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Richard230

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Musk the destroyer
« on: May 02, 2024, 07:21:14 PM »

So what is up with Musk - again?  The day after California's governor proclaimed that Ford and a couple of other auto brands would now be able to access Tesla Superchargers, news reports are saying that Musk fired his entire Supercharger installation and maintenance department, even the interns that were working in that division. As usual, everyone, including the workers and likely even the governor were blindsided by his action. What a guy!
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Re: Musk the destroyer
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2024, 07:31:25 PM »

You still believe any crap that comes out of the lamestream?
They hate him, and will say anything to discredit / destroy him.  Id do a bit more research before just blindly gobbling down anything they try to feed you.

He did fire the senior staff / VP I think it was for a few of the departments.  He's letting go people from many other departments as well, so it's not just picking on that tiny little group.  I am sure this was not just a knee jerk decision he has made and these lay offs were in the making for a little while here already, but truth / honesty does not sell stories.

So, these 'news reports' you are quoting.  Can you link any of them here so we can check them out or is this more EV Fear Porn?

also, if one were to take a step back and look at a bigger picture,  all you all been doing nothing BUT bitching on how half his chargers are not working correctly.  If that is true, then that means that possibly.. the people in those departments are NOT doing their jobs properly.  A VERY GOOD reason to fire them then wouldn't it be?  Get rid of the low performers, get better performing people in.

At least a few of the W's that are needed to make a good story would be appreciated.

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Re: Musk the destroyer
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2024, 08:50:34 PM »

It is absolutely true. As most of you know Electrek is a big supporter of EV's and give Tesla credit for making them popular and viable. They have very accurate reporting.

https://electrek.co/2024/04/29/tesla-conducting-more-layoffs-including-entire-supercharger-team/

Here is the eye opening outtake from that A-hole:

And while the last layoffs were distasteful enough, continued layoffs have even worse optics, given Tesla’s move to ask shareholders for a $55 billion payout for its CEO just days after firing 14,000 people. That $55 billion could pay for 40 years worth of six-figure salaries for those employees. Quite a large payday for a part-time CEO, made worse by the potential loss of livelihood for more employees who might still be on the chopping block.
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Re: Musk the destroyer
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2024, 08:56:46 PM »

Yeah he definitely did this. Nuked the 500 person SuperCharger team. And yeah it's looking like he's pouting because he wanted $55 billion and they said no, so he's just tearing shit down like an angry manchild.

This is really one of the main reasons Teslas are attractive at all as vehicles, because the SuperCharger network works incredibly well and has large deployments. Without it the company would have nothing. So he appears to be shooting the goose laying the golden eggs.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2024, 08:58:36 PM by MVetter »
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Re: Musk the destroyer
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2024, 10:23:33 PM »

See also: Twitter.
The man's a complete buffoon (check out his actual business history), however, his main talent is being in the news, and being in the news is what makes Tesla a household name.

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Re: Musk the destroyer
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2024, 12:52:57 AM »

But his methods are working though aren't they?

So his bonus is based on performance is it not?  If he made his goal, then why NOT reward him?  He earned it.  It's HIS BUSINESS why can't he make a profit off it?

If he's treating people like shit, then don't work for the man, there are plenty of other companies that would suck up talent like those people allegedly have in a second.  He'll figure that one out. 

He is back and forth one of the if not THE richest man in the world.  Obviously he's doing something right here.

Ford is past it's Model T now, should it keep the Model T for posterity purposes and it's entire team?

The supercharger network, the plan / path is pretty much laid out already, they ARE successful as you mentioned, so does he still need the entire support team.  Does Nasa still need it's  Apollo Team?  Or has it moved on?

500 person supercharger team?  Ok, exactly what did these people do?  Id think it'd take a LOT more people than that to keep an entire nation full of superchargers working properly, and the travel alone would be an enormous expense.  Why not just lease them out to the people who own the property they are on at that point and subcontract the maintenance to someone else?   

