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Buy Sell Trade / SOLD - 2020 Energica SS9 13.4 (Sacramento)
« on: October 28, 2022, 09:13:29 PM »
$12,500 $11,999 $11,500 $10,999 $10,500 $10,200 SOLD!
Davis, CA (Sacramento area)

Only 9,xxx miles
60-90 mi range
DC fast charging: 15 min recharge time to 80%
New tires, 90% left (Continental Road Attack 3 GT)
Brake pads 50% left
Title in hand
Registered through Aug 2023

Fast, powerful motorcycle in great condition! It breaks my heart to sell it, but it just doesn’t fit my use case right now. One plastic panel is cracked from a drop.

I am willing to consider reasonable offers.

Included in sale price:
Puig touring windscreen windscreen
Factory heated grips with adjustable heat levels
Front and rear axle sliders and frame sliders from Energica of New England
Rear swingarm spools
Tutoro automatic chain oiler
Custom tail tidy from Sonic Moto in Oakland
Custom wheel covers for 3-5% more aerodynamic efficiency
Cover from BILT
Factory 2 x USB-A charger
DC barrel plug for heated gear, runs off the bike's 12v step-down converter
CRG Hindsight 3" bar-end mirrors (OEM mirrors will also be provided)
Custom luggage racks for Givi Monokey top and side cases from Sonic Moto. SS9’s do not normally accept Givi luggage.
Givi WL901 semi-rigid side cases, 25 liters
Givi Monokey top case rack (top case not included)

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Energica / Price check on an SS9 13.4 kWh
« on: October 21, 2022, 09:53:25 PM »
A year ago, I saw SS9 13.4’s for around $13.5k, and it seemed like they sat on the market for 30-60 days before being sold for an undisclosed price. The one I snapped up was $12.5k, which I believe was under the market because another interested buyer contacted him the next day.

Lately I haven’t seen any 13.4 bikes at all for months, so I have no idea where the market is. Has it moved since last year? I suppose the EMCE bikes might have pushed it down a little and the 13.4’s are a year older now. What is everyone’s best guess at where a 2020 SS9 13.4 with 8k miles should be priced? If you were in the market, would you buy it at $12.5k? $12k? $11.5k?

Thanks in advance for any perspectives!

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$7,500
Sold on Craigslist!

Davis, CA
2017 Zero SR 13.0 kWh w/ 2.5 kW Charge Tank
49,xxx miles
70+ mi highway range
New tires, 90% left
Brake pads recently installed, 80-90% left
Title in hand
Registered through Apr 2023

Included in sale price:
Zero commuter windscreen
Denali auxiliary lights, can be switched off via button on left handlebar
Heated grips with adjustable heat levels
R&G rear axle sliders
Givi B29 top case and Monolock plate
Grip puppies soft grips (easily removable, original grips underneath)
OEM replacement belt (just in case, no problems with current belt)
OEM C13 charging cable
SR/S footpegs installed (1" lower than SR pegs), OEM pegs included
Krickit belt tension measuring tool
Weather-proof cover (has seen better days cosmetically, but works fine)
USB-C and USB-A charger

Available for an extra fee:
Atlas throttle lock, mechanical "cruise control": $50 (retails for $145)

More pics available here:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/tcca0pw1fgluxu0q2o17u/h?dl=0&rlkey=tee433g57eigmr7ei0ndzb4v4

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Energica / Efficiency advantage from removing plastic panels?
« on: June 04, 2022, 06:23:21 AM »
The other day I vaguely recalled someone mentioning that they got better efficiency from their EVA or SS9 (can’t recall which) after removing the plastic “fairing” panels that cover the sides of the battery case. Has anyone experienced improvements in riding efficiency with their plastics off, and how much of a difference did it make?

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Local to Davis, CA (Sacramento area)
SOLD $600 plus shipping, if needed
Can deliver within a ~70 mi radius to places in the Sacramento, Bay, or San Joaquin areas.

