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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Goodbye Zero
« on: April 12, 2018, 04:33:25 AM »
Quote from: NEW2elec on March 15, 2018, 10:17:48 AM
Alright let me say the only reason I said "pay cash" is I had just agreed with you that you would get a 10k new battery and I felt you were missing the windfall of that fact by worrying about a $300 bike payment and letting that get in the way of a better deal.
You could be a tycoon for all I know and good for you if you are.
If you were sick and the closest Dr. couldn't cure you then you would go to a new doctor.
Your bike could very well be a "lemon" because EVERY company has them, I'm just wondering what if it were the dealer.  I'm not even saying they would tear it up on purpose (hope not) but they may be screwing it up because they don't work on these much and it's all new.

If a Shadow works out for you, fine, but you have to see the dealer is making money off you coming and going.  The guy who gets paid to steer someone in a certain direction might not be the best one to listen to.
That's all man.  Good luck.

Oh I definitely got screwed coming and going.  After 7 weeks, the Zero was still in the shop.  Zero (the company) stated that they were going to honor the battery warranty but the dealership had no idea when the battery would be shipped. At that point I told them to keep the damned thing. They bought the bike from me for the amount I still owed the credit company, and I bought a Rebel 500.  My payments went down by $100/mo, and my insurance went way down too.  The Rebel also came with a 4 year, unlimited mile warranty for an extra $13/mo.  It’s not a perfect motorcycle in many ways, but at least I can work on it and there’s a second Honda dealership that’s only a few miles away, as opposed to the Honda/Zero dealer which is 32 miles away. 

So the Zero is gone, and I’m sticking with my belief that KTM is the only electric vehicle manufacturer that is properly selling their bikes with the battery being leased.  I’ll never buy another electric vehicle of any type without having the option to lease the battery. 

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Goodbye Zero
« on: March 14, 2018, 09:14:34 PM »
Quote from: NEW2elec on March 14, 2018, 09:07:56 PM
They replaced my battery out of warranty.  Shipped it cross country and back and threw in a new cord no cost to me.
Unless you altered the bike in a big way I feel they will replace your battery no problem.
Just for laughs how much are they willing to give you for your "worthless" bike?

P.S. never get anything you can't pay cash for, just great life advise.

They depreciated it by 60%.  I should be able to do an even swap on the 2018 Shadow Phantom.  The only alterations I made was to swap the lights for LED’s, removed the rear fender, mirrors, and passenger pegs.  Your advice about cash doesn’t do me any good at this point.  Besides, I’m not even close to having bad credit.  I also wouldn’t be able to have the successful business I own and operate without credit.  I’d still be stuck with basic tools and stuck doing side jobs if I only paid cash.  Buying equipment on credit has tripled my income in three years.  I was starving before I bought equipment on credit.  In three years time, I’m now making more money than I’ve ever made in my life.  All thanks to credit. 

I do agree that toys like motorcycles/boats/etc. should probably be paid for in cash.  Like I said in a previous post, I learned my lesson.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Goodbye Zero
« on: March 14, 2018, 09:01:49 PM »
Quote from: NEW2elec on March 14, 2018, 08:54:44 PM
Fivespeed  that's fine if you don't want a Zero but has it crossed your mind that your "family" owned dealer doesn't know what the hell they're doing?

It is a $6000 bike with a 10k battery, so get a new battery and sell it yourself and make more money and buy anything you want.  The "trade in" sounds a bit fishy (see the top of my post).

How long is that going to take?  How many $300 payments do I have to make on a bike I can’t even look at, much less ride?  At this rate, I’ll get a new battery about the time Oprah gets elected.  Any additional money I would get through a private sale will be depleted by the monthly payments.  Besides, if I was going to wait long enough for the new battery that I don’t even know I’m going to get, I’d take it to Black Widow Harley-Davidson and get screwed by them too.  Nope, just give me the 2018 Shadow Phantom and I’m done.  I’ll have the R1 for speed, and a cruiser for riding with my Harley friends.  And I’ve already got a horribly ugly and abused 2005 Ninja 250 as a project bike, which is also much more reliable than the Zero. 

As far as the dealership goes, they’re one of the oldest Honda dealers in the nation.  And yes their service sucks.  There’s a Honda dealership much closer and I’ll deal with them for any warranty work, which I don’t anticipate with a Honda Shadow.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Goodbye Zero
« on: March 14, 2018, 08:54:05 PM »
Quote from: nevetsyad on March 14, 2018, 08:51:07 PM
You’re preaching to the choir. let us know what happens. Have you posted on the Facebook group? Emailed Aaron at Zero?

