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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: skadamo on November 30, 2007, 01:38:38 AM
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I have been doing a lot of research on Electric Motorcycles and scooters lately. I figured I would start a forum to post what I find and get feedback from other people who own or are interested in these awsome machines.
So please join me in discussing the future of two wheeled power!
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electric has definite potential for the future. I am building a chopper and it is planning to go all electric with it.
lets see some pictures!!!
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Hey Amish! Can't wait to hear more about the bike. I was reading up on it on another site. I have seen your other projects and know you can build some nice customs. Keep me posted.
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I'm new to this. What are the fastest and most reliable EVs?
I'd like something with decent range that could go 50mph if possible.
How much are they?
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Hi RideCharged, those are tough questions to answer until we get more owner experiences logged. For the Vectrix Maxi-scooter expect top pay over $9K USD. What do you want to use one for? There are dirtbikes for less $. And you can always build one for a lot less.
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Skadamo,
Glad to be here. This is going to be a learning experience for me. I do not own an electric motorcycle but am looking at buying a commuter bike next spring and would like it if it were electric instead of fossil fuel driven.
Hope to learn more and participate in discussions with experienced members here.
Cheers!
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Welcome gardener! Looking forward to hearing about your criteria and seeing which way you go. Exciting stuff!
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I am glad to be here.now i am sell the electric motorcycle.so i want to know people's idea for it.
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Hi, new here. Pretty much the same as most people. Just got into the notion of electric bikes and I am curious to what is the current, new, or future models hold in store for us.
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Hey Fred, glad to have you on board! We are all learning here. If you have a question fire away. If you find something cool post it up.
Thanks!
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Hello, My name is Chris and this introduction is long overdue. I am relatively new to electric motorcycles, but have been a life-long fan of motorcycles and particularly motorcycle racing. I started a blog in October of 2008 to piece together some news and commentary on EM design and racing, www.EnvironMoto.com . One of the first articles I created was giving props to Electric Motorcycle Forum. I still consider it the best electric bike resources on the web... I don't think skadamo ever actually sleeps!
I have very infrequently lurked around here, but I have created an account so that I can be more present. I hope that I add some positive and useful content on the forum, and I hope that some of you will check out my blog from time to time to keep me in line!
Chris
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Hi Chris, thanks a lot for the huge compliments to me and the members here! Everyone here is posting great information. I learn from most every post.
Your site is in my feed reader, shame on me for not linking out to you if I haven't. I know I've at least tweeted you posts. Anyway, I will keep an eye on www.EnvironMoto.com. Keep up the great work!
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New here too. anyone located in florida?
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Hi, wanted to add my interest to this board. I already mostly post on the elmoto forum. I am an owner/rider of a 72 volt AC GPR-S.
BretA
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Hi BretA,
Welcome and I also wanted to say thanks for your documentation of your experiences with your GPR-S, that I probably read on the elmoto site. I also have purchased a 72 volt GPR-S, and am currently waiting for Electric Motorsport to put it together and test it. It is not quite stock, because the batteries are 60 ah. I have been dying to ask you -- once you got all the bugs ironed out with your machine, have you been happy with it?
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Hi Just wanted to let you all know who I/we are. We as a family set up Goeco an electric bike/vehicle company in Ireland when most here were building houses & making fortunes. We however looked slightly long term & have now started to get the rewards after spending years banging our heads against brick walls in this beautiful country of ours. We dont intend to slow just because the coubtry has & we have just taken delivery of the first vectrix in the country.
Have a look at what we do if your interested:
www.goeco.ie (http://www.goeco.ie)
www.electricbikeholidays.ie (http://www.electricbikeholidays.ie)
ww.foldingbikes.ie
Regards
The Mannering family ;D
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good job! i developed LED light these days on motorcycle helmet too(http://)
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i have been looking for MASEI skull chrome helmet in L size.. anyone can help?
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Hi Guys
My name is Chad. I live in Ma. I am excited that i found a community of people who discuss electric motorcycles. I dont have an electric motorcycle at this time since I dont have the money. Ive been planing a build over a number of years. I am an avid motorcyclist and racer with years of experience as a motorcycle mechanic and tons to say on the subject of electric motorcycles.
Chad Farland
Dartmouth Ma.
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Welcome to the forum! Lots of knowledgable guys and gals around. Let us know what your planning...
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Hi, my name is Oliver, just found you surfing... I am thinking I want to start an EV motorcyle and scooter dealership here in UK... Will surf around site but wondered if you have posted a definitive list of what is available now? :) I am of to UK Motorcycle show tomorrow to see what is there...
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Hi and welcome!
A definitive list is a good idea. I'll put on together.
You might want to check out http://hollywoodelectrics.com (http://hollywoodelectrics.com) if you have not already. They are an electric mc shop. Might be good folks to chat with. Guity bought his GPRS from them.
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HI 2 Wheeled EV Group,
i am loctaed in switzerland and bought already a Quantya Strada / need a "official status" of the bike like lamp mask and so on , to be allowed to race.
My person participate in some Endurance Races (3h) every year in CH with GasGas 250, now it is time to change.....
My plan is, to update you frequently with some pictures and informations when using Quantya in Endurance Races.
Also the possible modifications on a Quantya are in my focus.
Here suspension wise and other usefull normally on petrol bikes used race equipment.
The Quantya is now in the modifications situation, pictures will follow in ca. 3 weeks.
My first question to you all in this forum is:
Does somebody keep any infos, how to reload the accu in the field?
With suncollectors, with a car battery etc?
I am riding a lot of times in the woods and mountains, so maybe the normal charging procedure isn`t possible.
Thanks and have a nice weekend
Stephen
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Hi Stephen, really glad to have you on board! You may want to start a new post to ask your questions so they get the proper attention.
Really looking forward to seeing the pics and info.
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I have been doing a lot of research on Electric Motorcycles and scooters lately. I figured I would start a forum to post what I find and get feedback from other people who own or are interested in these awsome machines.
So please join me in discussing the future of two wheeled power!
Freakin yeah man, that's the BOMB! I'm pumped, psyched, license to KILL bro! Ready to make some bank skadmoa, or should i say...SkAdOmA
OH DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*N
Did I really just go there?
Yes
Yes I did bruh
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I have been doing a lot of research on Electric Motorcycles and scooters lately. I figured I would start a forum to post what I find and get feedback from other people who own or are interested in these awsome machines.
So please join me in discussing the future of two wheeled power!
Freakin yeah man, that's the BOMB! I'm pumped, psyched, license to KILL bro! Ready to make some bank skadmoa, or should i say...SkAdOmA
OH DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*N
Did I really just go there?
Yes
Yes I did bruh
lol, what are you on about sunshine? Lucky this aint kiwibiker, the flamers and trollers would be all over a post like that, also the grammarians!
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Just a quick hello. Have been following the electric bike world (primarily the racing side) for some time and thought I'd pop in and see what the fuss was all about. I'm a former racer, motojourno and all around bike nut.
Jim Race
www.MotoGPod.com (http://www.MotoGPod.com)
www.RideOnTwo.com/forum/ (http://www.RideOnTwo.com/forum/)
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Really glad to have you on board Jim! Great work on MotoGPod.com!
You all may want to check this out...
http://www.motogpod.com/episode/episode-220-atmosphere-electric (http://www.motogpod.com/episode/episode-220-atmosphere-electric)
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Hi Just wanted to let you all know who I/we are. I am Mark ,e-marketing sales from Zhejiang Goldenkey Electric Vehicle Co.,Ltd. We are an manufactory and exporter for electric scooter/vehicle in china ,and we have exported our e-vehicles to European countries for years . Now we are developing new market looking for dealer to cooperate with each!
(http://s.ecrater.com/stores/121652/4bc4a7c8eca9e_121652b.jpg)
(http://s.ecrater.com/stores/121652/4b113ee8bc32a_121652b.jpg)
(http://s.ecrater.com/stores/121652/4b137609f2777_121652b.jpg)
Have a look at what we export if your interested:
www.e-mopeds.com (http://www.e-mopeds.com)
Regards
Mark
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Howdy!
I'm Jim, I've been messing around with electric motorcycles since 2007, when I converted my wife's Ninja 250 into a research vehicle....turned obsession. I've put over 2000 miles on it as an electric (not many, considering the span of years, but it gives you a sense of how much time has gone into redesigning and rebuilding to get better speed and performance). In the process of learning how to go faster, I've burned up a lot of expensive stuff that wasn't ready for highway speeds and the resulting power requirements. Here are a couple of links with photos of the project:
http://www.prometheussolar.com/Motorcycle.aspx (http://www.prometheussolar.com/Motorcycle.aspx)
and
http://green.autoblog.com/2008/09/29/altcar-2008-prometheus-solar-powered-electric-motorcycle/ (http://green.autoblog.com/2008/09/29/altcar-2008-prometheus-solar-powered-electric-motorcycle/)
I'm working on a new bike, designed as an electric from the ground up. I've tried to attach a teaser photo, but your system says it's out of room. This is a full sized bike, aimed at real motorcycle performance and a 75 mile minimum range on a charge. I've been able to ride it a little, but we're working through some expensive lessons about lithium polymer batteries.... More when it's running regularly. Here's a site with some preliminary photos:
http://www.novakineticsmotors.com/ (http://www.novakineticsmotors.com/)
Anyway, this looks like an interesting forum, I'm glad I found it.
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Hi Just wanted to let you all know who I/we are. I am Mark ,e-marketing sales from Zhejiang Goldenkey Electric Vehicle Co.,Ltd.
Sorry for the late welcome, but thanks a lot for joining!
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Howdy!
I'm Jim, I've been messing around with electric motorcycles since 2007, when I converted my wife's Ninja 250 into a research vehicle....turned obsession.
Hey Jim, thanks a lot for joining! I remember reading about your Ninja on ABG, glad to see you are pressing on and starting your own company. Can't wait to see what you have going...
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I just joined the forum. Picked up a rolling chassis the other day (Suzuki Katana) and plan to use LiFePO4 batteries, but can't decide whether an AC induction motor or series DC motor is the right solution. Is the AC motor worth the extra cost (prices have seemed to come down)? I don't want to spend a fortune, but I'm not poor either. My goal is a bike that will have a range of 60 to 100 miles and a top speed of 100 MPH. Am I far off the mark?
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Looks like this is the intro page...
Greetings from Asbury Park, NJ
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I'm Bruce. Mechanical engineer and metal fabricator from the real Jersey Shore (not that BS you see on tv). I have a shop full of CNC metalworking equipment, welding and fabricating equipment and a garage full of motorcycles, all kinds, old and new. Looking forward to learning from you all and maybe even teaching a thing or two...
B
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Hi from downunder Australia. And yes, in addition to this ugly electric scooter we have the Zero's now available.
Considering it and would like to know how it compares to the Brammo's. (they are not yet sold here).
and - new to the forum.
cheers
Tom
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Hi fellow enthusiasts!
My name is John and I started my motorcycle "amour" in England with a BSA Bantam, Francis-Barnett, MZ, then My BMW R75/6 which I brought with me to Canada on the boat. Crashed it and got a 1975 Ducati 860GT in 1978, I went across the country and down to LA on it, a lot of miles, loved that bike. Since then I've always loved Ducati's, built and raced a round-case (1972/3) 750. Then in 2000 I treated myself to a brand new Ducati Monster 900S, 3 years ago I blew the motor bad enough to send aluminum shards throughout it, now I want to use the chassis to build a "kneeler" style, prone positioned,"dustbin" faired, super slippery, electric MONSTER! ;D I'm going to keep a photo log, ask a lot of questions (because although I'm a fairly good mechanic, I'm kind of clueless on the electrical front ::))
Looking forward to the adventure 8)
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...feelin' a little late to the party!
I've been lurking for a while, figured it was time to come out of the closet. :D
I'm working on my second bike, a 1972 Yamaha R5 built up from just a frame and a wheel I found in a chicken coop in the fields of Massachusetts. I've planned it to be motor and battery agnostic, so I can upgrade it as I can afford, but right now it's running 72V and a Mars ME0709. Here it is:
(http://l17.sphotos.l3.fbcdn.net/hphotos-l3-ash2/hs045.ash2/35621_1838071311046_1218396040_32200167_3767091_n.jpg)
The plan is to do something like this (this should give you a good idea of what I started with):
(http://evmc2.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/picture-41.png?w=640&h=355)
I'm trying to keep the build diary on one location, so that's over on ES: http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=23548 (http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=23548)
Here's a shot of my first build, based on an '84 VF500F:
(http://evmc2.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/hibeauty2.jpg?w=640&h=424)
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Greetings!
Been lurking here for a bit while I research what to do for an EV motorcycle for my 10-mile, no-hill, no-freeway commute.
Current thoughts:
- Convert my little-used CBR 600F4 race bike.
- Brammo-that-is-actually-available.
- Native GPR-S.
- Bob and electrify a dead-but-registered Sportster.
For the moment I am waiting to see what happens at Zero with adult supervision. If they can homologate something like their TT racer, I am in!
- Sam :D
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For the moment I am waiting to see what happens at Zero with adult supervision. If they can homologate something like their TT racer, I am in!
- Sam :D
Welcome Sam!
Not trying to flex my brain too hard, more trying to keep the record straight.... Zero has not raced the "TT". They used Agni's TT bike at Infineon, Elkhart Lake and ?? In 2010 TTXGP. K squared ran a moded S at Infineon TTXGP 2010.
Not sure what 2011 will bring but Zero keeps plugging along. More dirt tho.
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Thanks for the welcome.
It was at Sears Point in 2010. IIRC it was fundamentally a gixxer...
From http://egrandprix.com/news.php?id=78 (http://egrandprix.com/news.php?id=78)
"...the second Zero satellite teams, KSquared Racing, ridden Kenyon Kludge, Zero's chief electrical engineer riding a modified Zero stock bike."
Where "modified" meant "completely different except for stickers and some parts". ;)
- Sam
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Hello everybody, my name is Duncan MacKillop and I am one of the founders of the Moto Gymkhana Association here in the UK.
Our aim is to introduce and promote Moto Gymkhana to the widest possible range of motorcycle riders and the riders of electric motorcycles should be included in this aim.
Of course, Moto Gymkhana is perhaps the only sport in which electric motorcycle can compete on equal terms with petrol engined bikes, hence me joining this very interesting forum.
Moto gymkhana requires agility, torque and lots of squirt over short distances, something at which electric bikes excell. Average courses take no more tha two minutes to complete, so there's no problems with running out of puff halfway round!
We hope to be running an all-electric Moto Gymkhana sometime later this year and hope that we can find a lot of riders who would want to come along and try it out.
Check out our website for all the gen on Moto Gymkhana at www.motogymkhana.org (http://www.motogymkhana.org)
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Hello all,
I'm new to the forum - registered a few weeks back. I'm an engineer in the auto industry w/ a fairly serious green habit.
Back in 2008 I converted my 1999 VW Jetta TDI to vegetable oil, and took it on an 18,000 mile cross country road trip before starting work in summer of 2009. I converted the car w/ a kit from www.greasecar.com (http://www.greasecar.com).
I've now decided I want to make the jump into EVing. I'm in the process of purchasing my first bike. If all goes well this weekend, I'll be the proud owner of a 2001 Yamaha YZF600R. I'm still in the infant stages of planning, but am having trouble figuring out how to proceed. I've found some websites that sell kits, such as http://www.motorcycleelectrickit.com/. (http://www.motorcycleelectrickit.com/.) But I've not been too impressed with what I've found. Looks like I'll need to go component by component here.
I'm looking for advice and experience of the elder circle here. What are some good resources to proceed w/ my planning?
I found a book called "The Secrets of El Ninja" which seems like it might be helpful here.
Essentially my goal is to convert this bike so I can get a 35 - 50 mile range, and do so for approx $3,000 - 4,000.
Thanks in advance.
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Hello my name is Allen - it looks like i know a few folks here already...
anyway im still new to EV's, but im learning with the help of some of the friends here already...
at present im building a 72 volt motorcycle...
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Hi guys another from Down Under, I have a 1982 GSX 250 which I have hard-tailed, See blog for reason why, http://robselectricgarage.blogspot.com/ (http://robselectricgarage.blogspot.com/) .This has been a part time labour of love for 4 months now and so excited to find this forum via Twitter. Well now for a few hours of looking through more on this forum,
Cheers, Rob
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Hey need2, welcome to the forum! Nice project, adding to my rss reader.
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Hi Guys! I'm NEW!
I bought a project of Ebay, So I have zero experance.
My next post will be in the tech area.
See ya on the tech pages
jwacree
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Hello Everyone,
I ride and love my BMW F800ST but I feel a great commitment to get involved in the electric motorcycle revolution. I hope to buy one soon as I see how they are improving per reports on magazines.
What do you think? Should I take the plunge now or wait another couple of years? The way I see it, most big improvements will be in the battery department and I hope newer batteries will be installable on today's electrics.
Please give me your experienced opinions! Happy owners?
Cheers,
PEPE
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I think that the 2013 Zero S and the Brammo Empulse will be stable platforms for the next couple of years. I don't see any big improvement in batteries available for commercial purchase within that period. So if you have the cash and interest in electric motorcycles, I think next year would be a good time to buy one. Both the Brammo and Zero now have enough performance to be useful for most motorcycle riders and the limited range is just something that you will have to live with. Also having an IC motorcycle solves that problem.
P.S. I love my F650GS twin, too. :)
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Hello Everyone,
I ride and love my BMW F800ST but I feel a great commitment to get involved in the electric motorcycle revolution. I hope to buy one soon as I see how they are improving per reports on magazines.
What do you think? Should I take the plunge now or wait another couple of years? The way I see it, most big improvements will be in the battery department and I hope newer batteries will be installable on today's electrics.
Please give me your experienced opinions! Happy owners?
Cheers,
PEPE
Hi
welcome. just sold my Harley and rely solely on my 2011 S ! Ok, figured that the riding I am doing is not long touring so an easy choice. Once hooked on riding with the fun of the Zero I always picked that. To keep the Harley going had to do occasional rides.
So for now I guess depends on your riding habits. If you do a lot of touring stick with the BMW, you might get a Zero 2011 or 2012 on side for the short rides :)
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Howdy!
I've been following Zero bikes for a few years, and this forum for a few months and have learned a great deal from many of you, especially the frequent, experienced contributors, so thank you! I've been waiting for the range of the DS to move up to where owning one is a viable option for me living in a mountainous rural area. Anyway, I recently ordered a 2013 DS, and I can't wait! This will be my first motorcycle. Thanks again, all.
Cheers
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Hello All,
I am new here. Been riding motorcycles since I was 5. I have owned Suzuki GS400, Kawasaki GPz550, Harley Sportster 883, a Couple of Kawasaki KLR650s, Yamaha TW200, Yamaha XT250, and a Couple of Buell Ulysses, an 06 and a 2010 model.
I sold my 2010 Buell Ulysses last summer and I just used the Cash for Carbon Trade in program from Zero to Trade my XT250 in on a new 2012 Zero DS. It will be my only motorcycle next year so I am interested in learning more about the 2012 Zero DS. I will be mostly commuting to work (30 miles one way) and will have a place to plug and and charge while there. I will also use the Zero for weekend trail rides, or anything else that I can use it for given it's range.
I am very excited to go all electric and get back and forth to work for a few cents on domestic energy but I am also interested in enjoying the ride and I have always found the DS to a be a great looking bike with enough power to make it interesting.
I will miss the ability to go for a 400 mile day ride or take a long distance weekend excursion on 2 wheels but it is part of the deal to go all electric right now.
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Hello All,
I am new here. Been riding motorcycles since I was 5. I have owned Suzuki GS400, Kawasaki GPz550, Harley Sportster 883, a Couple of Kawasaki KLR650s, Yamaha TW200, Yamaha XT250, and a Couple of Buell Ulysses, an 06 and a 2010 model.
I sold my 2010 Buell Ulysses last summer and I just used the Cash for Carbon Trade in program from Zero to Trade my XT250 in on a new 2012 Zero DS. It will be my only motorcycle next year so I am interested in learning more about the 2012 Zero DS. I will be mostly commuting to work (30 miles one way) and will have a place to plug and and charge while there. I will also use the Zero for weekend trail rides, or anything else that I can use it for given it's range.
I am very excited to go all electric and get back and forth to work for a few cents on domestic energy but I am also interested in enjoying the ride and I have always found the DS to a be a great looking bike with enough power to make it interesting.
I will miss the ability to go for a 400 mile day ride or take a long distance weekend excursion on 2 wheels but it is part of the deal to go all electric right now.
welcome. may of us started to put the bikes history or collection - into the footer of our messages... its interesting to see how many of us convert or collect.
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Skademo,
Glad to join the forum. I am researching purchase of a new EM for commuting and fun. 2013 Zero S is appealing to me. Hoping to find some authentic user experience with EMs and specifically the Zero S.
I have a 35 mi round trip commute, mostly 35 - 45 mph with one small stretch of 50 MPH. I used to ride gas powered motorcycles and I am looking for something comparable. My concern, which may be a common newbie question, is how EMs perform in the rain, and are they safe electrically in a rainy environment. I live near Seattle and if you are not from here you still probably heard that it drizzles rain 6 months of the year. Nonetheless, a lot of riders commonly ride or commute year round except on the dozen or so days when there is snow or ice.
