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Energica / Re: 2020 platform?
« on: June 14, 2019, 11:14:28 PM »
He is definitely giving away a number of hints as to what they are working on... and it sounds like early next year as a release date.
Well, you could wait or try to get one of the remaining 2018 inventory bikes they seem to still be having (Eva/Ego) at a good price:
https://www.energicamotorusa.com/special-promotions/

I am sure you can get it for less than that if the announcement of the next generation is imminent...

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I am reading a lot here on the chargers dying on seemingly all zero models.
Does anyone know it the SR/F is using the same chargers or if they switched supplier or at least the model?

I am not really looking forward to having to replace them during my ownership...

Also, is the problem really that prevalent or is it just another thing blown out of proportion on the interwebs?

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I’ll head up to my dealer tomorrow (Hollywood Electric) and see if I can get this cleared up.
It would be madness if the two chargers were not capable of supporting our prevalent charging infrastructure here in California - for cryin’ out... the bike is built here! ;D

I’ll report back.

I just got back from the dealer - and they confirmed that in the US (EU/Mennekes operates differently) the standard J-1772 chargers mostly operate on 7kW (only rarely more) and the SR/F premium can indeed charge with the full 6.6kW. So all is good here in the US for prospect Premium owners :-)

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I feel this certainly requires a solid and firm answer; too much speculation whether a US model premium can or can not charge at 6.6kW at the public J stations. I’ll head up to my dealer tomorrow (Hollywood Electric) and see if I can get this cleared up.
It would be madness if the two chargers were not capable of supporting our prevalent charging infrastructure here in California - for cryin’ out... the bike is built here! ;D

I’ll report back.

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On the charging... I am in the US (Los Angeles) where charging options are everywhere. What I am not sure of is this:
On a J charger here I should pretty much always get 6.6kW on a premium SR/F but only 3kW on the Eva.
If I were to add the charge tank to the zero, I can get 12kW, but only if I plug it into a second charger?!? The Chargers don’t go above 6.6 so how can I take advantage of the 12kW?

Now on the Eva, I just find myself one of the many CCS chargers around here and be happy, right? But... they are expensive round here, just sayin’...

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Energica / Re: Would you buy a new 2017 Eva?
« on: May 27, 2019, 05:48:21 AM »
Thank you, the charging point you make is really key... I live in the Los Angeles area so fast charging is plentiful.

I still have one question though - if I add the charge tank to the sr/f, do I need to plug the bike into two chargers or just one and hope that has 12kW? As far as I know most J chargers only support 6.6kW.

No matter what though, the Eva will still charge faster...

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Thank you all for chiming in, those are all good points... as of this moment I am still on the fence... let’s face it, this will be my first electric bike, not the last so either way I will make the right call for the moment in time :-)
I’ll see what deal I can get on the Eva and if that will be enough to cope with the heaviness and battery situation I‘ll go for it. Those are really the min points. If you are a zero owner and never rode an Energica, try it - the real and perceived weight difference is significant.

I have good dealers for both brands close by, so that’s not an issue.
I’ll keep y’all posted.

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I just posted this in the Energica section but I figured this might be interesting here as well:

I have an interesting problem.... I have a Zero SR/F on order but my local Energica dealer also has a new 2017 Eva in stock, at the 2018 MSRP of 18K.
My worry would be that the battery is now 2 1/2 years old and has likely just been sitting on low charge. Is it possible to check the state of the battery and is my worry justified?

I test drove both bikes and I like the "lightness" of the SR/F compared to the top-heavy Eva. In terms of power I don't think there is much difference and unlike what I expected I think the SR/F goes a bit faster of the line since the Eva (2017=80kW) seems to have a very soft throttle coming of a stand-still. Which makes sense if you factor in the 100lbs less on the Zero. But my point being - the power difference does not feed into my decision making as it is too close to call. However the test rides are 4 weeks apart now so my memory might trick me here.

What the SR/F has going for it is probably a longer range, especially with the extra battery that I was planning to add when it comes out in fall. The Eva of course has DC charging which is plenty available around here.

The Eva was also very stiffly set up, but I assume the fully adjustable suspension can take care of that.

I do like the SR/F's look better - less is more and I think they hit the nail on the head with avoiding complexity; i.e. the Eva with liquid cooling, reduction gearbox etc just seems to have a lot more complexity to it - visually as well as technically... does it matter? not sure

What would you do????

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Energica / Would you buy a new 2017 Eva?
« on: May 25, 2019, 04:33:07 AM »
I have an interesting problem.... I have a Zero SR/F on order but my local Energica dealer also has a new 2017 Eva in stock, at the 2018 MSRP of 18K.
My worry would be that the battery is now 2 1/2 years old and has likely just been sitting on low charge. Is it possible to check the state of the battery and is my worry justified?

I test drove both bikes and I like the "lightness" of the SR/F compared to the top-heavy Eva. In terms of power I don't think there is much difference and unlike what I expected I think the SR/F goes a bit faster of the line since the Eva (2017=80kW) seems to have a very soft throttle coming of a stand-still. Which makes sense if you factor in the 100lbs less on the Zero. But my point being - the power difference does not feed into my decision making as it is too close to call. However the test rides are 4 weeks apart now so my memory might trick me here.

What the SR/F has going for it is probably a longer range, especially with the extra battery that I was planning to add when it comes out in fall. The Eva of course has DC charging which is plenty available around here.

The Eva was also very stiffly set up, but I assume the fully adjustable suspension can take care of that.

I do like the SR/F's look better - less is more and I think they hit the nail on the head with avoiding complexity; i.e. the Eva with liquid cooling, reduction gearbox etc just seems to have a lot more complexity to it - visually as well as technically... does it matter? not sure

What would you do????

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Zero SR-F Order thread
« on: May 23, 2019, 02:54:31 AM »
I guess we're getting closer....

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no, but if you take a look at the display you can see how the battery bar is much lower at the end. No surprise since at that speed a naked bike has the wind resistance of an umbrella in a storm...

Even when he is not doing 120mph, he is still cruising at 90-100mph...
Man, I miss the unrestricted German Autobahn....

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xWQkfpCB98&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2PBGm-iBP6VMHx5OCFPifY6AC0GbVAHrhPnH1KbD7g8lM8gxMNK786bf8

The guy says that the SR/F feels extremely stable and secure at high speeds compared to his DSR. The rest is mostly about how he keeps missing the Autobahn exits because he is going too fast :-)

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Zero SR-F Order thread
« on: May 21, 2019, 05:27:10 AM »
same here - at least we will look good while waiting :-)

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: SR/F user manual
« on: May 20, 2019, 11:07:40 PM »
I was looking for specific issues when searching for the user manual:
a) are there 12V connectors I can use for my Garmin GPS/MP3 player and heated vest if needed?
b) what are the regen settings?
c) can you and should you attach the 12V battery to a battery tender?

on a) - Zero did a nice job of adding a pigtail just under the seat and another connector near the handle bar, perfect for the GPS.
on b) - I can't really find anything - I assume this is covered in the app for phones since it is adjusted there for custom profiles.
on c) - absolutely not...

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / SR/F user manual
« on: May 20, 2019, 10:44:22 PM »
for your reading pleasure - the SR/F user manual is available:
http://media.zeromotorcycles.com/resources/owners-manuals/2020/2020-Zero-Owners-Manual-SRF.pdf

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