No, I’m waiting to hear about the battery.  If they screw me, I’ll be the most vocal asshole on the web, sending emails, FB, and snail mail letters to everyone I can think of.  Otherwise, I’ll chalk it up as a lesson learned the hard way, shut my mouth, and ride off in the distance on my new Honda.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Goodbye Zero
« on: March 14, 2018, 08:46:35 PM »
Quote from: nevetsyad on March 14, 2018, 08:08:30 PM
Request a refund. Or credit towards a new Zero. Much higher chance of a trade in credit.

I’ve already been told I’ll get a trade in credit, as long as Zero warranties the battery.  I’ve already picked out the bike I want, we’re just waiting to hear back from Zero.  If they don’t warranty the battery, all Hell is about to break loose.

I don’t want another Zero.  Ever.

I want to be done with this crap permanently.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Goodbye Zero
« on: March 14, 2018, 07:47:13 PM »
Quote from: wavelet on March 14, 2018, 06:59:15 PM

Sorry to hear about your issues. Don't have a Zero yet, partially because range/charging options aren't  there yet for sport-touring (I'm not in the US, and digichargers wouldn't help, and even if they did, cost is out of line)  and partially because I'm concerned the tiny importer into my country, also the single service location, might be too far away from the factory to be able to get parts & Zero's attention in reasonable time.

I assume you're in the US? If so, look into whether your state has a Lemon Law. I would have lost patience after the third downtime incident. In parallel, try contacting Zero directly, their PR & management directly.

Florida law specifically exempts motorcycles from the lemon laws.  No help there.

I don’t want to contact Zero, what are they going to do, give me a new battery, pat me on the ass, and say, “away you go!”?  I don’t want to own a Zero any longer.  I’m beginning to think they named it “Zero” because that’s what you’ll end up with when the battery dies.  It’s a $6000 bike with a $10,000 battery.  The battery dies out of warranty, and it’s totaled.  Goodbye and good riddance.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Clicking sound when rolling on '16 DSR
« on: March 14, 2018, 06:48:40 PM »
I took the belt completely off as well as removed the rear brake caliper.  The sound was gone.  I put the caliper back on, still no sound.  I put the belt on, and the sound came right back.   Took it to the dealership, had them align it and test for proper tension. Nothing changed, it still made the noise and I was told to “get used to the sound”.   

I continued to ride it and the sound eventually went away except for when I pushed it backwards.

None of this matters now, my battery is defective and I’m getting rid of my Zero. I’m tired of all the problems this bike has caused, and there has been many.  I’m not saying that I’ll never own another electric bike, but it’ll be at least a decade before I bite again.  Let’s see how the electric Harley is doing 10 years from now...

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Goodbye Zero
« on: March 14, 2018, 06:27:18 PM »
Sorry, but I came on here to start a thread with the exact same title.

I own a 2015 Zero SR.  It’s been in the shop 8 times in three years, all for warranty work. Several visits to the shop took over a month, which means I had to make payments on a bike that wasn’t even in my possession!  This latest issue has lasted over a month...again.

After 3 years and 17,000 miles, the battery is dead.  I had to actually argue with the service shop manager because he insisted that “Zero batteries don’t go bad”.  Yeah right.  Charge it to 100% and try to go further than 30 miles.  I hope you bring your cellphone or some decent walking shoes, bottled water, and a hat.

My R1 has 25,000 miles on it, and it’s never been to the shop for anything other than tires.  Funny how a race bike with lights and a plate can go 25,000 miles with no issues but a “zero maintenance” bike needs constant repair.

I spoke with the head sales manager (it’s a family owned business and I think he’s the boss), he’s supposed to call me today.  He’s trying to find out if Zero will warranty my battery. IF? For the life of me, I can’t figure out why it’s taken a month to find out if Zero will warranty a 3 year old battery with 17,000 miles on it.  There should be no question.

I want off this train wreck.  The concept is great, but not at my expense anymore. I was told that assuming the battery is warrantied, the bike will have depreciated 60% in 3 years.  I’ll be able to do an even swap for a 2018 Honda Shadow Phantom.  At least I know how to work on the Shadow, and I doubt I’ll have to do much to it other than valve adjustments, which appear to be as easy as doing a lawnmower.

Goodbye Zero, great concept, poorly executed.