Safe Riding,
SK
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skalups5550 - Many of us have gone on rides in the rain and have had no problems. On 2012 versions the outlet is directly behind the front wheel, so many of us have waterproofed that but otherwise it is perfectly safe to ride in the rain. I've personally ridden through some serious downpours and puddles that are several inches deep.
Welcome to the forum everyone! You're gonna love riding electric!
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skalups5550: I live in Seattle and unfortunately rode through yesterday's downpour on the 2013 DS. The bike provides no protection for the rider from the elements but takes care of itself very competently. It does not underperform or have electrical issues.
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skalups5550: I live in Seattle and unfortunately rode through yesterday's downpour on the 2013 DS. The bike provides no protection for the rider from the elements but takes care of itself very competently. It does not underperform or have electrical issues.
Well that answers one of my questions, thanks!
I just ordered a 2013 zero FX & it should be here tuesday/wed. I live in the US Virgin Islands on St Croix (27 miles long, 7 miles wide at the widest/longest points) I commute about 20 miles to work one, the route I take is a 25-35 mph road (I guess, no one follows any traffic control devices here, with the exceptioin of stoplights... most the time) which I think will work out perfectly (especially if i can find a place to plug in at work.. haha)
But it does rain here, very heavily at times.. hopefully the fenders do a good job of keeping road grime mostly off me.
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You will enjoy quite a lot the FX (I tested one last October, and had another chance for a longer ride last week ;)
A piece of advice. Be gentle with the throttle...especially if you never rode any electrical vehicle before...I have seen profesional bike testers getting in trouble with this one...
It is a funny bike, I may get another one too
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Hi my name is Ben, i live in the Netherlands. Yesterday I ordered a DS 2013. I have a daily round trip of about 135 km. very excited about the bike and never stopping at a gas station again. ;D Hope to learn about ev's in this forum which I've been reading with interest for the last couple of weeks.
Thank you al for sharing and letting me learn ;)
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skalups5550: I live in Seattle and unfortunately rode through yesterday's downpour on the 2013 DS. The bike provides no protection for the rider from the elements but takes care of itself very competently. It does not underperform or have electrical issues.
Well that answers one of my questions, thanks!
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But it does rain here, very heavily at times.. hopefully the fenders do a good job of keeping road grime mostly off me.
I should add one caveat to that, now that I have some more experience. The bike has enough torque to weight ratio that it can fishtail if there's enough oil on the road surface. I experienced this myself a few weeks ago. It's light enough to easily bring itself out of that situation but it was definitely eye-opening to reach that condition (on a steep onramp in a particularly sudden rain).
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Hi Guys! I'm NEW!
I had a project to change my motorcycle to an electrical one, but I just changed my BUELL 2009 to a brand new Zero S ZF9 2012.
i had a good deal, so
I'm here for mod, hack, or improvement.
Nemo ;D
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Howdy! New here, been on elmoto.net for a while and branching out.
My current bike is a converted 93 gsxr, the GSX-E.
www.gsx-e.com (http://www.gsx-e.com)
I also have an 82 kz550 conversion in the works.
I see some familiar faces...looking forward to meeting new folks.
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Hi I am Nigel and I am just about to embark on my 1st EV bike build hopefully using either a cbr600 or kawasaki er6 chassis but can any one help me where can i get CLAB batteries from in the uk
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Hello Nigel. You might want to check out this thread on the ElMoto forum.
http://www.elmoto.net/showthread.php?3116-Seeking-LiFePo4-Batteries-in-Uk (http://www.elmoto.net/showthread.php?3116-Seeking-LiFePo4-Batteries-in-Uk)
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Hi, my Name is Martin. I live in Forchheim (Germany) and work in Erlangen, both next to Franconian Switzerland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franconian_Switzerland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franconian_Switzerland) which is a great area for motorcyclers.
I`ve got a Zero S 2013 in yellow since mid of July and rode nearly every day to my office having nice tours before or after work.
Picture below shows my bike at the first electric vehicle charging point in Bavaria, in Egloffstein.
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Hi Martin,
nice bike I rode a 2013 S not long ago, it performs really good . But still like my 2012 and be happy to have 11000Km with very little issues.
A pity you are a bit fare away for a ride. I live next to Memmingen.
Have fun with your Zero. If you need some help for how to use a Type II plug for your bike let me know and I post how to built it.
http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=3038.msg15577#msg15577 (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=3038.msg15577#msg15577)
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Hi guys! Looks like I missed this section for my first post. Anyway, I am a couple years off financially before I can own a Zero S but my girlfriend will most likely be picking hers up this week or next.
I have been riding motorcycles for about 6 years now and in that time I have owned a Harley Nightster, Street Bob, Ninja 250, Ninja 650, Goldwing and an R6. I still have the R6 and Street Bob. I am looking to make my R6 a dedicated track bike and have the Zero S take it's place for commuting duty.
I live in Upstate New York just outside of Albany and one of my favorite stores just added Zero Motorcycles to their inventory.
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Hey all! I currently have a 2000 Buell M2 Cyclone. I love it and it is the best bike I have ever owned (aside from having to deal with Harley dealer mechanics who don't understand anything that isn't a cruiser) but, in 2011 I test rode a Zero DS at a local Bay Area shop and it changed my life. I always swore I would never sell the Buell But, I'm going to the first chance I get so I can get a 2014 Zero S! I cant wait to see what they have coming this year!
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e-Hello ! Just joined; will be purchasing an e-bike in January and want to learn as much as possible before then. If various motorcycle monikers can have "User / Rider / Owners Groups", I think there should be something similar for e-bikers. First up, I sure wish MAPQUEST would list ChargePoints ( J1772 and CHAdeMO ) in the maps it gives !
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Hey all! I currently have a 2000 Buell M2 Cyclone. I love it and it is the best bike I have ever owned (aside from having to deal with Harley dealer mechanics who don't understand anything that isn't a cruiser) but, in 2011 I test rode a Zero DS at a local Bay Area shop and it changed my life. I always swore I would never sell the Buell But, I'm going to the first chance I get so I can get a 2014 Zero S! I cant wait to see what they have coming this year!
Bueller,
I owned a couple of Buell Ulys and loved them.
I don't know if you noticed but Abe Askenazi, who was one of the main engineers at Buell, now works at Zero. You can see some similarities.
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Ron,
Check plugshare.com - they have a pretty good map of chargers and charge stations.
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Hi, my name is Nuccio and I'm writing from Italy.
I would like to congratulate all the members of the forum because this is the most beautiful and complete among those that attended. Also with respect to those where normally i write.
I've done several elettric motorcycles, you can see here:
http://www.enduromania.blogspot.it/ (http://www.enduromania.blogspot.it/)
http://electricmotorcicles.blogspot.it/ (http://electricmotorcicles.blogspot.it/)
ROBO Stone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2uby5Tl3z8#ws)
ROBO STONE clip1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1dKZvdmQng#)
Thanks
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Very nice, Nuccio. ;D
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Hi, new to this forum; in the process of purchasing a 2012 Zero DS; hope I have better luck with it than with my present Vectrix; My local dealer promised me they had replaced the battery on it; doesn't even run 20 miles, before it dies; so now I'm looking at Zeros. I hope to get my Vectrix repaired and sold after I get my Zero. Has anyone in this forum worked on Vectrix motorcycles? Thanks for any and all replies :)
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When I first read this I thought you were getting 20 miles on the Zero!
kingcharles has owned a Vectrix for several years and has rebuilt the battery pack. You might PM him, or he may answer here.
http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=1576 (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=1576)
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scouter888, I had a Vectrix and was able to get range back by running the battery all the way down repeatedly (NiMH battery). It was tedious, but the range went back up to nearly the original range.
When I bought the Vectrix it went 40mi on a charge. After a year and a half it was down to 20 miles, then up to about 30-35mi after running the battery all the way down several times.
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For the best information on Vectrix you should head over to visforvoltage.org, there are many topics there on battery care and other tips and tricks.
Running the bike down to low voltages will only destroy the NiMH cells further unless you know exactly what you are doing.
You need to replace the charger firmware if you want to continue to use the NiMH cells or convert to Li if you fancy a project.
Please note that Vectrix is in chapter 11, so getting rid of that bike is probably your best option as parts are already hard to come by...
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Hello from Southern California! I'm here to learn as much as I can about the pros and cons of going electric. I currently ride a Honda VFR800 and love it but like many here, I'm curious to see (and ride) an electric. That H-D LiveWire really piqued my interest. Anxiously waiting to learn how it performs and the price point. If it's on par with the Zero (and not outrageously expensive), I plan to make room in my garage for one!
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Howdy Cannibal.
Definitely ride the LiveWire if you get a chance. Very cool to see a concept bike from one of the traditional manufacturers that goes beyond smoke & mirrors. Since Harley is scheduling the LiveWire tour through 2015, I wouldn't expect to see a production model available before 2016.
If you're near Hollywood, also check out Hollywood Electrics. They should have a number of bikes to ride and purchase today; the Zero SR in particular should be in the same performance category as the H-D, but lighter and perhaps a little more range.
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Thanks for the info protomech. The Zero SR looks like a great option. I had the same thought re when the LiveWire would become available and, fortunately, I'm a patient man. Hopefully, I can also be a disciplined man and start socking away my pennies for when the H-D is available. I have no idea how much it's going to run but imagine it starting in the low $20K range.
I'm down in San Diego but make it up to Hollywood every once in a while. I'll check out Hollywood Electrics next time I'm there. I imagine things will be busy at Zero Motorcycles over the next year in anticipation of the LiveWire's release and the need and desire to be competitive. I like the changes they made from the Zero S to the SR. Looking forward to seeing what they do in response to the LiveWire.
I admit to never being a big Harley fan. Always said I had no interest in owning one. The LiveWire has definitely changed my mind (assuming it performs wells). I also blew off electrics as an interesting but fledgling niche that would never really gain widespread acceptance. Having a mfg with worldwide recognition like H-D step into the arena and design a bike like the LiveWire really feels like a game changer. Are we on the cusp of a new era of motorcycling? Who really knows? But I'm really excited about it all and am ready to join those of you who found enlightenment early on. For now, I'll watch and learn and hold on to my Honda!
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I also blew off electrics as an interesting but fledgling niche that would never really gain widespread acceptance. Having a mfg with worldwide recognition like H-D step into the arena and design a bike like the LiveWire really feels like a game changer. Are we on the cusp of a new era of motorcycling?
See there? This is exactly what needed to happen! "Zero and Brammo? Never heard of 'em. Wait, Harley's doing what? Oh, well then this must actually be a thing! Who'd you say earlier? Bampow and what? I'll have to look at them!" Harley Davidson stepping into the game lends credence to the entire industry, and the current players have much to benefit from big name competition!
For now, I'll watch and learn and hold on to my Honda!
No shame in that, Cannibal! I held on to my Honda, AND my Kawasaki, though they're not getting much use unless my Zero won't reach (which is pretty much never for my daily routine). Check out the current machines if you get a chance. They're worth a test ride even if you're not ready to buy!
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Hey Jeff, you're absolutely right. I had heard of Zero motorcycles (couldn't even tell you the impression I had) but didn't give them a second thought. Had never heard of Brammo but after the LiveWire announcement, started looking into electrics - What's out there now? How capable are they? How much do they cost? How far can they go on a charge? - And found myself thinking, "These bikes are pretty badass." Regardless of whether I end up owning the LiveWire, electric motorcycles are now at the forefront of my consciousness and a very real possibility for me. Like I wrote before, exciting.
I was just in Austin last week for a conference. First time there. I ate way too much and drank even more. Cool city. Had a chance to check out some live music and the barbecue was amazing. Wanted to see the bats that everyone was talking about but the timing didn't work out.
Thanks for your post.
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I ate way too much and drank even more.
You're doing it right! ;)
Ya' know, I've lived here almost 8 years and I've never seen the bats fly from the Congress bridge. I've tried a few times, but I either missed them or they didn't fly that night for whatever reason. One of these days. I did catch a mass bat flight a few weeks ago just north of Uvalde, TX when I was down there with the Magna Owners of Texas for a meet and greet weekend. I even got some video. Frio Bat Flight (http://youtu.be/2szI92K0m2A)
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Hello,
I recently purchased a 2014 Zero FX 5.7 just for commuting. I replaced an Aprilia RSV-R, which was a great bike, but way fast and getting more and more uncomfortable each day. (not the bike's fault, just getting older).
The FX has a range of 70/city max, but I ride section line roads. I get just short of 50 miles. I have access to an outdoor outlet at work and until they tell me not to, I shall plug in every day so I can "play" on the way home.
The torque (70 ft/lbs.) is fabulous and the speed (85 max.) is all I'll ever need. I love the idea of never buying premium fuel and wondering what sort of mechanical poisons are in there. Electricity is just electrons. No government-mandated B.S. or "pollution-reduction" additives that don't do anything but feed someone's personal agenda.
No cooling system, transmission, transmission fluid, engine, engine oil, clutch, clutch actuating system, valve adjustments, exhaust-ANYTHING. What is not to like?
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Great video Jeff! Was hoping it would pan out and there you'd be, black cape blowing in the wind, utility belt at the ready, eyes burning intensely from behind your mask ... then you throw your leg over the Bat-Pod (electric version, of course) and speed away.
Hi Opa. That's quite a move from the Aprilia to the Zero! Not that I know a whole lot about the Zero (yet) but the Aprilia is an amazing bike. Glad to read that you're happy with the transition. I can relate to having comfort become more important with age! Over the years I've gone from a Ninja 600 (very aggressive riding position) to the Ninja 650 (more of an upright) to a Triumph Bonneville (cool bike and super comfortable but I missed the performance of the sport bikes) to my current bike, a VFR800 (great mixture of sport and comfort). Every bike has had great aspects to it and I've enjoyed riding them all. I can't see myself giving up the VFR but who knows? I need a Jay Leno garage (and budget)!
I thought I read that some electrics have oil or some sort of coolant for the battery packs. Is that right? And, if so, is there maintenance associated with the coolant? It seems unlikely that air would be enough. Congrats on the FX. It's a great looking bike and looks like a lot of fun.
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Great video Jeff! Was hoping it would pan out and there you'd be, black cape blowing in the wind, utility belt at the ready, eyes burning intensely from behind your mask ... then you throw your leg over the Bat-Pod (electric version, of course) and speed away.
Hi Opa. That's quite a move from the Aprilia to the Zero! Not that I know a whole lot about the Zero (yet) but the Aprilia is an amazing bike. Glad to read that you're happy with the transition. I can relate to having comfort become more important with age! Over the years I've gone from a Ninja 600 (very aggressive riding position) to the Ninja 650 (more of an upright) to a Triumph Bonneville (cool bike and super comfortable but I missed the performance of the sport bikes) to my current bike, a VFR800 (great mixture of sport and comfort). Every bike has had great aspects to it and I've enjoyed riding them all. I can't see myself giving up the VFR but who knows? I need a Jay Leno garage (and budget)!
I thought I read that some electrics have oil or some sort of coolant for the battery packs. Is that right? And, if so, is there maintenance associated with the coolant? It seems unlikely that air would be enough. Congrats on the FX. It's a great looking bike and looks like a lot of fun.
The Brammo Empulse uses a oil-bath transmission and clutch, along with a liquid-cooled motor. Both items require periodic servicing. I believe that the transmission/clutch oil needs to be changed every 6 months and the motor coolant changed every 3 years.
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The Brammo Empulse uses a oil-bath transmission and clutch, along with a liquid-cooled motor. Both items require periodic servicing. I believe that the transmission/clutch oil needs to be changed every 6 months and the motor coolant changed every 3 years.
Thanks Richard! Appreciate the info. I've always enjoyed doing work on my bikes. Little things mostly - oil changes, slight modifications here and there - even just cleaning them. I know many riders feel the same way. It's that connection between man and machine that people talk about and that my wife thinks is cute but doesn't get. Glad to hear there's still some of that with the electric bikes. Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather be riding than wrenching! But I don't like the idea (as crazy as it sounds) of a maintenance free motorcycle.
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Hi everyone.
I'm a bike rider from sunny South Africa. I have been looking into electric for some time now, but there isn't very much available here. I rode the Zero S, DS and FX on Saturday and am very impressed.
So I'm here to find out as much about electric as I can so that I ca hopefully end up going that way.
Thanks for having me.
Have an awesome day.
B-)
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Welcome B! I'm new around here and trying to learn more about the electric bikes as well. Which of the Zero's did you enjoy the most? What are you riding now?
Anyway, enjoy the forum, and safe riding!
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Hello,
I am new here. I currently drive everyday a Sym JoyMax/GTS Scooter (about 15.000 km / year) and I am looking to an electric motorcycle since a few months now ...
With 40 km x 2 daily, and partially highway, I need a fast and mid-range engine. Currently I am looking to a Zero S, but also to the ZEV LRC10, but don't find enough feedback about this last one ... http://zelectricvehicle.com/22.html (http://zelectricvehicle.com/22.html)
I wouldn't end up like the Vectrix story with a device without support even if specs are very attractive !
I hope to collect info about this ZEV here ...
Have a nice day !
Alain
Belgium / Europe
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Hello,
I am new here. I currently drive everyday a Sym JoyMax/GTS Scooter (about 15.000 km / year) and I am looking to an electric motorcycle since a few months now ...
With 40 km x 2 daily, and partially highway, I need a fast and mid-range engine. Currently I am looking to a Zero S, but also to the ZEV LRC10, but don't find enough feedback about this last one ... http://zelectricvehicle.com/22.html (http://zelectricvehicle.com/22.html)
I wouldn't end up like the Vectrix story with a device without support even if specs are very attractive !
I hope to collect info about this ZEV here ...
Have a nice day !
Alain
Belgium / Europe
Hi Alain,
You could test ride the BMW C EVOLUTION or are you intentionally looking. For a motorcycle in stead of a scooter?
You should also check out Brammo because until the end of this month you will get a HUGE discount!
Good luck
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Hello,
With 40 km x 2 daily, and partially highway, I need a fast and mid-range engine. Currently I am looking to a Zero S, but also to the ZEV LRC10, but don't find enough feedback about this last one ... http://zelectricvehicle.com/22.html (http://zelectricvehicle.com/22.html)
Alain
Belgium / Europe
I have heard of ZEV from people who work for the company, but never from anyone who actually has one of their maxi-scooters. Zero usually has a promotion at the end of the year to discount last year's motorcycles and Brammo is having a fire sale right now if you don't mind 6 gears on an electric motor. Also in Europe the BMW C-evolution is a good option.
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Hello,
I prefer a scooter because it is what I know / use :-) (brakes at hand) but I can also adapt my self to use a motorcycle. I did not investigate the BMW C due to its price.
At MSRP $13,990, the 10 KW ZEV LRC 10 can achieve 225 km/140 miles at 55 mph and 129 km/80 miles at 70 mph; the top speed is "only" 130 kph / 80 mph; I also like the storage space under seat (bigger than in my current already-maxi-scooter !); looking to Zero or other means to add extra storage so extra bucks ...
I got also the discount info from Zero, allowing to have the 2014 11.4 at the 8.5 price (still about $3000 more than the ZEV); I didn't look at Brammo as it was even more priced...
The only fear about the ZEV is the support: compared to the Zero marketing/web site/dealer network, it looks ... well ... like a "one person company" ? I can be wrong but ...
EDIT: indeed, Brammo is doing nice prices for 2014 models:
Model Normal Retail Price Promo Retail Price!
2014 Empulse $16,995.00 $11,995.00
2014 Empulse R $18,995.00 $13,995.00
So, the Empulse is about the same price than the ZEV !!!
Indeed, strange this gearbox on an electrical vehicle !
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Hallo, I write from Switzerland and I own a Zero DS from november 2012 (I never drove any other moto before as having an electric one is my dream since I was a child, I could never drive polluting...).
I waited a lot of years before finding a good compromise of quality, autonomy and weight and I think the Zero DS from 2012 is the best choice for me (newer ones are too much heavy and with this tallness it's difficult for a girl to maneuver the moto if you sit on it), even if I would need a little bit more autonomy.
Thanks for creating this forum!
Mirai
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Speaking of Zero prices, I was at my Zero dealer today and noticed two very clean 2011 used Zeros on the showroom floor(one red and one black). I still like the looks (if not the performance) of that model. The dealer was asking $6000 USD for the bikes. I would think they could be quite useful for someone living in San Francisco.
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Hi. Have just bought a Zero S in Richmond Vic.
How many of the are there in Australia at the moment.
Love it :)
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Hi everyone! Been looking at electric motorcycles for about 4 years and finally felt the technology was mature enough to take the plunge. Will be picking up my new Orange 2015 Zero DS ZF9.4 either this Saturday or next depending on when it arrives at the dealer. Whoohooo!
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You are right to consider support. I bought a Zero 2012 ZF9 in May in mint condition. I have put only 2000 miles on the clock and the battery failed. Zero want something approaching 6,000 dollars to fix it. Love electric, but please be realistic about the possible downside with any company with immature support.