Everyone complains how much his cars cost, that is one way to cut those costs.  Maybe he should just pay his people minimum wage, that will cut costs.  Oh but THAT would be unacceptable, only HE should not be paid what they believe they are worth?

Not taking his side here but Ive seen this wealth envy act over and over again, mostly from the have nots of course.  How many jobs has he STILL created and is paying for?  Don't hear that part do we?   Pretty much every other company in the US is laying people off because the economy sucks, but he is not allowed to?

There is more to the story than you are being told, don't just jump on the hysteria express like the lamestream, fakebook and the other communist propoganda fake news outlets want you to do.

Why did you lay these people off?
Why did you pick those departments?
What is the plan moving forward now for the Supercharger network since you DO own it and it DOES need to be maintained?

Maybe since he is letting Ford and Chevy use it now, part of the agreement is that THEY assume maintenance on it now,  in return for no royalties, or something...  you don't know what you don't know about the whole deal.

Has anyone bothered to ask those ?'s yet or just still in the Hate Musk Mode?

Just curious.
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Re: Musk the destroyer
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2024, 02:57:17 AM »

I get all of my news from the print version of the Mercury News, affiliated with the Bay Area News Group (which I have delivered to my home every morning) or from the all-news Bay Area KCBS radio station. If I get any news from the internet (such as YouTube) I would reference it or provide a link to the article.
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Re: Musk the destroyer
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2024, 05:15:28 PM »

Musk didn't earn his wealth, not even close, along with everyone else on Forbes billionaires list. He got lucky and took advantage of other people. He has vastly more money than any one person should ever have and there is absolutely no arguing against that and if he had any morals he would be doing a Bill Gates and donating the majority of it to charity. There is absolutely no justification for him reacting in any way for not getting the $55 billion, it literally does not matter to him at all except it would put him back in the number one spot as the richest person in the world.
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Re: Musk the destroyer
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2024, 07:35:32 PM »

What I would like to know is why did he get rid of the entire SuperCharger division?  Was it just to save money, did he have an axe to grind over some people in the division, or did it just feel good to screw over his employees and potentially the people that need to use the system in the future - like owners of Ford EVs? The guy is apparently really smart, but scary as a businessman and I sure wouldn't want to work for him.

But then I never understood from a financial point of view, why he bought Twitter and then pretty much destroyed it, so that it is now only worth a fraction of the price that he bought it for and only has a fraction of the former number of people using it. (Plus, calling it "X" makes it very awkward for anyone quoting a post from it.)
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Re: Musk the destroyer
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2024, 09:04:46 PM »

What I would like to know is why did he get rid of the entire SuperCharger division?  Was it just to save money, did he have an axe to grind over some people in the division, or did it just feel good to screw over his employees and potentially the people that need to use the system in the future - like owners of Ford EVs? The guy is apparently really smart, but scary as a businessman and I sure wouldn't want to work for him.

But then I never understood from a financial point of view, why he bought Twitter and then pretty much destroyed it, so that it is now only worth a fraction of the price that he bought it for and only has a fraction of the former number of people using it. (Plus, calling it "X" makes it very awkward for anyone quoting a post from it.)

He is nuts.  Sorry Specter.  That's why I refuse to purchase anything he makes, and would never work in any of his ventures (unless my life depended on it :) ).

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Re: Musk the destroyer
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2024, 10:26:16 PM »

Smart business move, I don't know what everyone is complaining about. I bet Tim Cook is about to fire everyone who works on iOS, too. Just think of how much money that would save!
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Re: Musk the destroyer
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2024, 08:49:24 AM »

Watching the have nots complain about the money he has is rather entertaining.  Why should he give it to charity?  Most of them are corrupt anyways.  Bill Gates doing good in the world?  ROFL,  that's another good one!!  Ask them in Africa how good he did them.

