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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: June 15, 2018, 08:22:16 AM »
Well, the check came today.  Coincidentally, when I went to get the check at the dealer, they were just loading up the bike.  Destined for Akron, Ohio - for 'recycling'.   I wonder what that really means?

Really, really sad to see my bike go. :'(  Was an old friend, just not right to 'trash it'.  Still wondering if I should have kept it, refused the $5k, and rebuilt the battery pack myself. 

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: June 13, 2018, 08:30:49 AM »
My bike went to the dealer May 11.  I think the dealer submitted the final paperwork May 22, so today is 3 weeks from the paperwork submittal.  I have not heard from them yet.  I saw other posts, 2-3 weeks seems to be the timing.  I'll give them 1 more week and then start bugging them.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: May 12, 2018, 06:38:50 PM »
My bike is also on the way to the landfill.  <Sniff> :'(
33,000 miles.  I'll bet that put me in the top 5% of 2012 riders.
I got alot more choked up than I thought I would.  It's just not right.

Richard, what's your daughter going to do?  Get the cash?  Get a new zero?

Terry, will your 2012 be considered to be "substantially altered" because of all the mods you made to it?

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: May 11, 2018, 06:27:45 AM »
No, I don’t see Lloyd complaining.  Strange to me, as he admitted that he’s got $16,000 in his 2012, and with only 11,000 miles he was “happy with it and had no plans to sell it”, but in the end got $7000 from Zero for it.  That’s pushing $1/mile!!  Ouch.   And you say he's “freakin happy” to fork over another $5800.  Lloyd clearly has money to burn.  Is that a prerequisite for Zero ownership nowadays?

I appreciate the effort you put into the 2017 suggestion.  But even with everything you mention, I would be out $3000** for that specific bike.  (Plus buying a bike sight unseen and having it shipped 2000 miles makes me nervous)   Yes, it’s newer, faster, better, etc, but I don’t assign a lot of value to those things -- I liked my 2012 just fine.   I think this is the key point where we don't see eye to eye.

Regarding your 2013/14 FX "profit" comment, the cheapest I see on cycle trader is $6k--given my $5k cash payout, I’d have to negotiate down to like $4k-$4.5k to cover shipping, taxes, etc to just break even.  That's not realistic.  Plus I really don't want a dirt bike.

Too bad Zero won't take just the batteries and leave me with the bike and $5k, I'd take that in a heartbeat!  I'll keep my eyes open, and maybe someday I'll luck into a deal where I can get something for $5k.   Finally, don’t get me wrong, I think that Zero is being fair, reasonable and responsible.  But for now (you might call it complaining, but I see it as just a fact) I no longer have an electric ride, instead I've got a check/credit that’s not enough to buy an equivalent (or better) replacement.

 


**$8495 list,CT tax $539,dealer fees $1000,shipping $715,increased ins/reg $250,zero coupon -$1500,2012 trade-in -$6080,negotiating -$400 

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: May 09, 2018, 08:11:34 AM »
Did everyone see on Facebook?  Lloyd Reeves got a demo 2017 SR with 400 miles for $3040 out of pocket after trading in his 2012 Zero S!  He is so freakin happy right now!

Umm, Lloyd said he paid $5800 out of pocket (see screenshot below), not sure where you got $3040.  And although I do understand the concept that he's got a much better bike for that $5800 than his 2012 was, I personally would not be "freakin happy" to have to unexpectedly shell out $5800 to be able to continue riding an electric motorcycle.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: May 08, 2018, 06:35:26 AM »
If "substantially damaged" you only get 1/2 KBB.   Do you think our friend Keith's bike will qualify as "substantially damaged"?

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: May 05, 2018, 08:32:50 AM »
Everyone should be able to get something 2016 or newer as it looks like Zero is going above and beyond to really take care of their early adopters with a generous offer

I poked through cycle trader, and nationwide craigslist.  Checked with Colorado's dealerships.   Unless I want a broken down 2011 model I think I'm SOL.
Maybe I'm missing something.  How are you thinking that my $5k cash/$6k dealer credit will enable me to get "something 2016 or newer"?

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: April 30, 2018, 10:29:24 PM »
I hope so, not heard anything in the UK and its 17.20 here on the 30th. I have to assume you will hear before we Brits do. I am eagerly awaiting news.
I assume you must have gotten some contact from Zero after your "Thermal Event".   What information did they have (that you can share)?

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: April 30, 2018, 09:13:50 PM »
Today (Apr 30) is the day that Zero is supposed to be mailing letters to the owners.   Wonder if there's going to be some kind of press release as well?   

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: April 24, 2018, 06:48:24 PM »
Again, for the non-Facebookers, here is an interesting rumor.
"Exceptionally good compensation" - now I've got my hopes up over a few subjective words LOL.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: April 22, 2018, 12:50:01 AM »
Any thoughts on what Zero is going to do with these bikes?
Almost seems unsafe to transport them to the dealer, much less back to California.
Will the dealers have to dismantle them?
Almost seems like they need to send a bomb squad LOL.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: April 21, 2018, 01:39:21 AM »
Yesterday I saw a 2012 for sale on Craigslist in the Bay Area, I emailed the seller informing them of the recall.  He took the advert down right away and replied that he didn't have any idea there was a recall.   He was registered with Zero as the owner.   Zero really should hoof it on getting those notices out.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: April 21, 2018, 01:31:46 AM »
Keith, so sorry to hear about your literally unbelievable experience.  Glad you are OK.  Truly crazy.
Attached is a sample pic from Keith's facebook post for all you non-facebookers.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: April 20, 2018, 01:29:52 AM »
Seems like the press was notified ~Apr 12.  Zero promised to mail offer letters to owners Apr 30.   It seems like a very long time to me, but in the corporate world it's probably not even noticed.  I think I can see the writing on the wall, but until we hear from Zero this is all conjecture.

Chris Langlois from Zero posted on this thread (Reply #4 pg1) on Apr 13.   He has provided an email for 2012 owners with questions.   Keith, I recommend you send them an email listing your concerns.   Maybe they're going to be more flexible and generous than we think.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: April 19, 2018, 06:57:09 AM »
Hi Keith
   You have a right to rant, this situation does suck.

My Volvo V90 is 21 years old 179000 miles cost £30000 new now worth £1000 or so but it is still mint and years off scrapping.No way I would pay the £40000 for a new one.
I think this is similar to if some lady hit your Volvo and totaled it.  Perhaps she was even negligent, driving recklessly, drunk and talking on her mobile.  No question, completely the lady's fault that your Volvo is now unusable.   Even so no one would expect the lady's insurance (or the lady) to buy you a £40000 new Volvo.  No, you would get a check for £1000, and you would be without a Volvo.   A sucky situation.

Not all of us Zero owners can have £14000 toys some of us used them as cheap transport.
I'm with you on this one.  Terry is a bit of a optimistic cheerleader for the e-moto industry.  He's trying to put a positive spin on this, which might work for a 2012 owner that has $$$ and was thinking about buying a new Zero anyway.   But for some of us, that's not an option, which is why I'm sad there is no 'repair' option.   We're going to be left a relatively small check and no motorcycle.

And you're in the UK, I don't know how the NTSHA recall applies there.  Have you sent Chris an email asking about the details on how this recall will affect you?  That might be advisable.

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