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Hi everyone. I'm a 33 years old biker, currently driving a BMW F800st everyday, and I'm interested in an electric bike since I noticed that I only use it for commuting in the few last years (sorry for my English, I'm French, but I hope you will understand me).
So, I'm looking at a Zero S, and I have a few questions, especially I would like to know if it can sleep outside, under a cover (canvas sheet?) cause I don't have a garage, just a small closed yard.
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Hi everyone. I'm a 33 years old biker, currently driving a BMW F800st everyday, and I'm interested in an electric bike since I noticed that I only use it for commuting in the few last years (sorry for my English, I'm French, but I hope you will understand me).
So, I'm looking at a Zero S, and I have a few questions, especially I would like to know if it can sleep outside, under a cover (canvas sheet?) cause I don't have a garage, just a small closed yard.
Welcome Zorgalouf. (Your English is fine.) A Zero should be OK stored outside, as long as the weather doesn't get much below 0 degrees C, you can keep it plugged in and your storage area is well vented to prevent condensation buildup under the cover. Considering the cost of your purchase, you might want to consider investing in one of those semi-permanent motorcycle enclosures that are on the market. Many have a solid floor and a folding heavy fabric tent material supported by a metal frame that opens and closes like a clam shell, which can be locked to the base. Some also have a small electric fan to vent the enclosure or use drying chemicals to keep any condensation at bay. Expect to pay between 300 and 500 Euros for a good one that will last for years and stand up to the elements.
Alternately, you could make a stand-alone motorcycle garage from a large plastic tool shed, as sold by most large hardware stores.
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Richard230 : Thank you for your answer. We do have a few days under 0°C here, but it is not that often.
My motorcycle is currently outside, but i will (one day or another) build a shell for it, i'm thinking just a roof and 2 walls (because this is the only thing i can do in my little yard), so it seems to be ok for the Zero too.
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Hi everyone, we are ATS motorcycles, from France.
Our shop is specialized in Harley Davidson and Triumph. But since more than 3 years, we start selling EM. Zero Motorcycles and Brammo (more recently).
We have now a great vision on French market for this type of product. We are not here to sell you product, but just for talking if you have any questions.
See you soon !
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Hi everybody,
I have made a couple of posts here so I thought I should say hi. I love the forum, I have already had significant help, which was nice since I am so new on the scene.
I live in Australia (Down Under) where the zero is an expensive machine. I personally have always ridden bikes more like the Yamaha RZ 500, I have owned two of those. One new one back in 85 and a second hand one much later. For those of you too young to know what I am talking about, they were a 500 cc V4 liquid cooled two stroke, based on GP bikes. The RZ 500s were faster than the 900 cc and 1000 cc 4 strokes of their day, defeating the GPZ900R and VF1000 Hondas at the Hub 300 and Castrol 6 hour races. Therefore I can't be accused of having being environmentally friendly as such, though I am making an effort to do better.
My brother invested in a Zero DS back in 2010, paying a huge sum for it new. No tax rebates, instead additional taxes and duties made it an expensive bike indeed. Twice what you would pay in California for one. My brother blogged about his DS before he even got it and he loved it dearly. It has since died. The DS IMHO wasn't really well designed for Australia "dirt" riding. Too much dirt involved, hence as it turned out the motor didn't like dirt, funny that.
Therefore I am now taking possession of another "brother hand me down". My brother is very kindly giving me the bike to have, if I can fix it and let him ride it again. He has other bikes and a car and isn't really that motivated or equipped to get it going again. It died a couple of years ago now and he didn't want to pay what they were asking for another motor!! They are expensive in Oz. His misfortune is my good fortune. With solar panels, surplus power, an interest and skill in electronics and all things mechanical, this seems like an ideal project for me.
Converting a DS into something more like an RZ EV would be the fantasy I suppose. The reality is that I will be glad if I can get it running again, then later I will see what I can do with it. Then I can have my evil genius moments after that. :D
Cam
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Hey folks, I'm recent owner of a 2014 Brammo Empulse R press bike. I made the purchase before all the recent hubub with Polaris, but even then the writing was on the wall, so I knew full well what I was getting into.
I've been following electric bikes ever since they came on the scene. Generally speaking, I'm not much of an early adopter, but something has always resonated about the idea. I remember being blown away by the initial sketches of the Empulse and eagerly waiting for the reviews to start pouring in. It took a while, but once they finally hit the market, I was in love. Wes Siler's review for the long lamented Hell for Leather website really sealed it for me. Unfortunately at $19k it's been completely out of my price range. When the Brammo fall promo came around, I called up our local dealer (Eurosports) and they had a 13 Empulse R demo in stock. I took a test ride, loved it....but still just couldn't pull the trigger. Finally seeing the press bikes come up, that was it, I could almost justify it to my wife :) Anyway, I'm seriously excited, this winter has been agonizing, but I can't wait to start zipping around all over the place and freaking people out with tie fighter stealthiness.
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Greetings from Wisconsin
I have a 2011 DS with 6500 miles. I started modding my bike in 2013 and have made some mistakes and assumptions along the way. I'm joining to share information and knowledge that I have gained and to interact with an audience that has the same passion for riding and modifying a unique motorcycle that takes two wheels to a level most will never experience or understand.
joe
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Hey Coal,
My wife is from Wisconsin, though we live in Australia (I am from Oz). Her family is still there, her mom lives in Brookfield. My wife and I were married in Waukesha. It was a little difficult at first, I had to learn to speak American, but I am right now and can say words like tire instead of tyre.... ;)
I would think you would be pretty cold on your DS right now. I didn't know you could get ice spike tires to suit a DS ;)
I have a 2010 DS but it is still dead as of now :(
Cheers,
Cam
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Hi Cam,
Your talking my neck of the woods in WI. Plenty of ice on most lakes here, but that is an older picture of one of my other bikes with ice tires. I should be out there riding today. :'(
Sorry to hear about your DS. It is an awesome machine, you need to revive it.
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Hey Coal,
Yeah, the plan is to resuscitate the DS. It is only a matter of time. Like most things in life...
WI is cold. Especially for someone like me, from Oz. My wife finds it hot here most of the time, even though we live in a cooler "Mountain" area (the Southern Highlands) (read large hills) Australia is pretty flat.... We get a bit of snow here once every few years. A light dusting at most usually....
We can ride all year here ;D, Without the risk of frostbite!!! :-\
Cam 8)
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Whats up Cam,
WI is warming up, it was only a matter of time. We ride here all year but have some time off during ice forming and thawing. We try to battle the frostbite with fire and warm clothing. I have heated grips that give me some flexibility. It's all worth it when you get that sensation of two wheel performance that puts you in the zone of what we cyclists crave. Pushing the limits.
Coal
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This is what it is like when it is cold here :D
Cam
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Greetings from Los Angeles!
I've been lurking for some time now. But I recently picked up a Zero XU 2.8 from the "buy/sell/trade" sub-forum, so now I feel like I belong and should post! ;D
I've been wanting to purchase an EV since I started riding a year ago, but have been patiently waiting for a deal on a used bike. My previous bikes were older, high-mileage Ducatis. First was a Monster (too cramped), second was a Multistrada (comfy, but kinda heavy), and now the XU.
I'm loving it so far. I swapped out all the red plastics for new black FX fairings and fenders. Next on my list are new tires and maybe a second battery.
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Hey Cam; great to hear about another Aussie with an early DS. I've got a 2010 which I've just sold to s friend who is keen. I did lots of Mod's to get the motor, fusing, filtration and other things right, then it worked a treat, but I stacked it. Almost fixed. But the 2014 got me hook line and sinker.
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Hi everyone. Just joined this forum. I'm based in Perth, Western Australia. I am a longstanding 2012 Volt owner and have just ordered a 2015 Zero SR. This forum has helped a lot with my research of the Zero before buying, so looking forward to the experience. Thanks for your help so far
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Hi guys!
I am from Holland and just bought myself a Zero DS. After a year driving an electric BMW i3, I got addicted to electric driving. I expect this bike within 2-3 weeks. I chose the white one. I dont like both colors so much so I am thinking about wrapping or painting in an other color. I made some samples in PS:
https://plus.google.com/photos/113045058952539372893/albums/6140139576839756625?banner=pwa
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-PizVWV0dvIo/VTYokAQvzJI/AAAAAAACMDI/zd-FrBr677Q/w1182-h844-no/Zero-DS-blauw-2-2.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9mmH8_xNqPY/VTYomaQIk7I/AAAAAAACMDg/96vChpiG1_U/w1182-h844-no/Zero-DS-rood-2-2.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-e9YqeJodCxc/VTYoflw-2-I/AAAAAAACMCM/B5jEvSkvakI/w1182-h844-no/Zero-DS-zwart-2.jpg)
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Hi everyone,
New kid on the block. I am really interested in learning about ebikes. Could anyone please help me get on my feet by offering sources or books that would help me start my journey? I'm an EE major, so technical books are appreciated. Anything helps. I plan to use this forum as well. Awesome resource and I'm sure it's full of awesome people. Thanks.
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Hi everyone,
New kid on the block. I am really interested in learning about ebikes. Could anyone please help me get on my feet by offering sources or books that would help me start my journey? I'm an EE major, so technical books are appreciated. Anything helps. I plan to use this forum as well. Awesome resource and I'm sure it's full of awesome people. Thanks.
Here is another good internet forum resource to check out: http://www.elmoto.net/ (http://www.elmoto.net/)
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;D thanks!
Hi everyone,
New kid on the block. I am really interested in learning about ebikes. Could anyone please help me get on my feet by offering sources or books that would help me start my journey? I'm an EE major, so technical books are appreciated. Anything helps. I plan to use this forum as well. Awesome resource and I'm sure it's full of awesome people. Thanks.
Here is another good internet forum resource to check out: http://www.elmoto.net/ (http://www.elmoto.net/)
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I test rode a 2014 Zero S 11.4 yesterday. It was alot of fun, and I think I'm going to put a deposit down on a 2015 Zero SR. They didn't have an SR for me to test ride though. Before I spoke with the finance manager, I was thinking that the S model was plenty fun enough. Then they showed me what my payments would be on the S and SR models, and it came out to a $40 difference per month. I may be a cheapskate at times, but I don't see any reason to deny myself when all we're talking about is $40. So, I'm probably going to call the dealer today and make a deposit.
Does anyone regret their E-bike purchase?
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Good call Fivespeed, good call. I'm on my 2nd Zero Motorcycle and they both have brought me incredible joy!
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Well done mate. Mines due in mid-June I'm told, cant wait
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Hi all, noobie in this forum. Bought my Zero S last fall and have enjoyed the first 4600 km immensely! Almost 25 years since my last MC (Moto Gucci), and now I am a grown up women well passed 50, but riding a bike again is great fun :) In Oslo, Norway I fill a bit lonely on an ebike, but I get to talk to a lot of curious people. The only other ebike I have seen here is a Zero bike in the Technical Museum!
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Hello another new member here. I'm from the Netherlands an on the fence of buying a Zero to replace my petrol BMW.
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Newbie saying hello! I have a Zero SR w/PP ordered. I live in Western NC, USA and I'm just a few minutes away from Hwy 80, Hwy 226A and Hwy 181 if you're familiar with those sweet roads. I've been riding an '07 KTM 690 SM (the I-Spy one) since it was new and love it. I don't think I can bring myself to part with it so, I'll keep it for the times the SR is just not enough. I think I'm going to really like the SR. :D
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Hello all,
After being on the fence for a long time, bought an Zero DS 2015 today (demo) and traded in my Honda Fury (VT 1300 CXA). I will be using the DS for fun rides and commuting as well.
Greetings from The Netherlands
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Hey! I've been lurking also and just order a 15 Zero S from the guys at Contra Costa Powersports.
Getting rid of my old 01 SV650S and I am super excited.
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Hey! I've been lurking also and just order a 15 Zero S from the guys at Contra Costa Powersports.
Getting rid of my old 01 SV650S and I am super excited.
Welcome! I'm living in Oakland and have taken rides out there and up and down the Wildcat Canyon area in between. I'm hoping to be able to ride through Mt Diablo park and other areas with an upgraded charge setup.
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Hello all,
After being on the fence for a long time, bought an Zero DS 2015 today (demo) and traded in my Honda Fury (VT 1300 CXA). I will be using the DS for fun rides and commuting as well.
Greetings from The Netherlands
That name ;D
Do you commute in the Randstad?
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Hello all,
After being on the fence for a long time, bought an Zero DS 2015 today (demo) and traded in my Honda Fury (VT 1300 CXA). I will be using the DS for fun rides and commuting as well.
Greetings from The Netherlands
That name ;D
Do you commute in the Randstad?
Yes. Hilversum - Amsterdam - Utrecht and A little more south. Will pick up the DS next week and can't wait!
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Met zo veel Nederlanders hier wordt het wel tijd voor een elektrische meetup toch?
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Zeker wel, alleen waar? Iedereen moet het kunnen halen (actieradius) en weer terug.
Of allemaal verdeelblokjes meenemen.. ;)
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Utrecht?
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Yesterday, i picked up my 'new' DS '15 (demo) from the dealer in Amsterdam.
On the way, i was driving my Honda Fury with mixed emotions, as i was going to say goodbye to her and Honda reliability in a couple of moments. Another sad thing was, that it started to rain. I wasn't prepared for such weather. Soon, my nike's, socks, jeans, and not-waterproof motorjacket were soaking wet. As i arrived at the dealership, i wondered if driving the DS back home in weather like this was a good idea at all.. The delivery when smooth and after the paperwork i waited an hour or so for the typical dutch weather to improve. Unfortunately, god had other plans for the evening and as the shop closed doors, i 'fired' up my new bike!
The 45 minute drive home, during the most severe rainstorm in the Netherlands since the beginning of 2015, was a joy. Even with my testicles as wet as the North-Sea, i was smiling. I passed two gas-stations (gas prices in Netherlands double or sometimes nearly triple those in the US) and said some goodbye's to them as well. At the same time i figured it was a good testcase for waterproofing the DS. All went fine and this morning, the Zero woke up as it should.
;D
Greetings from the Netherlands.
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Hello Everyone, I am new here. A supplier with electric scooter. Hope we can learn more from this forum. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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hello I am thinking of starting a conversion on a 1986 Ninja 1000. any thoughts or suggestions?
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hello I am thinking of starting a conversion on a 1986 Ninja 1000. any thoughts or suggestions?
Welcome! Try the homebrew forum section (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?board=11.0).
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Greetings from Norway :)
I just recently bought an almost new 2015 Zero SR as my first motor bike.
I have not yet taken my driving license, but I am looking forward to starting courses when the winter has passed. I have been waiting for the "right incentives" for taking this step for fifteen years (or so), and finally I decided to take the plunge.
My main incentive is commuting to work, battling traffic which tend to jam pretty well during the warm season. I was long pondering on buying an electric scooter or moped to travel to the nearest train station, but it did not seem a good solution overall, as the mopeds seemed weak and I'm not too fond of unreliable crammed public transportation.
So my thoughts wandered along the path of buying an scooter that would take me all the way to work, and while that seemed like a great solution for commuting, my desires went more along in the direction of Zero S which had caught my attention. Now as the cold season was approaching I was pondering on whether I could get a good deal on a 2015 bike -perhaps even an SR if I could stretch my wallet as much.. And that is about how it went- I bought the display model from the dealer at price I almost could afford :P.
There are of course plenty of reasons why I want electric, probably the same as many of you
- it is the ideal ride, silent, little or no pollution..
- cheap to ride (when the bike is bought)
- little maintenance required
- My mind is more geared towards electronics (I'm not a typical petrol-head).
I also figured an electric bike would be the ideal beginner bike as there is no need to fumble with clutch and gears, and having the option to customize the maximum torque output. Not that gears scared me too much - I have to learn to ride a petrol bike anyway to gain the driving permission for a motorbike, but I figure this will be slightly safer and much more fun riding in traffic..
Now the hard part is waiting, having the bike in the shed. I have tried a couple of times making 8's in the local parking lot, but I have to limit myself on that, as it is compulsory to have some tutor / or teacher until the day I have the license in my hand.
Cheers!
-Yngve
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Can't you follow the course on your own bike?
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Can't you follow the course on your own bike?
Well yes, and no. Probably I can follow most of the course on my own bike, however the final exam has to be on an "approved" bike, which clearly states it has to have gears and a few other required customizations (The sensor may choose to be passenger on your ride, and he/she should have some options for taking control of the bike-not sure how) - for all practical purposes this means you rent the exam bike from the school.
The Norwegian regulations on gaining a license for motorbikes are pretty strict and geared towards petrol bikes.
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Nice thing about the Zero is you can "walk it" without any effort to get to those parking lots for practice.
Learning on Zero is good. Dial the Torque back and go exploring. My son learned on our Zero and kindly kept it in "Eco" mode for the first few weeks. He has always driven a manual car, but has yet to learn shifting on a motorcycle.
Being well tested for a motorcycle license is good - Norway (and other Scandinavian countries seem to prefer no one dies on the roads) plus sometime you'll have to ride an ICE.
Like when someone wants to try your Zero and you need to meet them up the road on their bike - you wouldn't want to embarrass yourself being unable to shift.
You'll just be doubly proud when you get your full license.
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Nothing makes me appreciate my zero more than driving in summer heat and traffic!
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Nothing makes me appreciate my zero more than driving in summer heat and traffic!
Amen to that. My wife loves it also since she not getting all that heat for the exhaust when riding with me. Over 1500 miles on it since beginning of September and loving it.
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Hello everyone!
I'm riding regular bike but I'm interested with all what rides on two wheels.
Cheers!
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I have 2 Vectrix that I have resurrected from the dead. And I love them
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Hi All. Just finished my first day with my 2014 ds (police model). Absolutely loving it! I will check back soon when I have some more miles on it!
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Hi all!
V's from a 2012 Zero DS ZF9 that I recently got giving in exchange my '05 R1200GS.
I got it from the friendly and only Zero dealer in this area and rode it 230kms to Malaga where I live.
It took me about 10 hours and a big as*-pain, but finally here we are!
Happy to meet you all.
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Welcome reboot and congrats on becoming a Zero owner. One friendly tip to get you started: don't take that 2012 model out in the rain. The rain in Spain falls mostly on the plain, so hopefully you'll be alright in Malaga. [emoji4]
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Hi All. Just finished my first day with my 2014 ds (police model). Absolutely loving it! I will check back soon when I have some more miles on it!
Welcome. Where do you live Smithard? Country will do. I'm a DSP owner in the UK, just north of London.
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Hello everyone!
I'm riding regular bike but I'm interested with all what rides on two wheels.
Cheers!
Welcome T. I assume you're from the UK? You'll find all you need to know on this forum.
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I have 2 Vectrix that I have resurrected from the dead. And I love them
Welcome Jim, are you planning to by a Zero?
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Welcome reboot and congrats on becoming a Zero owner. One friendly tip to get you started: don't take that 2012 model out in the rain. [emoji4]
Welcome reboot! I rode a 2012 Zero S for several years and had no problems in the rain, happy riding!
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Welcome reboot and congrats on becoming a Zero owner. One friendly tip to get you started: don't take that 2012 model out in the rain. [emoji4]
Welcome reboot! I rode a 2012 Zero S for several years and had no problems in the rain, happy riding!
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Ben certainly did a lot of miles on his bike, so that's some good news.
If you do ride in the rain a lot and suffer problems, keep the bike in a warm dry environment for a few days before you start panicking. A few people here in the UK had problems, but it does rain a lot here.
Richard also has had very few issues with his 2012. I've just heard a few not so good stories. Best of luck, I hope you enjoy it. [emoji4]
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Sage advice.
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Hello all.
First, thanks for the forum, I just got here and already I've found the solution to the first issue I have with my new Zero DSR, how to get a decent wind screen on there so I don't have to tuck down during the majority of my daily 66 mile round trip commute to work.
I live about 30 miles east of Sacramento CA and have been saving up for an electric bike for years in order to cut the cost of the trip to work. Even with the current low gas prices I'm estimating the Zero with pay itself off in 6 years compared to the cost of driving my small truck.
The e-bike bonus for me (as a prepper) is the ability to have a reliable transportation fuel in a SHTF event. The Zero will also help with saving up the funds for a solar installation so I can have a daily supply of fuel.
I'm looking forward to getting to know the members here, and who knows, maybe, hopefully, even contributing to the great content of the forum.
Thanks again,
Baldy
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Greetings from Norway :)
I just recently bought an almost new 2015 Zero SR as my first motor bike.
I have not yet taken my driving license, but I am looking forward to starting courses when the winter has passed. I have been waiting for the "right incentives" for taking this step for fifteen years (or so), and finally I decided to take the plunge.
Cheers!
-Yngve
Do yourself a favor and ALWAYS ride in eco mode when the roads have any moisture whatsoever. You will get over-confident eventually, and that's when the back tire will spin up and side step on you (in sport mode). I have made this mistake more than I'm willing to admit, and I've got over 20,000 miles riding experience. The SR is like a pussy cat, quiet and purrs along...until you do something stupid in sport mode. Then it's like a raging tiger. Eco mode is always a safe bet in inclimate weather conditions.