I bought this during the last group buy on 5/20/21, but no longer need it now that I bought the Energica and am preparing to sell my 2017 Zero SR (watch this space for that listing to be posted soon). It is in very good cosmetic condition and perfect working order, and includes everything you need to connect your Zero to a J-station or wall outlet. You can charge from 2 household outlets on separate circuits at twice the normal rate using this charger, among other uses.

Included is an SB-50 to SBS-75X adapter to connect it to Zero's aux port and a J-plug to 3 x 5-15R adapter from TusconEV, allowing you to connect this unit and the Zero's on-board charger to a single J-plug for 4.6 kW, or connect this and another HK-J to a J-station for 6.6 kW, or a variety of other uses.

Total price paid was $905.59 ($784.09 for the ElCon unit and $121.50 for the 3 x 5-15R J-1772 adapter).

I will consider any reasonable offers.

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Energica / New bike, who dis?
« on: December 03, 2021, 12:49:20 AM »
Yesterday I signed the title for my new (to me) SS9-. My 2017 Zero SR has been a great bike and fulfilled my years-long dream of riding electric, but after a little less than a year of owning it, I found myself frustrated with the combination of limited range and slow charging. There wasn’t much I could do about the range, but the charging could be remedied with external charging units. However, buying a second ElCon 3.3 kW charger and some side cases and racks to better carry them was going to be an expensive proposition, and I would never get that money back in the resale value. A well-priced Energica SS9- came onto the market with low-miles, and I realized that by just stretching the budget a little more, I could have DCFC without any of the extra chargers, cables, and hassle, along with even more power and torque and a much better build quality.

I had previously considered these bikes to be out of my price range, and I was also turned off by the need for oil changes and chain maintenance compared to the Zero, and the fact that they make more noise. As I read more about the Zero’s and talked to more owners, however, it became clear that Zero’s may have less regular maintenance than Energicas, but they’re also a lot less reliable and with much worse customer support. I haven’t experienced as many problems as some of the Zero owners on this forum have, but I’ve had issues with charging that cuts out, refuses to start, or is slower than it should be.

So far the Energica has been a dream. I laughed like a hyena the first time I cracked open the throttle in sport mode, and the handling is much more stable and confident (although it’s not as flickable and the tip-in takes some getting used to). I love that I can control the charging rate and limit the SOC, and the included J-1772 to 3-prong adapter is of high quality (although I did have a charging fault last night, which hopefully is a rare occurance). I’m very happy to have cruise control again, and sorely missed it on the Zero (my Atlas throttle lock helped but was no replacement for genuine CC). Traction control with adjustable levels makes me feel a lot more confident even though I never truly needed it on the Zero. I love the strong regen at the medium setting and the fact that it activates the brake light. I also love that it has dual-disc brakes up front, as inadequate stopping power from the single-disc on the Zero was my biggest concern about riding at highway speeds. The slow speed reverse and forward is a godsend, and makes the heavy weight of the bike almost irrelevant.

I’m planning to transfer some of the farkles over from the Zero and then sell it, so anyone who’s in the market for a high-mileage (48k) but well-maintained 2017 SR should consider it. I’m hoping to bring the CalSci windscreen over to the Energicas mounts, which would keep the good part of that product (the windscreen itself) while ditching the rest. Failing that, I’ve seen that a couple of people have had success with the Puig up-and-down adjustable screen. I’m planning to at least try bringing the bar-end mirrors over, although I don’t hate the stock mirrors on the SS9 nearly as much as the ones on the SR. I might also get some bar risers and try to lower the footpegs for a more comfortable ride. It’s already a lot more comfy than the SR, but I feel like it begs for just a little bit extra. I’m also planning to have some top and side case rails made for it.

