poi=&campaignid=11755693329&mkgroupid=122298872557&rlsatarget=pla-1263094003346&abcId=9300462&merchantid=6296724&gclid=Cj0KCQjwh_eFBhDZARIsALHjIKeg5tGnyJ0-s-YCUsyMS4QocpbR1FmWyVv_M_XW_0Vy3tX6nxWDz88aAo8PEALw_wcB#viTabs_0)
Will it work for what? I doubt it will work for any Zero. Those are designed for fork lifts and golf carts. See the connector here (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Delta-QuiQ-OnBoard-96V-Battery-Charger-922-9654-Cart-Floor-Scrubber-Lift/232923739157?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160323102634%26meid%3D4561d00e3a6245f092808aca9dc267b8%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D274452743380%26itm%3D232923739157%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1)on that charger.
The later Zero DS and SR's use 913-9600-01.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Will it work for what? I doubt it will work for any Zero. Those are designed for fork lifts and golf carts. See the connector here (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Delta-QuiQ-OnBoard-96V-Battery-Charger-922-9654-Cart-Floor-Scrubber-Lift/232923739157?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160323102634%26meid%3D4561d00e3a6245f092808aca9dc267b8%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D274452743380%26itm%3D232923739157%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1)on that charger.
The later Zero DS and SR's use 913-9600-01.
Here's a link to a 913-9600-01. Connectors might be right but it's set up on the sticker for lead acid.
https://www.100outlets.com/catalog/product/view/_ignore_category/1/id/7100/s/96-volt-golf-cart-battery-charger-delta-q-quiq-96v-9-amp-battery-charger-913-9600-01-green-wire-removed/
-Don- Reno, NV
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Mine is listed as for lead acid as well.
This last one you linked has the wrong connector. Plus it's in China.
This is what you want. From the Zero catalog: Page 20 that connector.
https://www.af1racing.com/ProdImages/st3/zeroaccessorycatalog.pdf
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This is what you want.
Maybe. He never said which year (or model) his Zero is. The older models use a different QC.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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He has a Gen 2 S.
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Won't you need a third signal pin from the Delta Q?
Do all Delta Q's have those?
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Thx for the replies, if I do a DeltaQ, I'll just do a new one from Zero. Looks like the Elcon 3.3 is fairly plug and play with the $25 anderson adapter and not that much more cost if doing the group buy (and you can actually get one). Why is the Delta Q larger and heavier while only putting out 1/3rd the power? Is the Elcon a better way to go?
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Won't you need a third signal pin from the Delta Q?
Do all Delta Q's have those?
To activate the DeltaQ, it takes a 1 CPS signal that comes from the bike on the small pins. But one advantage is that you can use the DeltaQ alone without the OBC as long as the bike is first keyed on to get the signal started. Then the key can be removed, unlike with after market chargers, where the key must stay in to keep the contactor closed, or modified as show here. (https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=8298.30)
You can read more about that 1 CPS signal here. (https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=9075.0)
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Won't you need a third signal pin from the Delta Q?
Do all Delta Q's have those?
To activate the DeltaQ, it takes a 1 CPS signal that comes from the bike on the small pins. But one advantage is that you can use the DeltaQ alone without the OBC as long as the bike is first keyed on to get the signal started. Then the key can be removed, unlike with after market chargers, where the key must stay in to keep the contactor closed, or modified as show here. (https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=8298.30)
You can read more about that 1 CPS signal here. (https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=9075.0)
-Don- Auburn, CA
If you're using the Elcon WITH the OBC can the key be off? For example, plugging into a J1772 while traveling with a splitter adapter.
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If you're using the Elcon WITH the OBC can the key be off? For example, plugging into a J1772 while traveling with a splitter adapter.
Yes, that is no problem at all, to remove the key while to OBC and other chargers are used.
My situation is a little different. J-1772 pilot signal not used in my case, so I adjust my chargers manually to not go over the rating of the charge station. I can charge at 8KW--but not from a 6.6 KW charge station. So I added the switch as shown in my previous message so I can reduce my chargers to 6.6KW by not using the OBC and then take my key out. If you're not going over the charge station rating, you can charge with the key out as long as the OBC is used.
The OBC will close the contactor. So will the key being on. So will my added switch. An external charger without the OBC has no way to close the contactor. If the contactor is open, there is no way to charge.
The DeltaQ's are a bit different with their 1 CPS signal. With it, you can turn the key on for just a second so the contactor closes and then you can remove the key as that 1 CPS signal is used to keep the contactor closed. Any other type of external charger will require the OBC or another method to close the contactor, such as leaving the key on, or use the switch I mentioned in the link in my previous message.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Not using the J-plug pilot signal (like Don does) runs the risk of overloading the station and not properly sharing the load on split-load charging stations. It also is extra work each time you use the chargers.