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Just picked up my new DSR yesterday. Did some riding around in low 40 degree weather yesterday, so far so good. My last bike was a 2002 Honda Magna (sold several years ago). I look forward to getting to know the bike better this summer. I have to say about 60 seconds into the test ride, I knew I was buying one!
Looks like there is a ton of great information here. Thanks to all for providing it!
One quick question. When accelerating hard, there is a little more noise than I would have expected, especially from a dead stop, kind of hard to explain, but a much louder whine than normal. I ordered a belt tensioner today to ensure that is correct. Is this normal?
Steve
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Yes, louder noise under strong acceleration is normal. The dealer told me it was the belt.
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Hi folks,
I have been around the Electric Motorcycle Scene for quite some time and my main focus is on promoting the technology and producing media. You can see my YouTube Channel here…
http://www.youtube.com/evmotorcycle (http://www.youtube.com/evmotorcycle)
Currently (pun intended) I am working on an exciting new documentary idea that involves electric motorcycles. What I am looking to find is whether there are any Electric Motorcycle Owners in the UK, especially around the Birmingham, West Midlands and Wales areas. Oh and also in Ireland.
I would be very keen to catch up with you guys to discuss featuring some of your machines / stories in the documentary.
Please feel free to message me or get in touch.
Thanks
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Hi folks,
I have been around the Electric Motorcycle Scene for quite some time and my main focus is on promoting the technology and producing media. You can see my YouTube Channel here…
http://www.youtube.com/evmotorcycle (http://www.youtube.com/evmotorcycle)
Currently (pun intended) I am working on an exciting new documentary idea that involves electric motorcycles. What I am looking to find is whether there are any Electric Motorcycle Owners in the UK, especially around the Birmingham, West Midlands and Wales areas. Oh and also in Ireland.
I would be very keen to catch up with you guys to discuss featuring some of your machines / stories in the documentary.
Please feel free to message me or get in touch.
Thanks
Hello and welcome! I'm also new to the forum and excited to gain some knowledge in the e-motorcycle world! I'll be sure to check out your youtube page and looking forward to your documentary! Cheers mate :D
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Hi everyone, I bought a used Zero S 2013 in September 2015, because I like the idea of driving more efficient electrically.
There were a few minor problems I had within these few months, but generally I am satisfied with the bike.
Since a few weeks I am a silent readonly user of this great forum.
It teaches me a lot of helpfull informations about my new bike.
Thanks and see you soon,
Michael
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Hi everyone, I bought a used Zero S 2013 in September 2015, because I like the idea of driving more efficient electrically.
There were a few minor problems I had within these few months, but generally I am satisfied with the bike.
Since a few weeks I am a silent readonly user of this great forum.
It teaches me a lot of helpfull informations about my new bike.
Thanks and see you soon,
Michael
Welcome to the forum! I think there are many that prefer to read, and that's perfectly okay.
What general geographical region are you in?
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I live in germany.
Since I am not a natural english speaker I feel much safer in reading than writing postings ;)
But I will take that challenge to be part of it.
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Welcome skyrapper!
Which part of Germany do you come from?
I live near Nuremberg.
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I live in the south of Hamburg.
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Hello All!
I am a long time moto person and I am taking the leap to my first electric. My DSR should be ready to pickup next week. Actually went for the 10th Anniversary edition but hey the thing comes with the charge tank. Though I really like the Diginow and may go that way; the biggest reason for taking the plunge is less wrenching and commuting on the DSR will keep the pressure off my KTM 1190R. I have rolled up 32k miles on it the last two years. I am a crazy farkel nut so hope to control myself on this one but I doubt that is going to happen. Well I will take picks once I pick it up next week. See you in the forum!
PS> I have a Juicebox 40 and a Givi top case coming already... so it begins again.
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Hey There :)
I am 26, Swiss, and driving motorcycles since i am legally allowed to, also 8 Years. I Bought a 2016 Zero SR this month and cant wait to see how this impacts my riding experience. I still have my 2012 KTM SD 990, but may sell it in spring next year when i can fully commit to the electric bike :)
see u arround ;)
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Thanks for starting this forum.
I rode from age 16 to about age 35. My first motorcycle was a YL100, a 2 cylinder 2 stroke 100cc street bike. I graduated to a Kawasaki KZ400 after moving to California. Eventually I traded that in for a KZ550. After several near collisions while commuting I gave up riding for 30 years. I did ride borrowed motorcycles occasionally, but I never stopped longing to be out riding through the twisties.
As of July 6, 2016, I became a motorcycle owner again when I purchased a Zero DS with the 13.0 kwh battery monolith. I am relearning how to ride and overcoming the survival reactions.
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...After several near collisions while commuting I gave up riding for 30 years...
As of July 6, 2016, I became a motorcycle owner again when I purchased a Zero DS with the 13.0 kwh battery monolith. I am relearning how to ride and overcoming the survival reactions.
Welcome back to two wheels! Motorists are more distracted (cell phones, starbucks, loud terrible music) and dangerous than ever before. Be extra careful on the Zero DS when using regen braking like in ECO mode because the brake light fails to alert the traffic behind you. Using the App you can change CUSTOM mode and apply regen only when the brake lever is being used and this will make sure the brake light is active; or if you want there's some aftermarket lighting kit with sensors to activate the brake lights when slowing down. Pedestrians are even more oblivious than the motorists due to distractions and if you blip the horn it can help them know you're there. There is ongoing debate about whether the Zero being so quiet is good or bad near wildlife versus a potato bike; deer don't seem to get startled and bears will give a warning chuff if they see you before they can hear you - totally spooky experience getting warned off two wheels by a bear.
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Hi, just joined this forum as I'm starting to look into the possibility of an electric bike for my commute. I used to ride an Aprilia SXV550 and have been looking at the KTM E SM as a possible replacement. Joined here to try and find out more about these bikes and learn from others experiences. I'm based in London UK. Cheers.
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Hello,
located in Paris, France, I am looking for a Zero bike to get rid of my BMW R1200GS that I do not use anymore for long rides.
I just tested the FXS 6.5 and the DSR, and I honestly prefer the FXS for urban trips.
First impressions are awesome : Incredible power, almost silent, no vibration and, most of all, this is a real bike (Not a scooter !)
Very nice rides to the Zero bikes community,
Olivier
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Hello everybody! Glad to be here hoping to learn, improve and share with you guys!
Riding a 13 Zero DS from Barcelona!
See ya around!
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Hello everyone! Just rode my brand new 2017 Zero DSR into work for the first time and it was amazing. I'm impressed with how solid the bike is, absolutely no vibrations at all.
I have a relatively short commute (for L.A.) at like 6 miles, so I didn't even crack 10% power used to get here. I'm looking forward to getting to know the bike better as I'm now thinking I'll ride it more than my historical average of "most Fridays."
Hope everyone's having a great Xmas and Holiday season.
-Jon
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Hi everybody, hi L.A. Snowman here too... :)
I just posed on the zero-forum. It seems to be a bit dead there.
Anyway, I am just about to received a 2017 DSR and am very excited to become a member of the silent guard :))
I never even thought about wild life encounters of the hopefully not so painful kind with an electric bike.
Anyway, I am looking forward to being a member here.
Cheers
Rider 7 (Oliver)
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Stuart here in sunny Abq, NM. Joined here to hopefully gain additional input as I put together my first e-moto, a 2010 Zero S. I have a thread going on elmoto.net and one on endless-sphere.com, but am not receiving a lot of info...
Goals are 96vdc, about 20kw bldc motor power, a 6kwh battery pack and about 30# less weight.
Happy to be here!
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Hi, just joined this forum as I'm starting to look into the possibility of an electric bike for my commute. I used to ride an Aprilia SXV550 and have been looking at the KTM E SM as a possible replacement. Joined here to try and find out more about these bikes and learn from others experiences. I'm based in London UK. Cheers.
Welcome swerver and everyone else who has recently joined.
I'm based in St Albans, is that anywhere near you? I'm coming up to a year and 10,000 miles on a 2014 DS. I love it and it's perfect for my commute into London.
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Hi, just joined this forum as I'm starting to look into the possibility of an electric bike for my commute. I used to ride an Aprilia SXV550 and have been looking at the KTM E SM as a possible replacement. Joined here to try and find out more about these bikes and learn from others experiences. I'm based in London UK. Cheers.
I'm also near London in Redhill, Surrey. Just ordered a Zero FXS to replace my Aprilia Dorsoduro. (I love the SXV - they look amazing, but they definitely aren't a reliable commuter.) The FXS is similar to the KTM E-SM, but is available in the UK and now has £1500 off due to the UK subsidy. :-)
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Hi all, just bought 2016 DSR. The test ride and the ride home was amazing, best motorcycle I've ever ridden
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Hi all, just bought 2016 DSR. The test ride and the ride home was amazing, best motorcycle I've ever ridden
Hi Giant Bryan !
Awesome!
I get to ride my DSR home this week.
I was thinking about buying the 2016, but took the plunge and went 2017.
I spent a coupl of hours test riding all Zero bikes last year and had this feeling that it actually distills the most amazing aspects of riding which turns out not to be the ruckus regular bikes make.
Although I still understand the appeal of a roaring visceral engine, I think I won't miss it, since so many other amazing aspects take over on the zero bike with its power.
Have fun all year !
Rider7
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Hello all,
I'm Hubert from Alsace, eastern France, close to the german border (Rhine river). Involved since 2008 in smokeless transportations with tens of thousands of km or miles pedaled on powerfull electric bicycles. Also purchased a used chinese electric scooter and made some mods on it. It worked well a couple of years before it broke down. Also owning an electric car. The fantastic "not as small as it looks" i-MiEV and previously the same in a rebadged euro version "Citroen C-Zero".
Also using a velomobile, muscle-only superfast and comfortable streamlined tricycle, which now gets some competition from my new '2014 Zero S, which is too easy to use. Every morning, for commuting, it will be a heartbraking choice between the fat-reducing "human powered vehicle" and the so funny Zero S!
Purchased the Zero from a guy who moved to Hong Kong, but lived in Paris. Driving it home from Paris to Alsace was a 500km (300mi) trip at slow speed with loooong idle times at the EV charging stations, took me 1.5 cold days.
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Welcome Hubert, you certainly pass the bonkers test, so I'm sure you'll fit in well here. :-)
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Hello all! just purchased a 2013 Zero DS and looking forward to all the fun rides and mods I will get to do. This is new territory to me as I am used to riding Ducati's and tearing into the engine and buying parts like new cams and light flywheels. First thing I want to do is upgrade the suspension. For now I will lurk and learn about the bike.
Hello from San Francisco Bay Area.
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Hello all! just purchased a 2013 Zero DS and looking forward to all the fun rides and mods I will get to do. This is new territory to me as I am used to riding Ducati's and tearing into the engine and buying parts like new cams and light flywheels. First thing I want to do is upgrade the suspension. For now I will lurk and learn about the bike.
Hello from San Francisco Bay Area.
Hello from Oakland! I have a 13DS and 16DSR. There's a Facebook group for organizing electric group rides to Alice's Restaurant one Saturday a month if you're up for that.
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Thanks for the welcome BrianTRice, I will look for the group rides to alices. Been there a few times in the past. I may have to truck the bike to the starting point as sonoma to alices may be a bit far for the DS. See you in the 2013+ forum section.
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hello Folks,
My name is Erik.
I'm going to buy my first e-motorbike.. did you heard something about this? it seems awesome!
Thank you in advance.
http://newatlas.com/italian-volt-lacama-electric-custom-motorcycle/48458/ (http://newatlas.com/italian-volt-lacama-electric-custom-motorcycle/48458/)
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Cool design, I like it.
Thanks for sharing E-Boy and welcome to the electricians ;D
Rider7
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Howdy All,
New to the motorcycle world and about to take delivery of a 2017 Zero SR. Looking forward to learning on the streets of Hollywood!
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Welcome Alec,
I am a newby too to this forum.
You'll love it here and your SR.
The people here are really helpful with anything you need.
Rider 7
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Thank you for the warm welcome Rider 7!
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Alec,
you'll find hundreds of threads here where people keep on discussing without drifting off into forum typical primitive fights.
It might be the fact that most people here seem to have a more eclectic taste in things for life and are more equipped with brain than the typical fastfood herds.
It is by far the best forum I have ever been a member of.
When do you take delivery of your SR?
Rider 7
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Hi folks, I am new here in the forum, not new in e-bikes. 6 weeks ago I changed a Zero DS 2013 to a DS-R 2016. Thanks Zero for that offer. The first 1000km are done, and I am astonished how far the improvements were in 3 years.
The Zero is an optimal town- and fun-bike. For hollidays i have a Yamaha FJR.
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Hi folks, I am new here in the forum, not new in e-bikes. 6 weeks ago I changed a Zero DS 2013 to a DS-R 2016. Thanks Zero for that offer. The first 1000km are done, and I am astonished how far the improvements were in 3 years.
The Zero is an optimal town- and fun-bike. For hollidays i have a Yamaha FJR.
Tigerbike,
Thanks for pointing out how far they got by now. I am not sure if I would have been able to drop still quite a bit of money on a zero then with considerably less performance and range.
Thanks to every real early adopter here, you made it happen for the late comers like me.
Rider7
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Newbie here, about the pull the trigger on a 17' Zero FX, went a month or so ago to buy but walked out with a 17 KTM Duke 690, cool bike but should've bought the Zero, so now I'll have both:) Lots and lots of petrol cycle experience, worked in the industry for many years (now a mailman), road raced, blah blah blah. Happy to be here, looks fun but maybe a little intimidating with all the electric/computer talk, I hope I can wrap my pea brain around it all...
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Ireek,
welcome !
the good thing sort of is that the zeros are almost maintence free, but when something goes wrong with the electric bits and pieces that are part of the drive train, you cannot really do anything unless you have the electrical tools to do it and the training, so it's kind of out of your hands anyway then.
That is what I am really happy that I have a generation 2017 that seems to be one of the most developed, duhhh.... newest model.... and it seems to be a dead on reliable platform by now.
I almost pulled the trigger on the same Duke, but can't afford both.
Lucky you :)
Rider7
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rider 7
you are talking about early-adopters, but the first electric cars were buildt in the beginning of 20th century or a short time before.
Early adopters do not have both technologies ( electric and gas ) as I do. I just see, what technology works where best. For a long road trip across the alps, I will use the FJR, not the Zero. And I have a Diesel-car too, for working, if I have to travekl a few 100kms to the customer.
Nanoflowcell is not availlable until now. There I could imagine to be an eally-adopter ( http://www.nanoflowcell.com/ (http://www.nanoflowcell.com/) ).
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Grüssgott tigerbike, not from the kangaroo country! I hope you do your best (with the DSR) to use the diesel car as seldom as possible. I also own a diesel car and use it maybe 4 times a year a thousand km at a time. Otherwise this smoking car is occasionally used by other people through a rental contract. Since the Zero is not really a family vehicle, a small electric 4-seater i-MiEV is really top-notch for everyday commuting and shopping. Not much more expensive than a Zero. Cheers
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Grüssgott tigerbike, not from the kangaroo country! I hope you do your best (with the DSR) to use the diesel car as seldom as possible. I also own a diesel car and use it maybe 4 times a year a thousand km at a time. Otherwise this smoking car is occasionally used by other people through a rental contract. Since the Zero is not really a family vehicle, a small electric 4-seater i-MiEV is really top-notch for everyday commuting and shopping. Not much more expensive than a Zero. Cheers
Grüssgott hubert, my diesel car is a necessety for my job ( medical technitian, mainly for diagnostic ultrasound ) its a shame, but i have days with 1000 km, not weeks. So the Diesel makes 30-35.000 km a year. There is no electric technology availlable to fit my needs, including pulling a 1 ton car trailer for a few 100 kms. The DSR is for everything in range of appx 60km without need of transportation big things.
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About five years ago after getting stuck in traffic for well over two hours the umpteenth time I decided to act upon my burning jealousy towards all those two-wheeled lane splitters happily driving past me. Fast forwarding to 2017 I’m still lane splitting through traffic jams while laughing like Agent Smith from The Matrix ( https://youtu.be/E2c32SvJf54 )
... it was time to combine this with my lifelong passion: electricity and electronics.
So, for several weeks now, I am the pride owner of a brand new Zero SR 2017.
Since the (virtually exclusive) use of the bike will be the daily commute, I added a few options to my purchase for extra comfort and safety, most important of them being:
Touring windscreen
Crash bars
Front fog lights
Top case
Additional breaking lights mounted on the top case
And some minor options.
And because I want to be able to learn more about my bike, I joined this community.
… Hi everyone ;D
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Welcome Gap. Happy to have you aboard. I hope you enjoy your Zero as much as I enjoy mine. :)
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Welcome Gap. Happy to have you aboard. I hope you enjoy your Zero as much as I enjoy mine. :)
Thanks Richard.
I do enjoy my Zero a lot, but unfortunately I must presume (for the time being) not as much as you.
see http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=6824.0 (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=6824.0)
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Hello Everybody,
My name is Harry, I just registered as "Hybrid".
I live in Holland and ride a 2014 Zero S 14.2 which I use for daily commuting and hobby rides.
Since my first electric ride back in 2008 I am convinced electric propulsion is he future. I hope to learn from and contribute to this interesting forum. :)
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Hi Hybrid,
a high five from a "zuiderbuur" to a "noorderbuur" ;)
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Hello to all,
I'm Peter and new in this forum.I drive a SR '15 for a little over a year. I live in the southwest of Germany between Karlsruhe and Stuttgart and I am 55 years old. I quit motorcycling about 25 years ago. I commuted for years to work by bicycle, e-bike and e-velomobile, those 3-wheeled closed recumbent bikes.
Then I was looking for a more comfortable and quicker vehicle so I had a look on e-scooters. In the shop I saw a zeromotorcycle the first time. Mmmh interresting a real full motorcycle. Dealer said have a try. I did.
I was fixed at once. The acceleration,no shifting,this other beautiful electric sound, 180kg,beltdrive ect.ect
but whom do I tell it.
I love driving my bike daily the whole year for now 11500km and dont wanna miss it.
thats for the moment from me see you Peter
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Great story Peter and welcome.
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Hey mostlybonkers,
thank you for the welcome. Read about your trouble to get a new wheel for your bike.
Hope you get it back on the road soon. P.
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Hello, Just order my 2017 Zero SR this weekend. Looking forward to the fun! This forum had lots of good information that helped me make the final decision. Thanks for posting all this information.
GadgetGuy5
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Greetings!
I registered here a few days ago, thought I'd introduce myself now. My name is Michael, I live in far northern California, just a stone's throw from the Oregon border. I have been toying with the idea of buying an e-bike for a few years. At first I thought I wanted a Brammo as they're made very near here, then they messed up and put a gearbox on their bike. ???
Recently a local shop (100 miles) became a Zero dealer. I took my wife in to show her the pretty red SR, and before I knew it she was sitting at the salesman's desk filling out papers!! Gotta love her, but I wasn't quite ready financially, so I cooled her jets. This morning I scheduled a demo ride during a Zero demo day next month. I'm pretty sure once I ride one there will be no looking back!
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Welcome, Michael!
I do hope you realize you already have the rest of us green with envy....you have a wife that wants you to have an SR even more than you want one!
There's nothing wrong with "pretty" and "red", but you'll find these are two of the least of the charms of the SR. Quiet, reliable, extremely cheap to run, pushing a critical technology forward, these are all great too, but still maybe not at the top of my list. My favorite aspects of my (2014, so yours will be better on all counts) SR are:
3) Torque...but this is like no torque you've experienced. From a dead stop (maximum torque at 0 rpm vs. no torque at 0 rpm for an ICE) up through freeway speeds, there's no need to wonder how much torque you have available -- you have full torque available, period. You won't believe how much of an impact that has on your riding. There's torque, there's always torque.
2) Simplicity. This informs maintenance, operational ease, weight, cost, and many other factors. I've performed belt tightenings, check my tire pressure regularly, and stay on top of my brake pads. Oh, and brake fluid. There's not much else to do except ride the bike. No fuel or oil filters, no ignition system, no intake/carburetion, no exhaust, whole systems that don't exist and therefore can't wear out or malfunction.
1) This is largely a result of number 3), but it's the thing I've come to love most about my bike. It's sheer responsiveness. If you're in the second lane of the freeway, and you realize your offramp is coming up, but there's a truck in your way, roll it on. You'll get there better than just about any other vehicle. The always-there torque is a huge factor, of course, but so is the complete lack of throttle lag. EV owners never have conversations about "throttle response", because the concept doesn't exist for EVs. The SR is a quick-steering bike, with a responsive steering geometry (though it's stable enough for freeway comfort), and that magical throttle response means the bike just about reads your mind.
Notice I never mentioned clean air, the carbon cycle, or inconvenient truths about frogs in boiling water. Those are all great, but I'm a motorcyclist, and for me, it's all about the ride. So I say, let the ride convince you. Throw a leg (or yours and your wife's) over one.
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Thank you for the welcoming reply Doug.
You were preaching to the choir a little bit though. I'm convinced! I'm convinced!
