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Hard to say. Generally, sellers of Zeros I've noticed want more than buyers are willing to pay. If yours is still under warranty, you can demand higher price. But be prepared for low-ballers. It also depends on whether there are incentives on new bikes in your state. When I was looking to buy a '15 S or SR, there was $1k incentive from Zero (a cash card), Marylabd had $125 per kilowatt battery capacity, and there was a Federal tax credit. With all that, I could buy a brand new S for less than what many folks were trying to sell used. So I used that to negotiate on price and bought an almost new used '15 SR with a 12.5kw battery for the cost of a new S with a smaller 9.5kw battery. Folks in some other states did not have state incentives, so were willing to spend more on a used bike than I was.

Sorry, can't give you a high-confidence number, but I think you will be lucky to get $8k for yours. Check cycletrader asking prices as a guide, thoigh I think they are generally too high for the used bikes. As with all electric vehicles, they tend to depreciate quickly, but Zero I think have been holding their value better than say a Nissan Leaf ...

That's what I suggested they try as well. I don't even know if the charger "stopped working" after having worked a few times for him in Japan or never worked at all. All I know is that it worked the last time I charged it in the US before I shipped in May, and now does not... Hope they did not fully discharge the battery flat to damage it... My emails bounced overnight, so not sure if he got it ... Communication has been a bit challenging and slow due to time difference and I think a bit of a language barrier...

Maybe next time I manage to get in touch I'll direct them to this thread here for troubleshooting directly with the forum members...

Does anyone know if the Zero 2015 built-in charger can operate at 100V, the standard in Japan per Google? The manual says 120V - 220V

Thanks!

Lowe power at really low SoC is *not* a bad thing, it protects the battery. So I think in this case, unless the newer firmware is overly aggressive, it would be a good thing to restrict power. But not limp at 25%, that's too aggressive, IMO ...

Quote from: nevetsyad on May 22, 2017, 06:05:01 PM

Check your logs in the parcer. My bike was dropping to 26% output, when it had 60+ percent free. Showed my voltage dropping to 90-92v when I still had 30-60% SOC. It started doing that after a December/January firmware update to stop it from randomly turning off while riding. Roll the dice and see what the next firmware update brings! If I'm stable now, I'm NEVER updating my firmware again.

And that is why I don't mess with my 2014's original firmware.  I don't have any of these problems, not even a large drop in top speed at 8% SOC. (At least I know it will do 45 mph at 8%. I wasn't willing to try to go any faster being more concerned about getting home than top speed testing with a depleted battery pack.)

The stock charger gets quite warm. I try to always have a desk fan pointed at the bottom of the bike while charging. Drastically reduces the temperature. That of course works only in my garage ...

The charger heats-up the battery near it, which I don't think is good for the battery either. The fan prevents this too.

Actually, I don't know for sure. I think Pikes Peak. Just speculating based on who appears to have bought it on eBay and the little research I did to see if that's for real or someone is scamming me. Looks legit though. I'll ask and if they don't mind me sharing, I will.

3.2V cell voltahe is very low for 65% SoC. Seems either a cell that is weak or the BMS thinks it is, so it is limiting the current to only 199A, which is way too low ...

In this particular case, the differences are very specific. Aside from the warranty, one has to decide for themselves if the new sturdier belt, more heat-resistant motor, and very slightly bigger battery are enough. For some that is enough, for others it will not be enough to offset the cost difference. From the postings here I tend to see similar kinds of issues on the '16 and '17 as we saw on the '15 (and that's not unexpected - they are very similar.

Quote from: Kocho on April 19, 2017, 10:29:51 PM

Or buy a trusted used '15 for a lot less (ahem, I got mine for sale listed here and on eBay)

If this were a ICE I wouldn't hesitate buying a two year old motorcycle. But it's my opinion with something as electronic as a Zero, the latest model would be the best bet. The dealerships can't/don't deal much on these bikes either.