Negatives compared to the Zero are that it’s significantly less efficient with the short stock windscreen at ~180-190 Wh / mi at 70 MPH compared to ~130 on the SR at that speed. We’ll see how much that comes down when I get a bigger windscreen and a top case installed. It’s also definitely a heavy beast, which matters the most in tip-in and slow-speed handling. It takes some effort to get it to start leaning and once it does it falls into the turn rather abruptly. With the Zero I never worried that I might drop it, but this one has me acting a lot more carefully. I also had a hard time finding a suitable charger last night. The first one was at an AM/PM gas station and only charged at 8 kW, so I abandoned the charge and went to the next closest, which was an Electrify America charger that I couldn’t get to start charging. It wanted me to plug in first but the bike had already rejected the handshake by the time I could initialize payment, no matter how fast I swiped the card. I had to give up and find an EVGo charger that worked like a charm with a credit card swipe, and topped me up to 80% in only 12 minutes. The attempts to figure out what was wrong and get charging took about an hour, though, so I’m hoping I can learn the quirks of DC fast charging and get through the teething period quickly. I also didn’t care for the limp mode that the bike automatically went into when I had 9 mi of estimated range and 17% SOC. It started limiting me to 59 MPH on the highway, which I did not appreciate and felt was dangerous. I hope there’s a way to override that, as I would prefer to make my own decisions about how far to push my luck with range and speed.

All in all, I’m in love with the bike and look forward to taking it on trips that never would have been feasible with the Zero. Maybe someday I’ll trade for a newer one with the bigger battery and new motor, but so far I don’t feel like I’m missing out.

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I recently found a good deal on a low-mile SS9-, and as I think about what accessories to bring over from the Zero and what to sell, I was wondering if I can use my ElCon charger on the new bike. I know that Energicas don't have anything akin to the external charging port on the Zero, but would it be possible to hook the ElCon up to the battery terminals and obtain 6.3 kW AC charging for those situations where the closest DC station is a bridge too far?

In this scenario, I would either mount the ElCon in a semi-permanent place or obtain an adapter from the battery terminals to an SB50 connector that could mate with the ElCon charger. I'm willing to undertake the project even if it's kind of a PITA because 6.3 kW AC charging and 2.5 kW dub-120V charging would be pretty sweet, but if it's a professional-level job in difficulty or danger then I'll just sell the ElCon and be happy with the built-in 3 kW.

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Energica / Mounting a Givi top case and hard side luggage to an SS9?
« on: December 01, 2021, 11:51:41 AM »
Browsing this forum and other sources, I've come across a few soft leads for places that make custom racks for hard luggage for Energicas, but nothing solid yet. I'm looking to bring my Givi Trekker 52 liter top case over from the Zero to an SS9 13.4 kWh using the universal Monolock plate, and also a pair of Trekker 33L side cases I found on the ADVrider forums.

1. There's a Dutch company that apparently made some rails for Givi Outback or Dolimiti luggage, but a recent post from them suggests that they're waiting to collect a certain number of pre-orders before they make another batch. I'm also sure that shipping from the EU to California will be expensive.

2. Someone said there was a welding shop in Modesto (or was it Manteca?) that does custom motorcycle rails, but didn't provide the name.

3. According to an Energica FB group post from last year, Morgan Vetter and Brandon Nozaki-Miller apparently made a custom solution for someone named Rev Caton for Givi V37 cases and were looking into making more of them. I reached out to Brandon on the Electric Motorcycles Discord but haven't heard back yet.

If anyone can provide more info on any of these, or knows a good place near the Sacramento area or Bay Area in California to have it done, please let me know!

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I'm considering getting a second Elcon HK-J 3.3 kW charger and I saw a reference to mounting these chargers inboard of a Happy Trails SU rack in an older post. However, I did not see any pics or information about whether any modifications to the HT rack or charger mounting plate was required.

If anyone has done an inboard charger mount with these side racks, I am mainly curious about the difficulty level of installing the chargers, how to keep the wiring tidy, and what a finished install looks like.

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My 2017 SR is still under battery warranty until next April so I want to avoid charging above 1C, but I would like to get as close as possible to minimize charging stop time. My bike has the 1.3 kW OBC and 2.5 kW charge tank installed, and I am also looking to add 2 x 3.3 kW TC HK-J chargers via the accessory port.