There are so many advantages really, but the one that stands out for me the most is the low maintenance. I am so sick and tired of drive chain maintenance alone. Don't even get me started on the Ducati's desmodromic valve lash adjustments, and cam drive belt replacements! I do all of my own routine maintenance, so with three bikes in the garage...
Right now I'm just having a hard time wrapping my brain around the initial cost. It will be more than twice what I've ever paid for a motorcycle in the past. And I know it's a false comparison, but my bank account doesn't understand that.
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Hello people!
I'm Jorg (38) from Norway. Just ordered a DS 2017. Never owned a motorcycle before. In the process of selling my old gas-guzzling Audi (1 liter pr 10 km on a good day.). And getting my license. Which takes a little while, having never ridden two wheels before.
Excited like a teenager to get the Zero. And also really glad to see such a friendly community of people here! My instructor says bikers are a friendly lot. So far not proven wrong.
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Welcome, Jorg! Enjoy your new Zero, stay safe and visit us often. :)
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@ DougS
I am not a native-speaker in English, and your acronyms drive me grazy sometimes. WTF means ICE?? In Germany it means a train, which is very speedy.
I#ve tried to google it, but after 4 pages, it gets boring, when nothing seems to fit exactly.
Seems to be a combustion engine, but what is the I?
greez
Harald
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ICE = Internal Combustion Engine :) Took me a little while to figure out as well.
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Why not just say "smoking"?
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ICE = Internal Combustion Engine :) Took me a little while to figure out as well.
I wanna see an ECE (External Combustion Engine ) in ääh at a vehicle. And I do NOT talk about electric railways with combustion engine-driven generators. *lool*
Thanks for fast response, Jorg.
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Why not just say "smoking"?
My DS-R is also smoking, but only "electrosmog(ke)". Could be mixed up.
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ICE = Internal Combustion Engine :) Took me a little while to figure out as well.
Not the best acronym. Let's avoid it. : - )
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Welcome, Michael!
I do hope you realize you already have the rest of us green with envy....you have a wife that wants you to have an SR even more than you want one!...
... So I say, let the ride convince you. Throw a leg (or yours and your wife's) over one.
Well I rode one, twice, and sure enough there was no looking back. I rode down yesterday and gave my "local" Zero dealer a down payment and ordered my SR! ;D
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ICE = Internal Combustion Engine :) Took me a little while to figure out as well.
I wanna see an ECE (External Combustion Engine ) in ääh at a vehicle. And I do NOT talk about electric railways with combustion engine-driven generators. *lool*
Thanks for fast response, Jorg.
I have once seen a steam-driven motorcycle, but I do not think you had that in mind. :)
Ref https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_combustion_engine
Internal combustion was a big deal when it overtook external combustion... but yeah, motorcycling is better without explosions to manage.
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Thanks for the add!! I am in the market for a used electric motorcycle. I live in the San Diego area. If anyone happens to see a sweet deal on one please let me know :)
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Hello everybody,
I am a new member. I am a girl and I am crazy about motorcycle, but unfortunately in my country motorcycle driving is forbidden for women.
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Hello everybody,
I am a new member. I am a girl and I am crazy about motorcycle, but unfortunately in my country motorcycle driving is forbidden for women.
Welcome Night Sky. I hope your country's driving regulations change soon. Perhaps you can ride off public roadways legally? Alternately, an electric bicycle or moped could be the way to go. :)
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If you plan to emigrate and need a sponsor I'll bet we can find someone.
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Figured I should finally introduce myself. I've been a part of two university electric motorcycle teams in the last few years, and just recently had the incredible good fortune of buying one of the project bikes from my school after many of the electric vehicle team members graduated, and the team shifted back towards electric cars for their next project.
So I have a 2016 Zero FXS that has low (but pretty hard) miles on it, and has been wrenched on by students with varying levels of attention to detail (e.g., they lost the ABS unit after removing it from the bike). I'm working to get it back into street-running shape (sans ABS for now), and this forum has already been really useful to start troubleshooting some of the problems I've had.
While working on my past electric motorcycle projects, I've usually been "the motorcycle guy," and haven't gotten too deep into the electric powertrain systems. Now, that gets to change. I'm working on getting together what I need to talk to the SEVCON controller, and hope to get to know the Zero battery and powertrain systems a lot better.
Also, I'm hoping to put together what I need to swap the FXS between supermoto and dirt configurations. I currently have a DR-Z400 that I use for off-road trail riding, but I'll sell the DR-Z if the Zero can fill both roles with a little more than a wheel swap. The wheels are one thing (a $500 thing, if I get the wheels new), but I think the front brake caliper location is going to be the complicated part. I'll be posting on the Zero board about that before long.
So that's me. Great to be here, and looking forward to the ride!
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Awesome to have your here, rcavetroll. Keep us advised of your progress, and please refer to zeromanual.com where we collect what we know about maintenance and repair, and put your discoveries there as well.
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hello everybody,
I live in south of france .I have a ZERO DS 2014 buy a month later at 3000km.Great bike .
Have a nice day
regards
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3000km in one month? awesome.
Did you buy it used, or did you get a new one so late?
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...just found this forum and will see what I can learn, and possibly contribute.
I bought an Alta Redshift MX a year ago. My TMRacing and KTM 250 two strokes are getting neglected because I preferr the Alta. I just hit 2000 miles and replaced the rear tire. Ah, and I just had a rear hand brake installed. Wow. What a difference.
I am in San Jose and ride regularly at Metcalf, Hollister and Carnegie. I hope to see some of you guys in the real world.
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Welcome Butch. Yeah, hard to beat Electric. Lots of us have neglected gas bikes. You just ride off-road?
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Welcome Butch. Yeah, hard to beat Electric. Lots of us have neglected gas bikes. You just ride off-road?
I have a sport bike and a motard and I regularly enjoy the twisties. We have some great racetracks around here too.
Yesterday I rode the tard (TM Black Dream) but today I will ride the Alta...
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I found this forum wandering around the internet. I recently got a 2017 ktm battery free ride. Over 300 miles at this point. Ride almost exclusively on private land. The rear brake on the handlebar has made me pretty much stop riding anything else. I shrunk a smat phone picture for an avatar but the avatars here are real timy.
Form still owned by the same guy who started it 10 or so years ago?
I am interested in discussing the possible future of electric bikes. be it diesel generator and battery or just battery or even fuel cell.
I test rode a Zero FX but the suspention and crash durability seem much more to my needs with the ktm. The ALTA while more advanced is too heavy especially for the cost.
I will try and add my avatar picture here to start.
It does not appear this forum has galleries for members.
I see a modifly function I am using now, like an edit elsewhere, how long before that function disappears?
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Hi, thanks to add me as member.
New french owner of a 2017 Zero S 13kWh leaving Ouest France.
Happy to read here informations on Zero and particularly on DigiNow :)
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I have been poking around here. This is a good site. Pretty impressive.
I am very active on bayarearidersforum.com so I have posted a linky to here for those who have interest in electrons. http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=505668
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Hi all. I'm an old fart 69.....riding every year for 51 years. Lately i'm getting intrigued with the e-bikes...especially the zero FXS 7.2. I currently ride a highly modified 2015 Yamaha FZ07....but at my age find myself only doing short rides of 50 miles or so. After all the research...I am drawn to the ZERO FXS 7.2. I can't spend 10k for a new one....so i'm looking for a used one to buy. If you have a 2017 or 2018 ZERO FXS 7.2...let me know. I'm in Atlanta Georgia...and i'm ready to buy right now.
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Hi Butch. I'm a bay area guy too, have perused BARF sometimes. Good to see you here.
We do rides sometimes, indeed this Sunday we are going riding from Livermore to
Carnegie SVRA, 22 miles including Tesla Rd. I imagine we should post on BARF too,
the e-moto people are invited, and the e-curious as well. Usually the participants
are Zero riders, but we've had Energica and ZEV and Harley folks as well.
Hi ZRESTO, CHL, Fran, as well. Good to have you in the forum.
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Welcome Forum People. I'm (soonish) going to be a KTM Freeride-e owner. My finger is itching on the new 2018 with the extra range and the chance to lease batteries by the month. I tend to do small competitions offroad but the road manners and ability to register it wont hurt if I want to drive to the shops on it. I'm also looking to charge the bike with my solar panels and, when required, take an inverter generator with me to events with a spare battery. Champion do a 3.1KW/13A charger so I might give that a go.
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Heya. Calamarichris in Carlsbad here, looking forward to test-riding a Zero SR down in San Diego this weekend. Been riding and wrenching for decades, but my commute is so short, I feel pretty foolish starting an internal combustion engine to make it.
Have over a quarter million miles and 16 broken bones behind me (hence the chopped & fried squid reference), and I figure there must be something to this electric torque after having a Tesla keep up with my BMW F800GT. Also have an old carbureted 02 ZX9R with 88,000 miles on it.
Will probably have some questions in the future, especially about getting my dog to work on this bike. If anyone finds themselves in Carlsbad needing a charge, shoot me an email: calamarichris@yahoo.com
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Hi all,
I'm a Bay Area vendor for the Ubco 2x2 and found this forum while educating myself on e-bikes. So far my only riding experience (gas or electric) is with Ubco's dual electric drive on a beach and some trails during a camping trip to the Lost Coast. So, it's been fun reading about some of the different bikes occupying other niches of the motorcycle market. I know this is a biased audience, but I can't stop telling everyone I know what a game changer electric motorcycles are! (again, my experience comes from cycling and mountain biking rather than gas bikes... but still!)
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Greetings to all you good folks. Great to be here.
I'm brand new to this forum and wanted to introduce myself. I do not YET have an electric bike (I do have an electric car and an ICE bike), but I'm hoping to change that soon. I can see there is so much great information here and I look forward to reading the various posts. I have been researching E-bikes for the past couple of years and have an idea of what I'm looking for. So it'll be great to get some opinions. I'm located in Alaska where any EV is rare, but they are starting to get some attention.
Anyway, it's great to be here and thank you for sharing your knowledge.
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Hey what’s up everybody!
I guess I should start with that I’m totally new to motorcycles let alone electric motorcycles, which actually sparked my interest being all electric. I just bought a 2014 Zero S from a close friend and I figured I’d come and check out how to fix a few problems plus see what the latest and greatest mods are. I’m excited! ;D
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Welcome!
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Hi everyone,
I've been toying with the idea if an e-moto for a long time. Bought plans for the el-chopper but haven't been settled enough to build it.
Will be moving back to Canada, and decided to get a Rumble as my commuter. Its a small bike/scooter with a 100km/60mile max range, and 70kmh/44mph top speed.
It has a speaker for those who want to be heard.
I like the odd design and leading link front suspension.
I'm looking forward to starting my ev journey.
Future ambitions include getting a hybrid or ev car of some sort. Also, I'm toying with the 'what if I could get a Johammer J1 chassis' idea. I have an idea of what I'd like to do to the body.
Concerns... The demise if Brammo and all the issues with the Zeros have me worried. I like things that last, having owned several old/vintage ICE bikes and cars. $16000 on a Honda and I know it should be around in 20 years. That doesn't seem to be so with the modern electric vehicles. (As compared to 100 year old electric cars). What happened?
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I think it's too soon to speculate on longevity of modern EV's. There are a lot more choices now and a lot of OEM's involved.
Where in Canada are you moving to? I like the Rumbler too!
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I think it's too soon to speculate on longevity of modern EV's. There are a lot more choices now and a lot of OEM's involved.
Where in Canada are you moving to? I like the Rumbler too!
Most likely, we'll be on Vancouver Island in the Nanaimo area.
Part of the draw of electric is 'less maintenance' since fewer parts. I would think that translates into longevity. I'm hoping that in the future, I'll pull the Rumble out of the garage, cruise on down to a car show, park between a 60s BSA and a Johammer and drool over vintage Teslas, Vettes and muscle cars (and hopefully a Corbin Sparrow).
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i'm new too ;D
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welcome!
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Hi,
The past March I bought a 2018 Zero DS with charge tank. I live in southern Vermont about 5 mi. from the nearest paved road. For 80% of my riding the range covers me on a single charge at home. The charge tank works for the rest. Only once have I been unable to charge up away from home because all of the ports were in use. Easily found another nearby.
I'm retired so stopping for 1/2-1 hour to charge is no big deal. I can get lunch and often have a pleasant chat with people curious about the bike. Some people even take pictures.
Have been very pleased with the bike so far. I almost bought a gas bike instead but am now convinced I made the best choice all things considered.
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New member here from AZ. Just dropping by to say hello!
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Another Dutch driver at this site joined: me
Keep eachother posted on new stuff and we are becoming a larger part on the daily roads!
(for now people still are asking and making pictures 8) , also fun)
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Hi Everyone,
I'll soon get my hands on my first electric motorbike, an EVA :)
It will be my daily bike, mainly for commuting. Having a Fast Charge point at my job, it motivated me to begin this futuristic adventure.
I did try a Zero SR some weeks ago, and, even if it's powerfull enought compared to my current SV650, it felt like i ran a 125cc motorbike.
This is why I chose an Energica EVA, for its full sized aspects and the DCFC feature.
Hope I'll be able to help current and future E-Motorbikes owners as much as you all helped me to choose my first (and I hope not the last) EV :)
If any other French E-Riders, feel free to contact me for a ride or any discussion :)
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My name is Joe Berk. I started a site with Joe Gresh (www.exhaustnotes.us) and we are covering a ebike and other topics on it. I've done a few range tests on the new CSC City Slicker on our blog. Today, Gresh (he wrote Motorcyclist magazine's "Cranked" column) wrote a piece on the Livewire, which you can see here:
http://exhaustnotes.us/blog/index.php/2018/08/03/wild-conjecture-the-harley-davidson-livewire/ (http://exhaustnotes.us/blog/index.php/2018/08/03/wild-conjecture-the-harley-davidson-livewire/)
I'll post more on the Slicker in a bit.
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My name is Joe Berk. I started a site with Joe Gresh (www.exhaustnotes.us) and we are covering a ebike and other topics on it. I've done a few range tests on the new CSC City Slicker on our blog. Today, Gresh (he wrote Motorcyclist magazine's "Cranked" column) wrote a piece on the Livewire, which you can see here:
http://exhaustnotes.us/blog/index.php/2018/08/03/wild-conjecture-the-harley-davidson-livewire/ (http://exhaustnotes.us/blog/index.php/2018/08/03/wild-conjecture-the-harley-davidson-livewire/)
I'll post more on the Slicker in a bit.
I always enjoyed reading Gresh's stories in Bike magazine, although I will admit to not always understanding some of his points. ;) The referenced Live Wire article is pretty tame, though.
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I just joined as well. I am in Seattle and new to motorcycles as well. I just got my endorsement and will be looking at a Zero DSR in the coming weeks.
djw
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Hello,
I am a brand new electric vehicle user, with my Zero DS. Nice to join you ! :D
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Hello,
I am a brand new electric vehicle user, with my Zero DS. Nice to join you ! :D
Hello Zolf and welcome. Where do you live and how is the EV community and infrastructure there?
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Hello,
I live in France, near Toulouse. Infrastructures for EV are well developed here because a lot of locals authorities initiatives. But it's not very important for me, i usually use my bike on weekends on a ride not far from home : i am lucky to live in a beautiful region !
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Welcome, you just missed the amazing Paris Night ride.
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New member saying hi.
This will probably be a growth forum too I'd say the way green energy/renewables are going.
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Hi everybody. Introducing myself....
San Jose CA - recently purchased new Zero SR 2017
Fun story...
Last weekend making a left turn, hit some slick spot and dropped 'er and fractured my arm.
Wow, crazy torque.
Can't wait to heal up and get back on the road.
What have you all experienced with getting parts? Our local Zero dealer, seems too busy to respond to a prior inquiry I had about purchasing a $25 rain guard for the rear fender.
I even sent them this link, http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=231
I broke the plastic brake fluid resevoir and bent up the brake lever. Will Zero do mail order? Should I just drive to Scotts Valley?
Any advice on dealing with dealers or buying direct from Zero?
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I got my accessories like that from Hollywood Electrics... and I'm in Alabama ;D
Give 'em a shout if your nearby dealer doesn't seem interested in a paying customer.
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So far I have had good luck at my dealer, SFMoto in San Francisco. The few minor parts, like a spare drive belt, that I have ordered have arrived in about two weeks. Not as prompt as some other brands, but they have arrived. However, your dealer in San Jose should certainly be able to order parts for you. If Zero is not shipping the parts, then your dealer should let you know that is the problem and tell you that they will continue to put the pressure on Zero to supply them, instead of just blowing you off.
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Howdy!
New rider, new owner. Got my M license back in May this year, finally bought my first bike just today: 2015 Zero SR.
I’ve been driving electric cars for 4 years now: first was a leased Ford Focus Electric, then last year I bought a 2015 Chevy Spark. The Spark was actually new and had been sitting in a Maryland dealership as a demo - they offered it for a mere pittance of $15K. Since it was new, I was still able to get the $7500 federal rebate. I’m in Texas, and at that point we didn’t have a state rebate, but my wife works for Bank of America, and they had an incentive program offering $4K for purchasing alternate fuel vehicles. So I got a brand new EV for essentially ~$6-7K, including tax title license and shipping (I had to ship it from Maryland to Dallas).
And now I’m on a Zero SR, though my wife is very distrustful of motorcycles and isn’t letting it become my daily driver for a while. I recognize I’m new, so I don’t really trust a 17 mile commute through Dallas traffic either. My plan is to practice riding in the evening and on weekends.
So that’s me, sorry it was such a long post.
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Cheers brother.
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Aloha~
Emily & Scott over here in Kauai, Hawaii. Just purchased our first (five) Zero bikes last week! Found 3 Zero MX's (2 ~ 2010s & a 2011) on Craigslist for 1K for all 3!!! While checkin' those out we got distracted by the sellers 2013 FX, 2014 SR, & 2014 DSR....& ended up buying the 2014s too! Had a blast riding around our only sunny day last week & been gettin' muddy with the MXs while we wait for the remnants of Hurricane Lane to dissipate.
Have a bunch of extra parts that I'll be listing for sale soon & hoping to learn about bringing dead batteries back to life, or where to buy something that'll work for those MXs as we've got a few decent batteries & half a dozen dead ones.
Stoked to be a part of the electric motorcycle revolution!
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Welcome.
Sounds like you've got yourself a project or two mate.
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Hi everybody. Introducing myself....
San Jose CA - recently purchased new Zero SR 2017
Fun story...
Last weekend making a left turn, hit some slick spot and dropped 'er and fractured my arm.
Wow, crazy torque.
Can't wait to heal up and get back on the road.
What have you all experienced with getting parts? Our local Zero dealer, seems too busy to respond to a prior inquiry I had about purchasing a $25 rain guard for the rear fender.
I even sent them this link, http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=231
I broke the plastic brake fluid resevoir and bent up the brake lever. Will Zero do mail order? Should I just drive to Scotts Valley?
Any advice on dealing with dealers or buying direct from Zero?
I'd recommend calling the dealer, even Hollywood Electrics can be a little busy to respond to emails.
Zero sells exclusively through dealers but they will happily ship directly to you. So find a dealer who's willing to put in orders that way. I've done with with SF Moto and Hollywood electrics, no problem.
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Hi, I am DaveJ on many forums, mostly Reverse trike or Suzuki Burgman scooter sites but I am a Newbe on here.
I am looking at building a reverse trike due to my many injuries in 3 major motorcycle crashes. I am a retired disabled Army vet and worked in the telephone trade until my last crash and could not do my job so I was forced to resign. Limited income now.
I will need around 50 to 70 Horsepower. Total weight before batteries and my body weight will be around 500 pounds. With battery and my butt in the seat I expect 1100 pounds.
So a place to start is with a proven design like a Zero or any such EV motorcycle.
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Hi everyone,
my name is Quint and today I just purchased my first eBike, I went with the Zero FX 7.2. So far I love it, using it for commuting to work and farting round local trails, my other bike is a 2016 R1. Look forward to reading through the threads!
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HI - I HAVE HAD NO OPPERTUNITY TO HOP ON AN EBIKE AS YET - QUESTIONS I HAVE ARE ........
1 - WHEN THE TWISTGRIP IS OPERATED TO DECREASE POWER FROM THE MOTOR TO THE REAR WHEEL HOW DOES THE BIKE REACT - IS THE LESSENING OF POWER PROGRESSIVE OR IS THERE A HUGE SLUMP IF YOU SHUT DOWN THE TWISTGRIP ALTOGETHER - PLEASE EXPLAIN -
2 - ARE GEAR CHANGES SMOOTH OR IS THERE ANY CLUNK BANG TYPE DEAL GOING ON WHILE CHANGING GEARS -
3 - I HAVE RIDDEN BIG JAP MUSCLE BIKES BEFORE TODAY AND REMEMBER SLAMMING DOWN THRU A COUPLE OF GEARS FROM 10000RPM TO SLOW THE BIKE DOWN ON AN APPROACH TO A SLOWER MEDIUM - IS THERE ANY FORM OF ENGINE BRAKING OR SOME MECHANICAL GIZMO TO
MAKE FOR THE MIMICKING OF ENGINE BRAKING ON ANY EBIKE AS YET -
PLEASE GET BACK TO
ME AS AND WHEN YOU CAN THANKS -
NAIL BANGER
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1. When you release the throttle the bike slows down at different rates based on how you set up you regen braking. It will slow down pretty quick or even almost freewheel coast depending on how you set it.