It never ceases to amaze me how quickly those with less money, are so quick to tell those with more money how to spend it, how to use it, etc etc. yet very seldom do you see THEM leading by example.  Then again the have nots have always been great at spending other peoples money.

stevenh - never really was into most of his products to begin with TBH.  If you watch them closely over the years as they developed and eventually came out, many of them, the power wall comes to mind, the specs quietly slid, sometimes a LOT from promised, to delivery.  If he is insane or not, well, doesn't really matter if he makes something you need, OR want now does it?  Speaking of, didn't he promise us some sort of solar shingles for our homes?  Those kind of quietly went away too didn't they?

Richard, that IS a good question, what is he thinking of on that move?  Perhaps deals were made and someone else is going to take them over, or he's just putting new people in there.  He just let people go, he didn't dissolve the division.  Maybe he's restructuring it under another branch or something.  With all the billions he has put into it, I can't see him really just abandoning it.  Something is up we are not privvy to yet.  Id like to hear from him, his reasoning before I blindly pass judgement on him for that move.

Most the kids today couldn't give a shit less about morals, ethics, stuff like that, it's blind obedience to their SJW bs.  They do what they are told, and most couldn't have an original thought to save their souls, god forbid one be unique and not conform to what's being said at the cool kids table!!  They'll claim they hate this or that, will buy this, won't buy that, but when asked why, don't have a clue.  Look at the morons protesting at all the colleges as a prime example of the Idocracy at work.  At first they loved him, then they hated him after he told the govt to take a flying leap at their censorship and were giving their next target to hate for the week.

At the end of the day, the world revolves around money, and more and more people are just coin operated.  Elon figured out a way to collect the coins, so good for him.  Note that NOBODY is being forced to buy any of his products, you are GIVING him his money,  he is not stealing it at the threat of imprisonment or violence, like the government does via taxes.  Don't be angry at him for being rich, be mad at the people who made him rich,  that would be YOU and your peers.

Now would be the perfect time to open your own charging network, put your money to work and make YOUR millions, that YOU can then donate to charity as you want him to do.  If ford / gm etc is SO worried about their customers, then why don't THEY invest in CCS stations all over? ??????? instead of trying to piggy back off Elon's hard work and more specifically HIS MONEY?  Hell, 90 percent of GM's money is government bailouts anyways.

The wealth if ignorance is astounding sometimes.

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Re: Musk the destroyer
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2024, 04:59:36 PM »

So, because I'm comparatively poor I'm not allowed to criticise the rich? Musk has an absurd amount of money, the sort of money that no one single person should have and quite frankly if you're trying to justify it then you're an idiot. He could give away or spend a billion dollars every year for the rest of his life and he wouldn't even get through half of it. That's a thousand million, more than 99% of people will ever see in their entire lives (including the extremely hard working ones), per year. He could give it away to charity and it literally would not matter to him, he has so much that money has no meaning to him, take away half of it and he would still have more than anyone could ever need. If you're seriously arguing against that suggestion, that giving that money to people that do actually need it is wrong, then you are quite simply immoral.
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Re: Musk the destroyer
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2024, 07:13:35 PM »

So what is up with Musk - again?  The day after California's governor proclaimed that Ford and a couple of other auto brands would now be able to access Tesla Superchargers, news reports are saying that Musk fired his entire Supercharger installation and maintenance department, even the interns that were working in that division. As usual, everyone, including the workers and likely even the governor were blindsided by his action. What a guy!

Fired entire as I put in bold is hard to believe.  Spin off that?

What is destroyed is the concept that stocks are suposed to pay dividends.  If the top executives or whatever label you want get paid so much no dividend paid.

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Re: Musk the destroyer
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2024, 07:45:56 PM »

I continue to find the timing of the SuperCharger staff firing interesting.  Just a day or two after the Governor was shown on TV, driving a Tesla up to a SuperCharging station, where he announced that other brands of EVs would be allowed to use the SuperCharger network. It sure seems like some sort of political gotcha to Newsom by Musk - with the employees taking the real impact of that little pout.  (Or so it seems to me.)
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