I believe the pack capacity is 104 aH, so 1C would be 104A. I recall that each HK-J provides 32A, so it should stay under the limit as long as the OBC and CT together do not exceed 40A, which I don’t believe they do. Is this calculation correct, or would I exceed 1C charging with this setup? My pack is currently sitting very close to 20% degradation and may be eligible for a replacement before the warranty expires if I don’t do anything to disqualify it, so I definitely don’t want to go over 1C.

If it might exceed the 1C value, I’ll buy a CAN-enabled HK-J so the power can be limited, unless there is a better method?

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Harley LiveWire Forum / Elcon 3.3 kW external AC charger?
« on: June 17, 2021, 07:48:27 PM »
Everyone complains about the 1.3 kW AC charger built into the LiveWire. Is it the same Calex unit that Zero’s use, and is there some way to hook up an Elcon TC HK-J 3.3 kW charger to boost the AC charging speed, either by replacing the on-board charger or supplementing it?

Background / Context:
I’m currently happy with my Zero SR, but I’m thinking that the ELW might be a better future upgrade path for Zero owners than Energica due to the belt drive and lower maintenance. ELW’s seem to be going for 20k and with plenty of unsold inventory, that will likely drop further. I need to see the price fall to ~13k before I can pull the trigger, which will likely take about 3 years. I also need to see aftermarket options for luggage and windscreens, which took about 4 years for the Zero S-platform. If all that were to happen and a better option does not present itself in the meantime, the ELW could be a good upgrade, especially if I can use my Elcon’s for situations where DC charging isn’t feasible.

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How much greater than the rated 6.6 kW can most J-stations charge before they trip the breaker? I could have sworn that I already saw the answer at some point on this forum, but my search has turned up nothing.

The reason I ask is that I’m wondering if my best bet for faster charging on my ‘17 Zero SR + 2.5 kW CT is to get a single 3.3 kW TC HK-J charger, plug it into the bike’s accessory port, and charge via the station’s J-cable into the charge tank at 7.3 kW (1.3 OBC + 2.5 CT + 3.3 HK-J). This would not require bringing extra cables, no need to connect a J-port to the external charger, and no switches to keep the bike charging while keyed off.

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So I took off the tank plastics to try to hook up an SAE-based usb port and fix the non-working horn, but it looked like I might have to unbolt and remove the actual tank internals in order to access these. This seems like a big job that I'd rather avoid, so I thought I'd ask here if there's something I'm missing.

The first pic shows the bike with the seat and plastics off. Second are a couple of connectors on the left hand side. Third and fourth are a connector that I don't recognize (maybe the aux port?).

Do I need to remove the entire tank to access the 12V system? If so, is it just a matter of removing the six hex-head bolts, or do I also need to disconnect any electrical connectors to get it out of the way? If the latter, are any of them live and require high levels of caution or only when charging is engaged?

Thank you!

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https://www.bluetti.com/products/bluetti-ac30s-300wh-300w-portable-power-station-1

I looked at the listing for this portable power station and thought maybe it could prevent getting stranded if I were limping home or to a charge station and didn't quite make it. The 300 Wh would provide another few miles and might be preferable to pushing the bike.

However, with only a 300w output, would the OBC or charge tank w/ turbo cord just trip this thing's breaker immediately? Or would one of those 2 chargers know to only pull 300w?

Is there a better small, lightweight solution than this portable power station that could add another ~2 miles range in a pinch?

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I'm still mulling over the idea of adding a DigiNow SC setup to my 2017 SR. If I have a 2 or 3-SC setup, can I add more chargers by just buying Elcon TC HK-J 3300W's? Or do I need to track down charging units that are specific to DigiNow? If the former, would I need to update the firmware on the DigiNow brain and/or Elcon charging units?

I saw DoctorBass's video about adding a 4th charger at the front of the bike to a 3-charger belly pan setup and love that idea. With 4 chargers, I would likely have 2 J-plugs at 6.6 kw each and a Tesla destination plug at 13.2 kw or the full 16 kw if possible (after the battery warranty expires next year). For longer trips, I might even want to carry 2 extra chargers for a total of 6.

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