-Crissa
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Not using the J-plug pilot signal (like Don does) runs the risk of overloading the station and not properly sharing the load on split-load charging stations. It also is extra work each time you use the chargers.
-Crissa
This is absolutely right. Depending on your chargers, this can be annoying. Some will raise or lower available rates based on local grid performance. Some chargepoints or dual cable units will halve available power if someone connects to your unit. Someone did design a charge controller for the elcons that fixes some of this, can't seem to find it right now.
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Not using the J-plug pilot signal (like Don does) runs the risk of overloading the station and not properly sharing the load on split-load charging stations. It also is extra work each time you use the chargers.
-Crissa
The J-1772 stations that split the load are difficult to find these days. At least that has been my experience here in Auburn as well as in Reno and other places I have been to in the last couple of years. The last one I used that did split was at a college campus in Grass Valley, CA three years ago. I do not know if they have been upgraded, I have not been back there.
Every J1772 ChargePoint (the most common J here and in Reno) I have seen lately has two plugs and the screen says "6.6 KW per PLUG". So I often use both plugs to charge my SR at 8KW with no issues. I plan on doing such on the way back to Reno tomorrow, I will recharge at Cisco Grove. I am riding my SR back to Reno in the morning.
And many of the non-ChargePoints I see can do more, such as the J-1772 at Virginia City which is rated at 40 amps or 9.6KW. Ironically, the Tesla Destination charge station right next to it can only do 8KW.
There could be many older J charge stations out there that can only do 3.3 KW or so if both ports are being used. But I think most of them have been upgraded. And I doubt if ANY new J-plug would so such.
BTW, if I do need to reduce the load, it can take less time. It could mean I only set up one external charger instead of two. So far, I have not had to do such, I have been charging at 8KW everywhere lately. But tomorrow, if only one of two ports are available (unlikely), because a car is on the other, I will still charge at 6.6 KW, by not using my OBC. About two seconds work. I have to flick a switch and key on and key off, which is about the same trouble and time saved by not plugging in the OBC.
If both ports are being used (extremely unlikely) I will go to Truckee to recharge. Plenty of places to charge with J-1772 on the way, but even more places have CCS between here and Reno.
But in Reno, that reverses. More J-1772 than CCS, by far.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Someone did design a charge controller for the elcons that fixes some of this, can't seem to find it right now.
Sounds like it's a fix to a problem that no longer exists. At least not anywhere I have charged in the last couple of years.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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The J-1772 stations that split the load are difficult to find these days.
Oops. I charged here last week. New Chargepoint 7kW shared station.
https://www.plugshare.com/location/12100
No, I didn't check in, I was too busy.
-Crissa
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Oops. I charged here last week. New Chargepoint 7kW shared station.
https://www.plugshare.com/location/12100 (https://www.plugshare.com/location/12100)
No, I didn't check in, I was too busy.
-Crissa
You can check in days after if you want. But I see no evidence that station is shared with anything. It's a single port 7KW station by the photos and check-ins. What made you think it is shared?
-Don- Auburn, CA
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What made you think it is shared?
- It has two parking spots.
- It has two cables.
- It tells you on the screen when you get ready to plug in.
-Crissa
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What made you think it is shared?
- It has two parking spots.
- It has two cables.
- It tells you on the screen when you get ready to plug in.
-Crissa
So do most Chargepoints, that are NOT shared. That's how I often charge at 8KW from the same machine that can only do "6.6 KW per port".
-Don- Auburn, CA
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This station specifically says the power is halved if someone else plugs in.
That you regularly violate it has no effect on whether these stations exist or not. They clearly do.
-Crissa
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This station specifically says the power is halved if someone else plugs in.
That you regularly violate it has no effect on whether these stations exist or not. They clearly do.
-Crissa
Impossible to violate. The machine will shut down on an overload. Shared or not.
I didn't say shared power does not exist on j-1772, but I have not seen such for a few years. No doubt there are still some older units out there, but not anywhere I have been to lately, which is quite few.
BTW, right now I am at the Tamarack Casino, "using a "6.3 KW per port" J-plug. The other ChargePoint I used today was "6.6 KW per plug" and used them both to get my 8 KW at Cisco Grove.
-Don- Reno, NV
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The chargepoint station in Elkhorn WI is 6kw shared. It is at the local technical college. Found it via plug share.
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The chargepoint station in Elkhorn WI is 6kw shared. It is at the local technical college. Found it via plug share.
The only shared one I found was also at a collage, this one. (https://www.plugshare.com/location/51056)
The last shared station I have used. And it was shared when I tried to use it. See my check-in there for Oct 27, 2018.
-Don- Reno, NV