2 There are no gears you don't need them, you can sprint ahead with more speed than a down shifted gas bike just by twisting the throttle.
3 Yes again the regen braking which puts power back into your battery.
You can set up a test ride on a Zero and see for yourself. Enjoy.
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Hi there,
I'm Baptiste, from Nantes (France). I just ordered a DSR14.4 and I'm planning on using it for a daily 80km of which 70+ is highway.
I'm letting my R1150GS go for this new DSR and looking forward to it!
BR,
Baptiste.
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Welcome Baptiste, salut bonjour.You funny username sounds like you were from Northern Canada!
Since a few months there are tons of new Zero owners in France. Or at least they suddenly discovered there is a very cool french speaking EV forum (vehiculeselectriques.fr).
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Hi all! My first post. This forum looks like one of best resources on the web for eBikes.
Test rode a Zero DS last week. Been riding for 50+ yrs, have 4 bikes now, all ICE, two 40+ yr old but also have a 2017 Africa Twin. The DS was whole new experience, was chaperoned ride and only 4 miles as that is how dealer does it but still, amazing experience. Like others have said, can see hoe the ebike "bug" can get you!
Look fwd to learning & gathering all the info I can. I live is SoCal so have seen a few ebikes, presume would see more in bay area. Clearly, Zero is the main player out there. Think they have a dedicated manufacturer dealership in Orange County. My local dealer is still on a learning curve re: the Zero product which isn't surprising, lots of new tech, etc.
Thanks to the folks behind this forum, it looks like a great resource.
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Hello eBNWbiker! welcome aboard.
I've loved riding my Zeros for about four years now and unlike most of the guys on here I'm 99% an electric rider with only a short lived Honda 125 when I was 15, being my only ICE experience.
One small terminology correction though.
An "ebike" is a bicycle frame that has been electrically powered while Zeros and others are electric motorcycles being a motorcycle frame that has been electrically powered.
A guy I work with likes to ask "did you ride in on your little electric scooter today" and he knows I'll close my eyes and calmly correct him by saying "motorcycle". It's all in good fun but like a fan taking up for their team I like to correct him.
But it's exciting times on here with a few new bikes and companies coming out with options and products this year. Keep your eyes out for good deals on some used and older new bikes. They are the best big boy toys I've ever had. :)
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A guy I work with likes to ask "did you ride in on your little electric scooter today" and he knows I'll close my eyes and calmly correct him by saying "motorcycle". It's all in good fun but like a fan taking up for their team I like to correct him.
The best way to correct him is to silently leave him in the dust next time you're both going somewhere. :)
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Thks for terminology correction.
One of the things I have noticed with several riders of my age group, is a blind resistence to electric motorcycles. Typically, it comes in form related to range anxiety & no acknowledgement of the MULTIPLE other benefits. I would call it acute negativity & from some folks that are very intelligent, just surprising. They don't want to have anything to do with said bikes, not even curiousity re: the technology, innovation, etc.
I just find this interesting but have seen similar examples such as when a family member first bought a gen 1 Prius. Several other friends/family said car would never catch on and said family member would end up with car no longer supported by manufacturer, etc. Coming up on 20 yrs anniversary of the Prius so know what happened there!!
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Hello from Brooklyn NY.
Probably the 90 millionth bandwagoner here but, I've loved EV's from afar and now want to get mah hands dirty. I work in tech and have been both a motorcycle and a car mechanic before earning a degree in Industrial Design. My goal is to build a fun commuter for my 10-mile urban ride to work. Also if it can slay some tires on the weekend, that'd be cool.
Cheers!
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One of the things I have noticed with several riders of my age group, is a blind resistence to electric motorcycles. Typically, it comes in form related to range anxiety & no acknowledgement of the MULTIPLE other benefits. I would call it acute negativity & from some folks that are very intelligent, just surprising. They don't want to have anything to do with said bikes, not even curiousity re: the technology, innovation, etc.
I remember having the same feelings when Prius came out and a coworker became an early adopter. No way I'd ride that bleeding edge. I also felt that way when Zeroes were being demoed at the MX track years ago.
But in addition to range anxiety, there are cost anxiety and reliability anxiety. While these factors are improving, it's still hard to blame people hesitant to have one as their primary/only vehicle. Two years ago, it was the test ride that really got me. After the test ride there was NO WAY I wasn't buying!
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Hello from Brooklyn NY.
Probably the 90 millionth bandwagoner here but, I've loved EV's from afar and now want to get mah hands dirty. I work in tech and have been both a motorcycle and a car mechanic before earning a degree in Industrial Design. My goal is to build a fun commuter for my 10-mile urban ride to work. Also if it can slay some tires on the weekend, that'd be cool.
Cheers!
Very cool. I look forward to seeing what you come up with. You will probably find more people building their own things at endless-sphere.com (and also more woo and perpetual motion stuff there)
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Jim here from Oshawa Canada....
Complements of astronomical insurance increases this year, I decided to try the Zero S and take delivery in April provided winter has ended?
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Hey Jim, long time zero owner from millbrook (below Peterborough) let me know if you want to meet up for a ride sometime
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Hello,
Kevin here from good ole' Alabama. I happened across this site while looking for parts for my electric motorcycle build.
My project will be centered around a KTM 1190 chassis.
I'm still getting familiar with the site.. I'm looking for a motor and controller from there I'll build the battery pack to support my bike.
I am hoping to use this project as a stepping stone to an ev car.
Wouldn't that be cool.. an ev hauling a e bike to a track! Lol
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Also check out this forum, which is almost exclusively populated with home-built conversion enthusiasts: http://www.elmoto.net/forum.php
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Hi All, I'm new to the board (been creeping for a while), but not new to automotive forums. I'm from Columbus, Ohio. I've been in a LEAF for 2 years now, and I'm considering going EV for the bike too. I've been riding for over 10 years, and I've owned my Yamaha SR500 for 8 years. For a time, I considered converting it to electric. However, a wrecked 2014 Zero SR ZF11.4 has shown up in the area and I'm considering rebuilding it if I can get it for the right price.
I'm here to learn more about EV bikes and look to own one soon.
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Hello everyone,
Introducing myself: Flip, 31 from Arnhem, The Netherlands. Owning a 2013 DS with replacement 12,5kwh pack. For daily commuting I drive a Hyundai Ioniq Electric and before a Nissan Leaf, so it was not a coincidence that i sold my Moto Guzzi to buy the DS last year. I am currently employed at a company that offers shared electric mobility solutions, so e-mobility is embedded in both my private and business life. Hope to find and share experiences on especially getting the most out of the bike in terms of range.
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Welcome Flip. I think we in the U.S. are always interested in what the electric motorcycle scene is like in Europe, being as the EU public and politicians seem to embrace the new technology to a much greater degree than here in the states.
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Been a vintage motorcycle and car enthusiast for 16+ years now. Traditionally, I rebuild Honda CB350's for fun. The past year, I've been more and more inspired by all of the classic car conversions (Like EV West's Porsche 912), Night Shift's Savage build (Holy SHIT!!!) and wanted to make an electrically motivated classic motorcycle. The bike I have is a 1973 CB350. I want to make a fairly stock looking early 70s bike, make battery packs I can bring inside to my apartment to recharge (Lithium Iron Phosphate) and a hub motor. I'm sure I'll be picking your well tuned brains soon!
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Hi everyone,
Just introducing myself. I am Jon, from Not Your Average Bikes Ltd, based in Ossett, West Yorkshire, UK. We are a motorcycle showroom and workshop, and have just been successful in being appointed as the Zero Motorcycles dealer for Yorkshire / North of England, and we are also dealers for Artisan Electric Scooters. I wanted to join the forum to see if I can gain some knowledge from all of you guys while we are new to the Zero Motorcycles, and then hopefully in time we will be able to help some of you out with queries, technical questions, and hopefully look after any of you in the North of England when it comes to wanting a test ride, a service, or even a purchase of a Zero Motorcycle. But for the meantime I have a lot of reading to do on here.
How many of you on here are in the UK?
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Congratulations on your dealership! With the new SRF coming out you picked a good time to sell Zeros. There are quite a few UK riders on here and should be/ will be more in the future. The service support in the UK has been an issue in the past so hopefully your shop and the new Zero leadership can improve that.
Welcome aboard and best of luck across the pond.
Remember butts on bikes, sells bikes.
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Hi, everyone! 8)
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Hi everyone !
French guy linving in Paris, currently riding a F800ST. Joined to gain some knowledge before giving my left arm and left leg (no clutch & no gear right ?) to buy an SRF for some commuting & fun.
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Hello. Just wanted to introduce myself. I am a Newbie to the forum but not a Newbie to electric vehicles. I have been driving electric automobiles and trucks for nearly 20 years. My first electric "motorcycle" was a Vectrix scooter which I used until the onboard charger broke and disabled the bike. No service parts were available so the Vectrix was dismantled. The battery pack still lives on powering the backup power supply in my house. I road tested a couple of early Zero motorcycles and didn't find them quite as robust as I desired for highway travel. I followed the Brammo Empluse and was going to buy one but they were sold to Polaris. I did buy (and still ride) a Victory Empulse TT which works out well for me. But I know the Victory is as serviceable as the Vectrix as no parts exist. The first time something breaks, the Empulse will become wall art. I recently drove the Zero SR/F and was really surprised about how all around good the motorcycle is. I have been trolling this forum for additional information on the SR/F and have decided to order one for fall delivery. I also thought it was time to join this forum and become "legal".
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Welcome, siai47. :)
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Hello everyone, recently picked up my Zero SR/F and have so far put about 2000 miles on it and I am happy with it so far. A blast to ride and it gets a lot of attention where ever I stop. I am lucky enough to have free charging where I work for my 35 mile commute so I only need to charge at home on the weekends. Just going back and forth to work in mixed highway and secondary roads I get 100 to 105 miles of range as long as I take it easy on the highway.
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Nesrf20 you picked a good time to get into electric motorcycles.
Glad your enjoying your SRF.
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Hi everyone, I recently caught the electric motorcycle bug and although I don’t have one yet, I am actively looking. I’ve been riding motorcycle for many years, have had many bikes, do track days and currently have RC390 track bike, an SV650S and an 06 R1 (dropped valve project). A friend of mine who’s an HD mechanic was sent for some training on the new Livewire. He sent me a few pics and that caught my interest. Previously, I didn’t give e-motorcycles much thought. I was concerned about the range and thought the lack of engine sound would really detract from the experience. I watched a bunch of video reviews of diff brands and some onboard footage. After watching a TT lap by McGuinness, I was blown away by how cool ride seemed even without a screaming exhaust. This is the future…so now I really want one. Not for a track bike but mainly for my 15 mile round trip commute. The HD looks super cool but I don’t want to drop anywhere near $30K for my first electric bike. I think I’m leaning towards a used Zero since that appears top be the biggest brand in the US at the moment or at least in dealer presence here in the Midwest.
Since I’m a total newb when it comes to electric motorcycles, I plan on doing more research (this forum seems like a great resource) and figure out what specs will fit my needs. Anyway, figured I’d say hi.
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Welcome!
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Hello! I'm a newly licensed rider from Southern California and the proud owner of a 2014 Zero S. Really like it and have been riding it almost every day, even just to the gym. It is quite the attention getter.
I also recently bought a 2016 Kia Soul EV, so I'm taking this BEV thing seriously. Free charging at work doesn't hurt and is saving me $50 a week just in gas.
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Hello! I'm a newly licensed rider from Southern California and the proud owner of a 2014 Zero S. Really like it and have been riding it almost every day, even just to the gym. It is quite the attention getter.
I also recently bought a 2016 Kia Soul EV, so I'm taking this BEV thing seriously. Free charging at work doesn't hurt and is saving me $50 a week just in gas.
As long as your power stays on. That is a problem in my area, where the power has been off for the past few days and longer in other areas of Northern California. :( My daughter has a 2014 S and she is not riding it as her power has been off since Saturday afternoon and will likely stay off until Thursday so that our electricity provider, PG&E's old equipment doesn't start another fire. >:(
Anyway, welcome and enjoy riding your electric motorcycle. :)
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I've been riding mine quite fine through the power-outs. I haven't yet had to charge off the generator, as I charged downtown instead.
-Crissa
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I've been riding mine quite fine through the power-outs. I haven't yet had to charge off the generator, as I charged downtown instead.-Crissa
What type of generator are you using? It's a good idea to check the waveform on a scope. Some of them (usually the cheaper ones, of course) are really bad and can probably do damage to some equipment.
I checked my Onan generator in my RV (under a load) before deciding if I should charge motorcycles from it :
(https://u.cubeupload.com/DonTom/RVGen.jpg)
I decided that waveform isn't perfect, but good enough to charge a Zero and I have been doing such on my RV trips when boondocked (quite often).
BTW, the AC power just went out at my house in Auburn. I can tell from here several different ways. And that means even the gas stations close down. Turns Auburn into a real mess, no traffic lights, schools closed. Restaurants closed (even the Denny's in New Castle). Many people have no job to go to. I simply make sure my Moto Guzzi Stelvio has a full tank while there. A 400 mile range. But it's only 99.0 miles door to door from my house in Auburn to here in Reno. So I simply come here when the power is out there. I would be in Auburn right now if there was reliable power there. But it should be all okay after tomorrow.
Here in Reno we have NV Energy and the power stays on regardless of wind.
BTW, I often use the electrics for this trip. The Zero SR as well as my new Energica. But not when the power is out in Auburn.
-Don- Reno, NV
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In my daughter's case she didn't recharge her Zero after her last ride and it only had about 20% SOC when the power went out.
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In my daughter's case she didn't recharge her Zero after her last ride and it only had about 20% SOC when the power went out.
In the SF Bay Area, which areas have no power? I thought they would only turn off the power in places with lot of trees (such as Auburn).
-Don- Reno, NV
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[In the SF Bay Area, which areas have no power? I thought they would only turn off the power in places with lot of trees (such as Auburn).
So that's anywhere in the hills on the peninsula and east bay - even some sections of San Jose were turned off near the end of Capital Expressway.
My town went out, but not this time, but there's also no wind this time. Saturday, power went out in Santa Cruz down to Pacific Ave, taking out all on the west side of the street. It was super windy then.
In my daughter's case she didn't recharge her Zero after her last ride and it only had about 20% SOC when the power went out.
Aww, bad luck. 10% is enough for me to get to Santa Cruz, tho not back from it (uphill is at least 15% plus I need a floor to have enough volts to get up the hill).
Today I went to San Jose SOC 98%->54% in 36F weather (it took off a couple % to start), then charged back up to 98% and went back home, added about 15% charge then went to the DMV for my spouse's driving test, then the beach, then to Santa Cruz and charged from 45% back to 95% before arriving home at 76% which was the most I've ever consumed to get from Santa Cruz to home; temperature and lack of traffic I think is to blame, I was going 40-60mph the entire way home.
We have power still, but at 76% I'm not going to plug in unless I'm planning to go over the hill.
-Crissa
PS, at least I'm getting pratice! And I now know I need to wear fuzzy pants at 36F. Although in my defense, I didn't know it was under 40 when I went out...
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In my daughter's case she didn't recharge her Zero after her last ride and it only had about 20% SOC when the power went out.
In the SF Bay Area, which areas have no power? I thought they would only turn off the power in places with lot of trees (such as Auburn).
-Don- Reno, NV
My daughter lives in Marin County, where the power was off starting Saturday at 5pm. I think it finally came back on last night, according to news reports.
In my case, my power went off without warning at 8:15 Saturday and came back on Monday at 3:30pm. During that time my Comcast internet service was off as was my cell phone service. Apparently both of those systems in my area did not have any backup power. :(
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My daughter lives in Marin County, where the power was off starting Saturday at 5pm. I think it finally came back on last night, according to news reports.
In my case, my power went off without warning at 8:15 Saturday and came back on Monday at 3:30pm. During that time my Comcast internet service was off as was my cell phone service. Apparently both of those systems in my area did not have any backup power. :(
Yeah, I noticed the same at my place in Auburn, where the AC power is still out at this time. MY cable modem and router and other stuff are on UPSes, but it does no good when the other end of the cable has no power. But with my Spot Messenger and In-Reach, I will still have satellite communications in case of an emergency or whatever.
However, I simply go back to Reno when it looks like the power will be out there, as I did the last couple of times. I make sure I have more than enough gas in vehicles to get back and also keep more than enough charge in my Tesla to get back here to Reno which is only 99 miles door to door.
BTW, I watched the "Campfire" documentary on TV last night. Everything that could go wrong, did.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I just found out that my daughter is still without power. While much of her area has had it's power restored and is not under a "Public Safety Power Shutoff", apparently a power pole that serves her street fell over and needs to be fixed, which is expected to take until 7pm tonight. In the meantime she is going to another city's library to perform her internet job as her company's complaint department.
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Our power went out at 8:30 Saturday and came back at 7:30 Monday.
We weren't included in today's safety shut-off.
Comcast seems to have about 90 minutes of power at any particular node (those boxes with the red/green lights on them) and Sprint seems to have less at the tower.
I should call and get them to credit me for a couple more days without service. They really should have a generator up there! If we have an earthquake, power would be off-off like this. And that's unsafe.
-Crissa
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My power is still out in Auburn. I expect it not to be on again until around 1600 hrs today, when the Red Flag Warning is expected to be over with for the Auburn area.
I can easily tell from here when my power goes off and on. Several different ways. But the first is my wireless thermostat sends me an e-mail that it has lost connection to the internet. Since it is not on a UPS or anything, it's very instant, within a minute or so.
Most of my other stuff (security cameras, cable modem, router etc) are on a UPS that will last many hours if there is still service on the other side of the cable.
Alarm system works by cell. But I don't know if the cell sites in that area are still on or not, after this many hours of no juice.
I am glad I don't have to deal with all that BS here in Reno. Here it is Nevada Energy, not PG&E.
I will probably head for Auburn tomorrow as I expect the power to then be back up.
-Don- Reno, NV
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You don't have the terrain in Reno that's the problem, nor the legal system putting liability upon the power transmission system, nor any real complaints if you scraped the biologicals from the power paths, nor the less-than-a-year regrowth time for the tinderbrush.
Reno is a desert, and it constantly has these risks.
-Crissa
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> > In the SF Bay Area, which areas have no power? I thought they would only turn off the power in places with lot of trees (such as Auburn).
> So that's anywhere in the hills on the peninsula and east bay - even some sections of San Jose were turned off near the end of Capital Expressway.
On the peninsula, when I looked at the map recently, almost all the areas were west of I-280, except for Hillsborough/Skyfarm area. I looked at some topos and satellite maps, and the only thing that stood out for me about that was that there was a big wooded golf course area, and I think it has those papery trees, so the westbound winds maybe could catch and fan a flame up the canyon? There are some high tension cables between 101 and the bay, I know.
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Hi;
Wanted to introduce myself rajron here, (Ron) new to the forum and thinking of getting a Zero. They seem to be the bike that would suit my wants and needs for my suburban life here in the Phoenix area. I don’t anticipate any long rides, >100 miles just something to ride around in our valley. Currently I have a Vespa which I’ve had for the last ten years, it’s getting a little old, 30k miles and is ideal for the riding I do except it is weak on freeways, it can go 75 – 80 mph but that is max, no reserve! We go fast on our freeways here so I am almost always near max keeping up with traffic so I avoid freeways when I can.
Will be sticking around the forum to see what you all have to say about Zero bikes, currently the model I’m looking at is a used DSR ZF 14.4. The wife said it was okay to get, I just need to justify the money for myself – retired with a fixed income.
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They seem to be the bike that would suit my wants and needs for my suburban life here in the Phoenix area.
Well, as long as you're just feeding it electricity and tires and brakes it's a pretty cheap bike to maintain. The premium over another bike is alot like the fuel cost.
I'm not sure I'll lower my gas spending enough to justify the electric bike in total, but certainly the premium over a gas bike.
Zeros are also weak on freeways, but in a different way: They halve the range.
In Phoenix I think a few have said to make sure to carry some sort of shade cover to keep the sun off the dash and battery, as there's no active cooling so it can overheat sitting still. But if you're from Phoenix, you probably already know that ^-^
https://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=9536.msg83843#msg83843
https://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=9124.msg79097#msg79097
There's also this thread, about how to set the torque for new riders:
https://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=9557.0
Of people who have tried Zeros I've talked to, that seems to be the number one thing that scares them away if they're already a rider - that instant torque and learning to control it.
-Crissa
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Hey guys n gals.
Just wanted to introduce myself. Hi, I'm Jim.
I'm here to learn basically. I'm a tech in a bike shop in the UK. We recently took the ZERO brand on so im trying to learn all i can about the bikes.
I will help out whenever i can, but like i said, im new to this so be gentle with me. ;)
Cheers, Jim
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Hey guys n gals.
Just wanted to introduce myself. Hi, I'm Jim.
I'm here to learn basically. I'm a tech in a bike shop in the UK. We recently took the ZERO brand on so im trying to learn all i can about the bikes.