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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Battery capacity loss - Zero SR 2014 + PT
« on: December 10, 2017, 02:57:20 AM »
I agree, our issues are probably unrelated.  I was referring to the OP.

His problems are the same as mine except for the voltage which I didn’t check. 

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Battery capacity loss - Zero SR 2014 + PT
« on: December 09, 2017, 07:52:18 PM »
I don’t have the power tank on my ‘15 SR but I’m having the same symptoms. The range has reduced  to around 35-40 miles and it only takes about 3 hours to charge from 20% to 100%.

I know I need to take it in but I’ve been really busy and every time it goes to the shop it’s in there for a minimum of 2 weeks.  Even the so called 20 minute software update took the entire day. 

Business has really slowed down so maybe I’ll take it in next week and I’ll update everyone then.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Clicking sound when rolling on '16 DSR
« on: August 07, 2017, 03:18:57 AM »
Quote from: JaimeC on August 07, 2017, 03:12:39 AM
Be careful with using any kind of "permanent" spray-on protection for your belt.  Back when Harley Davidson switched from chain drive to belt drive (early 80s) they used to sell a "Belt Dressing" to preserve and protect the belt.

Turns out having a liquid dressing on a belt is not all that great an idea as any road grit thrown up by your tires will stick to it.  Some of that road grit is amazingly abrasive and it didn't take long for those "preserved" belts to fail prematurely.  You'll note that Harley no longer sells a "belt dressing."  Neither does any other manufacturer who sells belt-driven motorcycles.

Just keep the belt clean and wash the bike regularly.  It's better for the belt AND the bike.

It dried and now the sound is back.  Should I just get a new belt?  I don't like blowing cash anymore than the next guy but a belt probably won't break the bank.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Clicking sound when rolling on '16 DSR
« on: August 06, 2017, 11:14:04 PM »
YES!!! Washing it down with a hose made it silent.  What type of silicone spray should I get?

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Clicking sound when rolling on '16 DSR
« on: August 06, 2017, 08:53:10 PM »
I got bored waiting to hear from my riding buddy.  It's the belt.  I can feel it in the belt, plus it did it with no brake pads installed.  The sound completely stopped and the wheel rolled silently when all the tension was removed. There's no missing teeth on the belt or sprockets/pulley whatever, and the belt looks like it did the day I got it.  It has 15,300 miles exactly on it.  It probably needs to be replaced is my guess.   I don't have a tension gauge, but it feels pretty tight like ain't always has. 

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Lithium Ion (Li-ion) Batteries used in Zero Motorcyles - all you need to know
« on: August 06, 2017, 05:05:21 PM »
Thanks for the replies. I figured someone out there had weighed it at some point.  I get asked that question from time to time. 

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Clicking sound when rolling on '16 DSR
« on: August 06, 2017, 04:35:44 PM »
Quote from: E-Luke on August 06, 2017, 04:17:06 AM
That sounds almost exactly like my sound... It was a super similar sound, but mine was in tune with the revolution of hte front sprocket. Hollywood electrics ended up diagnosing it as a loose screw (I can't remember the actual name of it) on the front sprocket I believe.

They fixed it easily and that noise went away, but now I've got a crazy high squeal, which sounds like a bearing is shot, once I accelerate beyong two bars at any speed. I think I feel some resistance aswell.

I love my bike, but in 5000 miles I've snapped two belts, had this front sprocket problem, and now the high pitched acceleration squeal and fine vibration/resistence. I think the biggest problem they're going to have is find a robust drivetrain that maintains the simpleness they're going for. Whenever I pass a Harley or BMW etc, I always look at the thickness of their belts and shake my head - my bike has more torque and it's like a piece of spaghetti down there!!!!

Those bikes need a thick belt to deal with the massive amounts of torque produced while shifting gears.  It sucks about your belt.  I am not nice to mine but it's the original one.

Quote from: skoleskibe on August 06, 2017, 04:53:48 AM
Quote from: Fivespeed302 on August 06, 2017, 01:28:39 AM
Quote from: E-Luke on June 22, 2017, 09:32:34 PM
Yeah the noise is there regardless of key on or off, rolling fwd or back...



Sounds like the belt rubbing on the shoulder of the pulley. Try lubricate the pulley with a thin whisp of silicone spray. That might help, or even better adjust the alignment to avoid belt rubbing.


Thanks, I'll give it a try.  I'm pretty sure that I'll be taking the wheel off before it's over.  I might have time today, but I'm going on a ride with some friends on the R1 so it may be a few days before I get a chance.  I'll report back with my findings. 

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