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[Gilly]

Hi Mostly Bonkers,

Apologies I used the incorrect user name in my perevious post!

Thanks

[Demoni]

While I was riding my Zero today, I saw a very green Eva in the wild.  The rider was turning right from Linda Mar Blvd. on two northbound Highway 1 in Pacifica, CA.  The time was exactly 11 am PDT.

HAHA small world, that was me. You were on an Zero S turning left onto LMB from HW1 right?

[Richard230]

While I was riding my Zero today, I saw a very green Eva in the wild.  The rider was turning right from Linda Mar Blvd. on two northbound Highway 1 in Pacifica, CA.  The time was exactly 11 am PDT.

HAHA small world, that was me. You were on an Zero S turning left onto LMB from HW1 right?

Right.   

[nevetsyad]

Anyone have a real world range on the Ego at cruising speed? 65 or 70MPH? I'll take Ego data even...about to buy one and want to make sure it can actually make the ride home - 250 miles, in one day. Don't want to stop every 50 miles to charge...a Zero DSR could do much better.

[dennis-NL]

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I have the Power Tank on my SR so combined have 15.8 kW. But the actual amount available is just over 10.5kW on my SR.
......

I think something got wrong here.
I have a Zero DS 2013 with a 12.5kW battery:  my usable is 11.4kW.

Very precise because I ride every day 75-110km highway and very often come almost empty at destination and 3 times walked... (drive between 110-140km/h....    )
Most recently 'max filled' but not empty yet: 10.814kW (showing 5% SOC, but we all know -5% can be empty and +5% can be empty -> always stay above 10% SOC of Zero App).


Oplaadstation id ! Connector ! Startdatum ! Stopdatum ! Volume ! kWh

EVB-P1402495 ! B1420050 ! 20-08-2018 ! 06:28:55                                      !  5199  ! 5.199
EVB-P1402495 ! B1420050 ! 13-07-2018 ! 06:45:07 ! 13-07-2018 ! 14:29:43 !  9504  ! 9.504
EVB-P1402495 ! B1420050 ! 12-07-2018 ! 06:53:33 ! 12-07-2018 ! 12:51:24 !  7202  ! 7.202
EVB-P1402495 ! B1420050 ! 11-07-2018 ! 06:37:17 ! 11-07-2018 ! 15:32:49 !  9429  ! 9.429
EVB-P1402495 ! B1420050 ! 10-07-2018 ! 06:34:29 ! 10-07-2018 ! 16:30:52 !  9576  ! 9.576
EVB-P1402495 ! B1420050 ! 09-07-2018 ! 06:31:53 ! 09-07-2018 ! 15:36:28 !  9329  ! 9.329
EVB-P1402495 ! B1420050 ! 06-07-2018 ! 06:30:22 ! 06-07-2018 ! 16:11:28 !  9834  ! 9.834
EVB-P1402495 ! B1420050 ! 05-07-2018 ! 06:37:04 ! 05-07-2018 ! 12:33:41 !  7308  ! 7.308
EVB-P1402495 ! B1420050 ! 04-07-2018 ! 06:41:57 ! 04-07-2018 ! 15:53:48 ! 10577 ! 10.577
EVB-P1402495 ! B1420050 ! 03-07-2018 ! 07:33:24 ! 03-07-2018 ! 16:24:06 ! 10814 ! 10.814

[Zer0G]

On one hand the precision of the throttle would allow for coasting but I am not sure you will do much with the Eva. I think when you reach the point on the throttle you consider coasting I think the bike will slow down a lot more due to the drag of the drive train and the weight of the bike compared to coasting with a Zero.

That's interesting. I'll bet that regarding range differences, the battery capacities really are equivalent, and the Energica just has some combination of powertrain losses and accessibility of coasting that limits the range a rider can get.


Oh, I guess I can think of another factor: IGBT vs MOSFET losses in the controller, since IGBTs are required for powertrains operating at 350-400V. So, while the high voltage powertrain is much more robust at lower charge states, the IGBTs are more taxing across the range.

Mainly this is due to the larger front area, it is a bigger bike at the end. The powertrain is quite efficient even with IGBT.

[BrianTRice@gmail.com]

On one hand the precision of the throttle would allow for coasting but I am not sure you will do much with the Eva. I think when you reach the point on the throttle you consider coasting I think the bike will slow down a lot more due to the drag of the drive train and the weight of the bike compared to coasting with a Zero.

That's interesting. I'll bet that regarding range differences, the battery capacities really are equivalent, and the Energica just has some combination of powertrain losses and accessibility of coasting that limits the range a rider can get.


Oh, I guess I can think of another factor: IGBT vs MOSFET losses in the controller, since IGBTs are required for powertrains operating at 350-400V. So, while the high voltage powertrain is much more robust at lower charge states, the IGBTs are more taxing across the range.

Mainly this is due to the larger front area, it is a bigger bike at the end. The powertrain is quite efficient even with IGBT.

From what I’m hearing by owners, the lower experienced range has to do with how the bike is ridden, and not as much about the powertrain. As in, it has some slightly higher losses, but throttle and regen manipulation account for the majority of the difference.

Do you have any way to back up your claim? I had a hypothesis but you replied with certainty that I can’t just accept at face value.