I will help out whenever i can, but like i said, im new to this so be gentle with me. ;)
Cheers, Jim
Have you ridden one yet? The most important thing about electric bikes is how freakin' fun they are to ride, and you won't learn that from us. Throw a leg over one. Or two. Or all of them.
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Hi all,
Just a quick hello from me.
Been watching the electric bike scene for several years and when the Zero SRF appeared I knew my wallet was in trouble ;D
Took one for a test ride in August and put a deposit down straight away.
Picking it up on Saturday, can't wait :)
Oli
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Welcome and congratulations, SkyYeti. Enjoy your SR/F and this forum. :)
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Hey guys n gals.
Just wanted to introduce myself. Hi, I'm Jim.
I'm here to learn basically. I'm a tech in a bike shop in the UK. We recently took the ZERO brand on so im trying to learn all i can about the bikes.
I will help out whenever i can, but like i said, im new to this so be gentle with me. ;)
Cheers, Jim
Have you ridden one yet? The most important thing about electric bikes is how freakin' fun they are to ride, and you won't learn that from us. Throw a leg over one. Or two. Or all of them.
HAHA!
Yeah iv ridden a few.
The SR/f is a superb machine, however, the fxs is without a doubt the most fun iv ever had on 2 wheels. What a machine!!!
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Hi folks -i think is time for me also to jump into the discussion here. I'm a motorcycle man have been building motorcycles for many years. But have been completely addicted to the torque of the Electric vehicles. So have been building some Electric trialbikes. and have started to modify everything i have over to Electric. This weekend my son finnished a complectely cusmomized paxster With a large Controller and borrowed a battery from my motorcycle Project. And it was a crazy cool thing. With a amazing torque and Power ( I did put out a video also of his Project)
https://youtu.be/GhnNr5szbZg
So and now I reallize that I need to probably start a build thread here to have some more People giving me a litte feedback so I'm able to finalize my Street legal Electric motorcycle this year.
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Cute project, smoregrava.
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Mornin'
Thought I'd register after lurking for months.
I am quite boring. Here are the boring things you don't really want to know about me but I will tell you anyway
- Ridden for 30 years
- Spent many years on BMWs...
- Currently on a 2016 KTM690 Duke R as an antidote to BMW, and a Honda X-Adv, for all-year riding
- Used to ride a lot, lot faster when I was young and stupid, but now I won't do over a ton
- Got super interested in electric bikes after my friend got a Tesla
- One day I had a go on an SR/f and suddenly normal motorbikes are totally uninteresting
- It is with some irony that I work in the oil industry which I despise
- And other than that, I make computer games, but they make the square root of bugger all money
Cas :)
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Welcome, Cas. I hope you enjoy the forum and riding an electric motorcycle. :)
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Still saving up ;)
Wife says kitchen extension first...
Cas :)
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Welcome new members. Thanks for sharing your projects and interests.
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I am moving to the Dominican Republic and I plan to build an eBike to buzz around town in and to go on decent trips (maybe 100 K or so round trip) so I found this forum when I did a Google search for "electric motorcycle with belt drive" or something similar. I figured the people on here would be the best resource for how to build or purchase something like that.
They use scooters there and they are all running uncorked headers, or at least that's what it sounds like.
Once they get smoked a few times with the SBD (Silent But Deadly) beast they may be converts!
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Just joined the Forum. Getting ready to pull the trigger on an Energica Eva 107. Looking at a brand new 2020 with 13.3 KW battery for under $16.4K Living in northern va
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In the process of purchasing a new Zero FX 7.2 from MotoCorsa in Portland Oregon for use in Mt. Shasta CA. I recently got back into riding dual purpose bikes after more than 30 years with a Yamaha TW200 that I purchased last year. If I had know about ebikes I would have skipped the TW. Probably a good thing to warm up with the TW and now I have a second bike for quests.
I know this thing is going to tear my arms off compared to the TW. I'm hoping that I'll be able to dial it back so I can use it to silently explore the endless logging and Forest Service Roads in the Siskiyou and Modoc National Forests. I'll be interested in seeing how much juice I can get back on the long decents. It's easy to get 4000 feet elevation gains in 40 miles on the slopes of Shasta. Anybody know what the maximum elevation the FX 7.2 can climb at a slow pace?
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I don't know about maximum altitude but I've seen videos of people riding them high in the sierras. As long as you are aware of the temperature, altitude doesn't bother electrics at all.
Down here in Santa Cruz I regularly take my bike to the top of the hill and back... That's only 2500' and it's more, the slower you go the farther you go. The up doesn't hurt it too much. Takes me about 25% of the battery to go up 2000', but not sure how much of that is the incline.
-Crissa
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Thanks for the reply Crissa. 2000 feet of climbing on 25% of the battery includes some of the theoretical 60% regenerated power that you got back going back down. So it sounds like it's possible to do rides with 6000 feet of elevation gain. I just mapped out a ride that takes me up to the Old Ski Bowl Trail Head at 7800 feet for what should give me 4500 feet of climbing from my house in 32 miles round trip. I'll report back. Zero FXS's smoked Pikes Peak back in 2016. These bikes can climb that's for sure.
Best,
Chris
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Yes. Coming back down takes me from 10-15% Now mind, that's going 40 mph, going slower does better ^-^
In about 2000' down I can get 5% back if I'm not otherwise using much power.
-Crissa
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Wondering how much regenerative braking can you dial in going down hill? Can you descend steep hills without using the brakes? I guess I'll find out. Most EVs get a lot of miles out of their brake pads.
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Wondering how much regenerative braking can you dial in going down hill? Can you descend steep hills without using the brakes? I guess I'll find out. Most EVs get a lot of miles out of their brake pads.
You will find the the regen slows down a lot, quite quickly, but the brake will be needed to complete to stop.
I live on top of a steep hill here. I can coast all the way down without a stop with a high regen setting, but the bike will be going very slow, under 15 MPH.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Just what I wanted hear. Thanks. I've done some long steep descents coming down Mt Shasta on gravelly Forest Service Roads on my TW200. Nice to be able to have have a lot of engine braking and being able to go nice and slow.
Chris - McCloud CA.
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Something to note with the Zero is you have two regen settings that can be adjusted independently (in the custom mode, in the Eco and Sport modes they have preset but different values). You have coasting regen which is applied when the throttle is all the way forward and acts like engine braking on a gas bike, then you have braking regen which is applied when either brake switch is activated (so you can press lightly on either lever to regen brake but without using the mechanical brakes). There is also a point in the throttle rotation where there is both no driving force nor any coasting regen which allows you to coast with minimal resistance.
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Yeah, I usually run with my braking regen set middling so I can use it going down hills without stopping ^-^
Don has his set high on his throttle so he can feather it with the throttle, which I find too troublesome so far. But I'be only been riding a motorcycle since August so my skill is pretty low.
Lots of ways to dial a Zero into your style of riding!
-Crissa
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This is a great forum! Sure sounds like one has a tremendous amount of control over the power delivery and regenerative braking on these bikes. Only thing I'm worried is that FX has 3 times the HP and 7 times the torque of my TW200. Hope I can learn to feather the throttle so the bike doesn't take off without me. The 2 bikes weigh almost exactly the same and are the same color. The TW has fatter tires. Going to be an interesting learning curve. I doubt I'll ever go into sports mode. Still waiting for the price from MotoCorsa. I know I'm going to pay full factory list. I just don't want to be dinged for an additional mark up. The EV rebate helps. Well on my way to filling my garage with toys.
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Is it the beige sort of colour? That's what my DS is and I've seen the TW200 and some other Yamahas in a similar colour. I wasn't too sure on it at first but it grew on me, had a few people tell me they like it too. I was a bit worried about riding off road as well at first but it's actually really controllable, much easier to ride slowly compared to a gas bike as you don't have to rev it and slip the clutch loads. I keep it in my custom mode with 60% torque as even that will easily break traction if you wanted so I doubt sport mode could really be fully utilised off road without some rather aggressive tyres.
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You can change the torque from nearly nothing to all of it in the software.
Just start out in Eco and then slowly ramp up when it's safe to do so. Electrics are much more consistent and Zeros are super well-behaved.
-Crissa
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My 2019 TW is beige. That's where the similarities end. The TW is the basically the same bike as when it first came out in 1987 except for a disc brake and a starter motor. I'll post a photo of them side by side when I get the 0FX.
Thanks for alleviating my concerns about purchasing such a powerful bike. I ride mainly to get out and explore. Not disturbing the wildlife and being able to hear was too tempting. Mt Shasta has been heavily logged for well over a century so the roads are endless. It's fun to try and navigate to various points of interest. I usually end up turning around before I get lost and going back home to download the GPX file to see where I was and where I should have turned. There are paved forest service roads that you can drive a 100 mile loop and see only 3 or 4 other vehicles. I love the Medicine Lake area which is a huge shield volcano with points of interest like Little Glass Mountain that is pretty much pure obsidian. The view from Little Mount Hoffman is well worth ride or drive.
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Yeah, my S is my first motorcycle! I've only been riding since August, finished my course (after failing once!) in January. I've ridden 3k miles, tho winter and the Coronavirus puts a crimp in it, it has replaced about half of my trips.
They're very well behaved ^-^ As long as you remember it'll do what you ask without delay, and remember to use the mode setting, you'll be fine. Overconfidence is the enemy, I think, coming from a gas bike.
-Crissa
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You've done a lot riding in a short time. I only have 500 miles on my 2019 t-dub mainly because Shasta is a vacation home. Haven't taken a spill yet other than getting stuck in soft rut. Plenty of blood from mountain bike riding on Mount Tamalpais in Marin County though. Including a slow-mo over the handle bars face plant that resulted in an ambulance ride. I was screwing around and for some stupid reason I decided to ride down this little bump which had a wheel stopping rut at the bottom that I didn't see. Add don't do stupid sh*t to the list. The ground is less than a second away. Hope to hear from the dealer tomorrow. He has a $2500 down payment. I am very happy to be buying something actually made within a 100 miles of where I live. I guess most of the parts come from all over. Take care and good luck to all of us.
-Chris
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Good luck, Chris!
I used the bike to replace some of my mountain bike riding (motorcycle is much faster and probably safer on these mountain roads!) and about half of my driving.
And with our red-flag and weird weather and whatnot... Well, the bike has just been superior to something that needs gas and gets stuck in queue at the lights.
-Crissa
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I use my Zero, loaded with luggage carrying options, to replace my car for almost all of my local travel.
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Yeah, I can carry just about anything short of flats of soda and other such big boxes.
-Crissa
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Yeah, I can carry just about anything short of flats of soda and other such big boxes.
-Crissa
Big boxes of toilet paper are tough to carry too. ;) Motorcycles are not good vehicles for Costco shopping. ::)
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My bike is being uncrated in Portland. I got the dealer to give me the out the door price on the 2020 0FX. I'm hoping that Crissa of someone else can help me out with negotiating the price. I know I'm going to pay the full factory $10,995 list. The OOD price is $15,100 including $1495 Aegis Service Contract that I would never buy. So minus Aegis OOD is $13,606.43. They want to hit me a $1299 freight charge which looks to me to be padded. Out of state sales tax and est. CA sales tax is $891+$55. Title/license/registration and doc prep is $251+115. So it looks like I'm paying $13.606. (I'm wondering if the est $55 tax might be sales tax on the Aegis service contract.) Is a $1299 freight charge padded? i'm wondering if i can get them to reduce the freight charge down to something closer to a grand. At least they aren't trying to hit me with a dealer's prep charge.
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I use my Zero, loaded with luggage carrying options, to replace my car for almost all of my local travel.
With the help of a backpack, I have taken a full grocery cart worth of stuff back to my RV on my Zero DS in a single trip. It has a lot of storage space as it has no power or charge tank (so that is more storage space) as well as the side bags and travel trunk along with a backpack.
-Don- Reno, NV
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What was the deal when you put the deposit.
Did you do the deposit with a card that could be reversed?
A $500 uncrating deposit with card and pay in full at pick up is what I have dealt with. Probably most do credit.
Edit, email communication of all fees and amount due.
To spec out an F150 was $1000 deposit and real close to that shipping from Kansas City.
I think about getting one of those tw200 a few weeks every year when ground is soft, have heard they are a commuter vehicle dressed different for our market.
The part about sales tax is confusing.
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Yeah... Sales tax? There shouldn't be any CA sales tax to someone taking delivery in another state. CA state law says sales tax is determined by where the delivery address is.
Did your dealer buy it from another dealer, and then transport it themselves?
-Crissa
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I put down $2500 on my card to hold the bike. No price at that time. I didn’t sign anything so I assume my bank would reverse.because I was under the impression that a refundable deposit.
Sales tax has to be paid in the state and address where the bike is registered.
I love my TW. I put 500 mostly off road (logging) miles on it. It was a good bike to get back into riding after almost 40 years. Once I learned about zeros I had to have one to experience the quiet and to not terrify the wildlife.
The dealer had the bike on order. They had just sold the other one they had in stock.
I asked them to take $299 off the freight. Waiting to hear back.
Thanks for
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Am new to this forum. Just recently bought a used 2015 Zero SR, and learning how to ride it. I've been a biker for awhile, and put 70,000 miles on my 1999 Harley FXDX, and wanting something different. I do not do long rides any more, and stick close to home, so this ride will be perfect for me. Theoretical range of about 120-150 in city and maybe half that or better on the highway, depending on how I ride, I guess. Living in northeastern Minnesota and the nearest dealer for this ride is about 200 miles away, so I will be doing my own wrenching, just like I did on the gasoline ride...except much less of it. Hooray for me. If I want to lift the bike to get it straight-up vertical for brakes and tires, a conventional center lift is out of the question. I do see a couple of very nice structurally solid tubular voids that go straight through the frame, that look like thy will lend themselves nicely to the task. While I can likely fabricobble something that will do the job, I figure I should see what has already been done, first. So, what do you do to lift a Zero SR?
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Am new to this forum. Just recently bought a used 2015 Zero SR, and learning how to ride it. I've been a biker for awhile, and put 70,000 miles on my 1999 Harley FXDX, and wanting something different. I do not do long rides any more, and stick close to home, so this ride will be perfect for me. Theoretical range of about 120-150 in city and maybe half that or better on the highway, depending on how I ride, I guess. Living in northeastern Minnesota and the nearest dealer for this ride is about 200 miles away, so I will be doing my own wrenching, just like I did on the gasoline ride...except much less of it. Hooray for me. If I want to lift the bike to get it straight-up vertical for brakes and tires, a conventional center lift is out of the question. I do see a couple of very nice structurally solid tubular voids that go straight through the frame, that look like thy will lend themselves nicely to the task. While I can likely fabricobble something that will do the job, I figure I should see what has already been done, first. So, what do you do to lift a Zero SR?
There's a website I maintain, the Unofficial Zero Manual, probably just right for owners like you without ready dealer access: https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Main_Page
There's an article just on using a lift: https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Lift
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Thanks for your reply, re my lifting query. I did use the easy-peasy lumber through the limber hole lift, and it worked perfectly! Got my front brake bled, and then adjusted the tracking on the drive belt, and I'm feelin' pretty perky, now.
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I now am now a 2020 FX owner which I purchased from MotoCorsa in Portland yesterday.
I’m not finding a newer FX owner thread and I’m wondering if I should I start one?
If there is one could someone point me to it. Otherwise I’ll start one.
Thank again to Crissa and others for their advice which led me to the purchase.
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Just head on down to the 2013+ Zero section and post any questions you have or anything you have to share there.
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To all EV enthusiasts
New joinee here, looking forward to learn from the seniors here and do some crazy moves to spread EV love in my home country.
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To all EV enthusiasts
New joinee here, looking forward to learn from the seniors here and do some crazy moves to spread EV love in my home country.
Welcome, staride Ind. Where do you reside? If you include that information in your profile you will likely receive more accurate responses to any questions you might ask.
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Hi everyone!
First things first :) so,
My name is Nacho. I live in Spain, and been riding motorbikes for almost 20 years.
I've recently come across electric motorbikes, as I discovered Damon motorcycles last year and read about their success in the last CES 2020. They still have a long way ahead, before reaching the market with their Hypersport, but on paper, their numbers seem impressive. And their bike is nothing but awesome and beautiful.
I find electric motorbikes increasingly attractive, not only Damon, but Energica, Lito, etc. and it's obvious the future of bikes is electric. So I hope to learn much more about them around here.
Cheers!
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Hi everyone!First things first :) so,
My name is Nacho. I live in Spain, and been riding motorbikes for almost 20 years.
By any chance are you the same Nacho in the Venturers Forum (http://www.venturers.org/Forum/index.php)?
-Don- Reno, NV
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Hi everyone!First things first :) so,
My name is Nacho. I live in Spain, and been riding motorbikes for almost 20 years.
By any chance are you the same Nacho in the Venturers Forum (http://www.venturers.org/Forum/index.php)?
-Don- Reno, NV
Hi Don, sorry, but I’m not the same Nacho :)
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Hey Nacho! Welcome aboard and extra welcome for your Damon interest.
I've kind of taken the lead when it comes to Damon info and updates.
Here is a quick link to the main Damon thread I like to keep fresh until maybe it gets it's own section.
https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=9750.0
You can find it in the Electric Motorcycle News section.
I do hope Damon is able to keep their heads above water with all that's going on. It's hard to do in the best of times much less with all these challenges.
It does seem like a fantastic bike so far though.
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Hey Nacho! Welcome aboard and extra welcome for your Damon interest.
I've kind of taken the lead when it comes to Damon info and updates.
Here is a quick link to the main Damon thread I like to keep fresh until maybe it gets it's own section.
https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=9750.0
You can find it in the Electric Motorcycle News section.
I do hope Damon is able to keep their heads above water with all that's going on. It's hard to do in the best of times much less with all these challenges.
It does seem like a fantastic bike so far though.
Hey NEW2elec, thanks for your welcome!
Yes, I've been hanging around here for a couple days before actually signing in.
And as far as I've read, yes, you've taken the lead and you seem pretty lonely, defending Damon virtues almost by yourself ;D
It's true, they're completely new and unknown, they're a startup and they have a really long way ahead of them. And that maybe they're trying to many things for their bike at once (Co-Pilot, Shift, E2V, beside their impressive 200s), as I've read in this forum.
But, as you say, the Damon seems like a fantastic bike so far, I like their ideas and their ambitions for a smarter and safer bike that can compete with actual ICE bikes, like the Panigale, the RSV4 or japanese superbikes.
I'm sold and I hope everything pans out when they actually release their bikes to market, hopefully in later 2021 or 2022. Especially because one of them should come my way ::) :D
I guess I'll see you around ;)
Cheers
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New member from the UK.
I'm considering an EM for commuting so will be doing some research and asking some dumb questions I'm sure!
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Welcome Rockburner. Bring it on! Commuting is the perfect application for EV bikes.
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Hello to all! I'm Martin.
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Hello to all! I'm Martin.
Welcome, Martin. What do you ride and where do you live?
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Greetings from Bali :)
Electric motorcycle enthusiast here, although haven't owned one yet.
Did a brief test ride with an electric scooter - https://www.gesits.co.id
not that exciting as speed is limited to 70 km/h.
Looking forward to the day when companies like Zero is coming to Indonesia
with more affordable models.
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Greetings from Bali :)
Electric motorcycle enthusiast here, although haven't owned one yet.
Did a brief test ride with an electric scooter - https://www.gesits.co.id
not that exciting as speed is limited to 70 km/h.
Looking forward to the day when companies like Zero is coming to Indonesia
with more affordable models.
Welcome, afton. I wonder how long it will take Zero to get to Asia? Zero tried entering the Australian market a few years ago and it just didn't pan out for them. :(
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Hello all. Joining because I'm buying a LiveWire. Test rode one last year... magical acceleration and definitely smooth.
Will be my first new motorcycle ever, and my first new Harley. Over many years' riding have owned close to 30 bikes; currently down to only 4 (I know :-[ ).
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Hello all. Joining because I'm buying a LiveWire. Test rode one last year... magical acceleration and definitely smooth.
Will be my first new motorcycle ever, and my first new Harley. Over many years' riding have owned close to 30 bikes; currently down to only 4 (I know :-[ ).
Welcome!
Have you also done a test ride on the Energica and Zeros?
What made you decide to go with the LW?
-Don- Reno, NV
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When the dude wants the fancy one, let him shell put for it ^-^
Welcome! The world isn't quite ready for the Livewire, but it will be soon enough.
-Crissa
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When the dude wants the fancy one, let him shell put for it ^-^
Welcome! The world isn't quite ready for the Livewire, but it will be soon enough.
-Crissa
IMO, the LW isn't ready for the world until they but a 6KW AC charger in it. 3KW is bad enough, but 1.3 KW is ridiculous on a modern 30K$ bike.
And IMO, they should have CCS chargers at every HD shop. Not only the ones that sell the LW. Local CCS charging is useless. You want them at least 50 miles away in every direction possible. Then their lack of true L2 charging wouldn't be such a big deal. But even for home charging that 1.3 KW is too slow, IMO, if one has 240 VAC available.
-Don- Reno, NV
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IMO...
Hey, man, this is the Welcome thread. Let them have their hot rod.
