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Author Topic: Unofficial Manual updates based on Zero's SRF  (Read 8982 times)

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Re: Unofficial Manual updates based on Zero's SRF
« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2019, 06:30:56 AM »

Sounds like a lot of things that could go wrong.  Hopefully not, but you know how it is.  ::) Plus, the Zero dealers's service technicians are going to have a lot to learn about repairing the SR/F if it is needed.  I hope Zero has improved their service communication system to all of their dealers, compared with what it has been in the past.  ???
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« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2019, 06:33:43 AM »

There will probably be some teething issues, but honestly the bike seems easier to diagnose roadside which should make owners less nervous.

And I suspect Zero took pains to make this bike easier to perform fault isolation on. A lot of post-presentation comments shared at the San Jose unveiling centered around serviceability in various ways, like a replaceable motor encoder.
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Re: Unofficial Manual updates based on Zero's SRF
« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2019, 11:40:59 AM »

  and the battery can handle 1200 amps.
Still a 116.5 volt battery?

116.5 volts times 1200 amps=139,800 watts?

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Re: Unofficial Manual updates based on Zero's SRF
« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2019, 12:33:55 PM »

The power pack configuration is the same as on current models. The cables are intentionally shorter between the battery, controller, and chargers.
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« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2019, 01:54:02 AM »

Minor notes about the owner's manual introduction:
- "Cypher III" is referenced exactly once in the owner's manual in the introduction, with no further references. This makes it hard to understand what it really refers to, so I doubt service requests will pick up the term.
- The 3kW charging units are referred to as Rapid Charge Modules (RCMs) in the introduction, and nowhere else.
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Re: Unofficial Manual updates based on Zero's SRF
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2019, 12:08:12 PM »

Minor notes about the owner's manual introduction:
- "Cypher III" is referenced exactly once in the owner's manual in the introduction, with no further references. This makes it hard to understand what it really refers to, so I doubt service requests will pick up the term.
- The 3kW charging units are referred to as Rapid Charge Modules (RCMs) in the introduction, and nowhere else.

"Cypher III" is evidently a bad name, as if a meaningless attempt to sound cool using an inapplicable crypto term. It is too embarrassing to refer to repeatedly. The only worse name Zero marketing (presumably) came up with is "SR/F" because it's diametrically wrong, although by now everyone's starting to get used to it.
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« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2019, 07:45:44 PM »

I bet the term "Cyber III" came from a well-paid consultant. Probably one that looks like a small dog and wags its tail when making money or screwing over a customer.  ;D
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« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2019, 06:12:57 AM »

I have been able to physically confirm some measurements on an SR/F:
- The drive belt width is 20mm.
- The primary frame tubes' outer diameter is 29mm.
- The secondary frame tubes' outer diameter is 20mm.
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« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2019, 05:55:11 AM »

Having chatted with a few engineers and seen this photo from Zero for their Pikes Peak preparation, I think it’s clear that the MBB, OBD port, and DC-DC converter are all accessible under the tank.



The tank does have air ducts at the frame shoulder area which direct air past the charger modules. Hopefully the shielding for the bike’s systems is solid to keep reliability up, but it’ll definitely be the case that these parts will be easier to service and replace.

The OBD port may be accessible without removing the tank by unscrewing an already noticed small panel covering it. One might use the USB power in the tank to power a data collecting computer that plugs right into the OBD port.
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« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2019, 05:57:09 AM »

I will note that the Anderson brown connectors depicted in that Instagram photo have been described as for race preparation only and I have no confirmed production connector junctions.
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« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2019, 07:55:58 AM »

Reading through the owners manual for the third time while patiently waiting for the SR/F to arrive, I have noticed two small things that I am not sure was mentioned here

1) The turn signals are auto canceling.  Nice feature for those of us whose memory is not like it used to be when they were younger.

2) The keys are chip keys.  This may be a pain for some who have a tendency to lose keys but it may save a little on insurance and help with theft.
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« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2019, 09:27:26 AM »

Does the SR/F come with enough slack in the various cables to allow bar risers?
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« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2019, 10:02:17 PM »

Does the SR/F come with enough slack in the various cables to allow bar risers?

Yes.
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« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2019, 10:04:45 PM »

Reading through the owners manual for the third time while patiently waiting for the SR/F to arrive, I have noticed two small things that I am not sure was mentioned here

1) The turn signals are auto canceling.  Nice feature for those of us whose memory is not like it used to be when they were younger.

2) The keys are chip keys.  This may be a pain for some who have a tendency to lose keys but it may save a little on insurance and help with theft.

Both are correct, and I neglected to highlight them.

The auto canceling feature seems to come from the new Bosch system.

The owner’s manual says that buying an SR/F provides a master key and two regular keys, and that any duplicates require the master key, so keep it really really safe.
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« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2019, 03:50:57 AM »

Reading through the owners manual for the third time while patiently waiting for the SR/F to arrive, I have noticed two small things that I am not sure was mentioned here

1) The turn signals are auto canceling.  Nice feature for those of us whose memory is not like it used to be when they were younger.

2) The keys are chip keys.  This may be a pain for some who have a tendency to lose keys but it may save a little on insurance and help with theft.

That business with the chipped key is what BMW uses when you don't invest in their option for a keyless key fob system.  Either key must be ordered from the factory, where they are programmed for your bike, at considerable cost and travel time.  So be sure to have that key embedded into your rear end so that you won't loose it.   ;)

Both are correct, and I neglected to highlight them.

The auto canceling feature seems to come from the new Bosch system.

The owner’s manual says that buying an SR/F provides a master key and two regular keys, and that any duplicates require the master key, so keep it really really safe.
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