-Crissa
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Hey, man, this is the Welcome thread. Let them have their hot rod.
-Crissa
Yeah, as long as they know what they want! Some don't know other choices are available. And it isn't clear if Olden already purchased the LW or not.
When people are ready to buy their first electric bike, they need all the info possible to make the correct decision for them.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I test-rode 3 Zeros in 4 years... I liked them but that was all. No 'spark' (pun intended).
I test-rode a LiveWire demo bike last year at a dealer event where I was able to ride it 5 times in one afternoon - other riders shunned it for the trad V-twins - and I loved it. The acceleration is excellent. The finish is superb. It's a Harley game-changer for me - like my '04 Vrod was compared to my 90s' Dyna.
Did I mention before it'll be my first new motorcycle ever (and of course my first new Harley ever). Oh, I did? OK then :-). In 2019 I sold 2 of my other bikes to afford it. Been waiting since then. And keeping lurking-track of lots of info out there.
BTW: there are no Zero dealers and no Zero support in NZ. There are no Energica dealers and no Energica support in NZ either.
With the LiveWire, I get dealer support and a 2 year warranty (yeah, 4 hours' ride away but, hey, at least the dealer's on the same land mass and in the same time zone :-) )
I have read a lot of the feedback (of course) from owners as well as non-owners.
You be you, I'll be me :-)
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Oh, wow, you're in New Zealand? Cool!
There are some Zero and Energica riders in New Zealand, and at least one sometimes deigns to post here ^-^
-Crissa
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Hello E Bike People! Just joined. I think I want a FXS due to the upright seating position and lower seat than FX. Don't want tubes either. I rode a DSR several months ago at dealer but didn't like the lean forward weight on my wrists and it didn't look like I could put bar risers on easily so FXS will do what I want in a E-bike at this stage of my life.
Looking forward to others experiences with FX- FXS and others. Thanks for having me !!
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Hello E Bike People! Just joined. I think I want a FXS due to the upright seating position and lower seat than FX.
The S has the same tires as the FXS, so you might check it out. The frame is just chunkier, which makes it a little slower to start up, but comfier to sit on with its lower, wider seat.
The seating position is... I think it's more a matter of learning it. I found myself leaning forward more on my S than my spouse's old Honda, but after a year of riding, I've figured how to keep my weight back and off my wrists like I should.
-Crissa
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For what it's worth lots of guys have added risers to the "S" bikes S, SR, DS, DSR. Pretty standard set up.
Welcome aboard.
The FXS is very popular as well though.
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Yes, yes I did.
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Wmak from KY here. I bought a Zero SR/S I November, still learning all the tricks. Looking forward to participating in this forum and riding more as the weather improves.
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Wmak from KY here. I bought a Zero SR/S I November, still learning all the tricks. Looking forward to participating in this forum and riding more as the weather improves.
Congratulations, and welcome!
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Thanks for the add. I am Frank from New Smyrna Beach FL and I recently bought a LiveWire.
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Hi, Frank!
-Crissa
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Thanks for the add...I don't currently have an e-motorcycle but am here to learn from you all.
Cheers,
Smithy.... from Brisbane, Australia.
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Hello everybody,
I've been a registered user since almost 1 year even if I've not been active. Anyway I read a lot, and I found a lot of useful information here.
I live in Italy and I own a 2020 Zero FX. After some initial troubles I'm finally enjoying it despite the covid!
Riccardo
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Hello I’m Craig. I’m going to look at Zero motorcycles tomorrow. I have been an electric bicycle enthusiast for a while and really want to move up.
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Hello I’m Craig. I’m going to look at Zero motorcycles tomorrow. I have been an electric bicycle enthusiast for a while and really want to move up.
Welcome, Craig. After checking out Zero lineup and going for a test ride let us know what you think.
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Justin from San Francisco. Just bought a 2017 Zero SR w/ 2.5 kW charge tank from someone in Santa Cruz (Electric Terry happened to be passing by just before the test ride and I got to meet him and Charger). I got into riding motorcycles a couple years ago and worked for Scoot for 2 years and rode their electric mopeds since 2015.
I always wanted an electric motorcycle and only bought gas bikes because I couldn't afford one (until now). Now that I have the Zero, I doubt I will ever own another gas vehicle, even if it will be hard to give up the seating comfort and riding position of my 2011 Ducati Multistrada.
Biggest bright spot about the Zero is the total lack of drama. No need to ever worry about being in the wrong gear, stalling the motor when braking, left hand going numb feathering the clutch for lane splitting episodes that drag on and on and on, etc. Biggest complains are the acute knee angle, lack of legroom, and seat comfort in that order.
I just bought an Airhawk pillion pad to improve seat and knee comfort and increase legroom, and will try fitting SR/S footpegs. I'm also planning to add a USB socket based on Alternative Standard's YouTube video (but using one with a USB-A and USB-C jack), get a bigger windscreen than the current commuter screen (I'm thinking CalSci), install my Atlas throttle lock, some axle sliders front and rear, maybe get some wheel covers, and upgrade the charging with a DigiNow setup.
I'll mostly be using it for <100 mile trips around the Bay Area with the occasional 150 mile jaunt.
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Sounds like you are on a roll, flynnstig82R. Congratulations on your new Zero. :)
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Hi there I’m Craig. I have been an electric bicycle enthusiast for a while. I just bought my first motorcycle. I have not picked it up yet and I only have my permit. I’m scheduled for the motorcycle class in the beginning of May to get the endorsement. I’m fifty four years old so I figured it was a good time. Especially if I wasn’t going to get that Corvette 😂
Call me crazy but I just bought a new 2020 Zero SR/S as my first motorcycle. I’m so excited!!!!!
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Hi there I’m Craig. I have been an electric bicycle enthusiast for a while. I just bought my first motorcycle. I have not picked it up yet and I only have my permit. I’m scheduled for the motorcycle class in the beginning of May to get the endorsement. I’m fifty four years old so I figured it was a good time. Especially if I wasn’t going to get that Corvette 😂
Call me crazy but I just bought a new 2020 Zero SR/S as my first motorcycle. I’m so excited!!!!!
Congratulation, Craig. I am sure that you have many enjoyable years riding your new SR/S. :)
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I picked up my 2020 SR/S today !!! I couldn’t get a ride and Uber wanted $80 to get me to the dealership. I rented a motorcycle trailer from Uhaul. The first ride was amazing. I’m one of those people that keeps my motorcycle in my living room. It really adds to the room.
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Welcome Craig!
Make sure you don't crush your carpet ^-^
Here's a picture from the morning after a party I had. This was on the fourth floor of the San Jose Marriott.
-Crissa
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Hi, Arnoud here. I bought my used Zero S 14.4 last week and it’s a great ride! Already mounted two cameras and a dvr and will be installing some additional gadgets along the way. This forum looks like a great source of information and I look forward to visit here often.
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I was once at a party where we drove a V-Max into the living room and did a burnout on the carpet ... happy days.
Cas :)
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I was once at a party where we drove a V-Max into the living room and did a burnout on the carpet ... happy days.
Cas :)
That must have been really tough on the poor carpet. ;D
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Hi everyone, I am the proud new owner of a 2020 Zero SR. It was a demo model and came with a Charge Tank which was awesome because I wanted a Charge Tank anyway. This forum and the Unofficial Zero Manual have been extremely helpful to me as I get started and I can't thank you all enough. Every day I learn something new.
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Two weeks ago I picked up my new Zero SR/S. Had not planned on buying an electric bike and was trying to get a Honda NC750X DCT because I am having left hand complications and it was becoming difficult to use a clutch on my then current bikes, - 5 of them. Long story short, Honda dealer could not find me a bike and I then stumbled on on Zero bikes by accident. Problem solved! One test ride and a dealer that would take a couple of my old ones in a fair trade made the deal happen. Cost more but I am very happy with my new bike. All five of my old found new homes. Going to save a lot of time and money on maintenance, - more time to ride. I ride three to four times a week for 60 or less miles each time so electric is perfect for me.
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Congratulations on your new Zero, Eicas and welcome to the forum. I am sure you will love riding with electric power. :)
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Hello all!
I'm french rider, and I'm owner of a white ZERO S 2014 for three years.
I'm looking for information about Fork seal replacement, and especially about oil height to fill.
Anyone know where I can find this infortmation? And all advices to dissasemble the seals?
Another question : there is a possibility to use clear background on this forum? It is very hard for my weak eyes...
The only one solution I found today is to use the "reader" tools of FireFox...
Thank you!
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Nice!
About forks... I just have the dealer do it, but there's an entry on the unofficial manual https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Fork_Oil_Change_and_Spring_Replacement
And I think someone did a video?
-Crissa
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Hello,
thank you for this quick answer.
I noticed this advice "Measure from outer tube end to oil surface (Condition: spring, spring joint, spring collar, seat rubber, slider, fork bolt are removed and dust seal touches axle holder)"
I will do it on the leg without any linkeage, but, since this fork seems to have already dismantled - and a nut damaged, the one hidden by the spring :( - I would like too to have the official information.
But ok, it seems it's preferable to put less oil than too!
I will write a dedicated topic, since I didn't find the answer.
Vincent.
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Greetings from Northern Virginia!
Bought a new 2021 SR/S yesterday from Motorcycles of Dulles (Sterling VA), my first EV, and second motorcycle since I sold my Harley Ultra almost 15 years ago. Now I'm waiting for the Rapid Charger and LED turn signals to come in before I take delivery, which should be about two weeks from now.
I have one early question: The bike gets me $2.5k off my taxes next year, and so should the rapid charger...how did that process go for the rest of you when you filed?
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I have one early question: The bike gets me $2.5k off my taxes next year, and so should the rapid charger...how did that process go for the rest of you when you filed?
For me, it was simple. I filed on https://www.freetaxusa.com/ and got to the point where it asked me if I purchased an electric motorcycle and home charger.
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Greetings All!
I already feel outnumbered but that should be ok.
I just traded an old Mercedes car for a Harley Livewire! I test rode one a couple months ago along with a Zero and liked the price of the Zero better but the local Harley dealership was willing to trade for the car, the Zero guy didn’t reply to my email inquiry. I would have taken either bike but the Livewire fits me very well and I seem to smile the entire time I ride it!
I’ll have lots of questions about charging batteries in the near future. Seems like most everyplace around me is a Level 1 or a Tesla.
For now I just wanted to say Hi.
DaveSki
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The Livewire is the fancy one!
Welcome ^-^
-Crissa
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I’ll have lots of questions about charging batteries in the near future. Seems like most everyplace around me is a Level 1 or a Tesla.
For your Livewire, when on the road you want CCS charging. Check Plugshare Here (https://www.plugshare.com/)and set it up to only show CCS. If an overnight stop, then check for J-1772 and outlets as well.
At home, your level one is fine. Normally you want to leave home with a full charge in the morning and use CCS chargers for your longer rides. You want to get at least a ChargePoint Card, but also EV-Go, but a lot of this depends on where you ride to.
The charger at the HD dealer is Changepoint. So perhaps you already got that card with the bike. Most CCS chargers you can also activate with a Smartphone, so you should get busy downloading those apps, such as Electrify America (Wal*Mart chargers), EV-G0. GreenLots, EV-Connect. Check Plugshare to see what you need. Your charging is similar to my Energica and I am quite familiar with the LW, so I can probably answer most of your questions WRT charging.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Thanks Don. I got the ChargePoint card activated. Looks like it will be a good thing. I was looking for CCS charging stations but from what I’ve read that’s a Level 2 charge which for my Livewire isn’t any faster than the 12 hours required for Level 1. I see where the Harley chargepoint stations use CCS combo plugs to access the DC points to the battery. Are there any other Fast DC Chargers besides the Harley shops? Here in central Texas there’s not a lot of options outside the major cities so I’m still looking.
Then I’ll want to know if anybody tried to charge anEV from a car with something akin to jumper cables with a step up transformer? Bypass the on board charges and connect direct to the battery? It would only be for emergencies so battery damage shouldn’t be an issue.
Just wondering...
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Thanks Don. I got the ChargePoint card activated. Looks like it will be a good thing. I was looking for CCS charging stations but from what I’ve read that’s a Level 2 charge which for my Livewire isn’t any faster than the 12 hours required for Level 1. I see where the Harley chargepoint stations use CCS combo plugs to access the DC points to the battery. Are there any other Fast DC Chargers besides the Harley shops? Here in central Texas there’s not a lot of options outside the major cities so I’m still looking.
Then I’ll want to know if anybody tried to charge anEV from a car with something akin to jumper cables with a step up transformer? Bypass the on board charges and connect direct to the battery? It would only be for emergencies so battery damage shouldn’t be an issue.
Just wondering...
CCS charging is level 3. It is DC direct to your battery. Your bike charger is not then used. Your Level one and Two charger is the same charge time on the LW. Around 1.5 KW with either 120 or 240 VAC. Yes, there are MANY CCS chargers away from the Harley shops. You can use those. If they are ChargePoint CCS you can use the ChargePoint card you use at the Harley shops. Others take credit cards are their own card, or need to use the app. etc. They do not all work the same way.
There are portable CCS chargers (https://www.setec-power.com/product/20kw-ccs-portable-charger/), but they are very expensive, large and not commonly used. But I hear some tow trucks carry them to get some EVs to the next charge stations.
Look at Plugshare and try to set it to only show CCS for your area. It may take a little while to learn how to use it. I keep every charge station I ride to on my GPS as a waypoint. I ride from one charge station to the next until I get to where I am going.
In Texas, there are probably many places you cannot get to within the range on your bike between charge stations. But that is improving fast. Near or in the larger cities, there is usually no problem finding CCS chargers.
-Don- Reno, NV
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This is the sort of discussion that baffles me as someone who has never used, or needed to use, a commercial charging station. Why do you need a special card, app or account to charge from a commercial L2 or L3 charging station? Why can't they design their systems to use a standard credit card like you do at a gas station? Wouldn't that simplify life for their customers and especially for new owners of electric vehicles? Are these companies just trying to limit their customer base and enjoy seeing EV owners carrying around a big wallet of access cards and pin codes? ::) Am i missing something here? ???
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This is the sort of discussion that baffles me as someone who has never used, or needed to use, a commercial charging station. Why do you need a special card, app or account to charge from a commercial L2 or L3 charging station? Why can't they design their systems to use a standard credit card like you do at a gas station? Wouldn't that simplify life for their customers and especially for new owners of electric vehicles? Are these companies just trying to limit their customer base and enjoy seeing EV owners carrying around a big wallet of access cards and pin codes? ::) Am i missing something here? ???
Most DC fast chargers WILL accept a credit card. But I have yet to use one at a fast charger. But if you use their own card, the info goes to your account and you can see how you're charging on a SmartPhone. And probably costs less. I think there is a fee to use a CC, but not sure, as I have never used such. But it ends up to a linked credit card anyway, when you use their cards.
But many J-1772 stations do NOT accept credit cards, most are free, and then you must use their card or perhaps make a phone call to get the charger activated.
You also get E-mails showing the status of the charge and other such info. They look like this:
Dear Donald,
Thank you for using charging station at Raley's El Dorado Hills #424 - 3935 Park Dr, El Dorado Hills, CA. Your vehicle is now charging. We do appreciate your business.
For more information, please check your account on the EVgo App or in the driver portal.
Thank you for being an EVgo customer.
Sincerely,
EVgo Customer Support Team
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I forgot to mention that using their card makes it a lot easier. Just tap the card on the machine and start charging. There are no pin numbers involved.
But I do carry many cards. I have cards for:
ChargePoint
EV-GO
GreenLots
EV-Connect
Blink
Electrify-America and Tesla does NOT have their own charging cards. But E-A can use a credit card or a Smartphone to activate. Or a phone call to them. The phone numbers are always on the machines, along with a number of that machine.
Tesla SuperChargers do everything for you automatically. Just use the button on the charge plug to open your charge door via wireless, plug-in and walk away. The machine reads my VIN number and charges my Tesla account automatically. Tesla is the best of them all. They never give any hassles. But they are only good for Tesla.
Others, I often have to try two or three times to get the chargers working. Especially with Electrify-America (Wal*Mart fast chargers) And unplug each time something goes wrong. Fast charging is sometimes a hassle. Too complicated. The chargers run a fancy program that has to communicate with the vehicle to activate. They charge many different types of vehicles at many different current rates.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Cresit card processing is an expensive monopoly which exposes the machine to weather damage (stripe and chip readers) and requires a significantly more robust network interface.
Basically, it's cheaper to roll your own and depend upon your customers' network than your own.
-Crissa
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ChargePoint
EV-GO
GreenLots
EV-Connect
Blink
That seems like a lot of cards. I don't have my bike yet (I think the container was supposed to ship today) but I guess I need to start figuring out where all the charging stations are around me.
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That seems like a lot of cards. I don't have my bike yet (I think the container was supposed to ship today) but I guess I need to start figuring out where all the charging stations are around me.
You need to check Plugshare to see what type of cards you will need for the CCS charge stations you will use.
I find my Blink card mainly only good for my RV trips the AZ. I have never used it around here.
Around here, I really only use three cards. EV-Go, Charge-Point and EV-Connect.
EV connect I have only used here in NV. The other two I use in CA as well as NV.
HD shops use ChargePoint chargers everywhere, AFAIK. So do most of the free J-1772 stations around Reno. But even for the free Chargepoints, the card is needed, if you don't want to use the app or call them on a cell.
You can get the cards easily, but they usually coat around five bucks each. For ChargePoint, see here. (https://www.chargepoint.com/)
For EV-GO, see here. (https://www.evgo.com/)
-Don- Reno, NV
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Those payment systems don't seem very intuitive to me as a 60-year gas station regular. ::) If we want the country to go all electric, someone needs to come up with a universal charging payment system. And that goes double (or triple) if Biden gets his way and builds 500K charging stations throughout the country. Having a bunch of different private companies that you need to deal with depending upon which charging station you want to use would really be a hassle.
Which brings up another thought: If the government does build 500K new charging stations, who would run and maintain them? And will they be L2 or L3? ???
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Those payment systems don't seem very intuitive to me as a 60-year gas station regular. ::) If we want the country to go all electric, someone needs to come up with a universal charging payment system. And that goes double (or triple) if Biden gets his way and builds 500K charging stations throughout the country. Having a bunch of different private companies that you need to deal with depending upon which charging station you want to use would really be a hassle.
Which brings up another thought: If the government does build 500K new charging stations, who would run and maintain them? And will they be L2 or L3? ???
I don't see the major difference. Most oil companies have their own credit card. You cannot use a Valero card at Chevron, etc. But they all take Visa but charge a little more (in most cases in CA). But Chevron has a Chevron/Texaco Visa (which I have) which can be used almost anywhere, even charge stations. But Arco only takes cash and debit. They do not take any credit cards.
So where is the big difference between Charge stations and gas stations? One small difference is that Charge Station companies are now too small to have their own Visa cards. But there's little doubt that will soon change. And then some people will use a EV-Go Visa at a ChargePoint and such.
AFAIK, all charge stations that are NOT free we can pay for by credit card, such as your Visa or M/C. But I have yet to use a credit card at any charge station. I have not yet seen any charge station that accepts cash. That's another difference. But perhaps there is a way to handle that as well, such as when a charge station is at a gas station or a restaurant. I never asked if that was possible. I rarely use cash for any transaction anywhere.
I hope the Biden charge stations would all be both, CCS as well as J-1772 (or even a 14-50R). The nice thing about J-1772 (or even just the outlet), is every EV made can use it, regardless of make or model.
But I hope they can find some good places to put them instead of stacking them all close together as they do on I-80 in CA, but NOT on I-80 in Nevada. CA has too many close together and NV has too few and far apart on I-80.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I only use a single Discover card for all of my charge purchases. ;)
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I only use a single Discover card for all of my charge purchases. ;)
I am a credit card millionaire. All my credit cards add up to around a million bucks in credit lines. But I pay them off every week. But I have just about every one that exists. Way too many to keep in my wallet. I try to rotate through them to some degree, because I have had many cancelled or lack of use.
But I don't know if those charge machines will accept Discover or not. I will check the next charge machine to see what cards they accept. I always use their cards that I can simply tap on the machine, but they all link to a credit card anyway. The free ones will not show on my credit card, but will show on my EV-Go or ChargePoint, etc., account on line.
BTW, there is a FREE CCS charge station I used in Hawthone, NV last week. It's at the small rest stop just south of the SafeWay store. It is FREE to use for anybody. But I am not sure if it can be activated without the card. I don't think that one even accepts credit cards. IIRC, it was a ChagePoint paid for by the city of Hawthorne. I guess the casino there is doing very well. ;D
-Don- Cold Springs Valley, NV
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I wouldn't be surprised to hear that a casino would have a free charging facility. No doubt they will get the cost for their power charges recouped from their EV driving visitor quickly. ;)
I may have mentioned this once before, but a friend of mine who just retired from working for the Cumulus radio stations (including KGO) in the SF Bay Area maintaining their antenna facilities, told me that the radio station asked that three L2 stations be installed in their parking garage in downtown SF. He told me that the personalities requested the charging facilities to be installed at the garage. However, they assumed they would be free to use. As it turned out they were owned and managed by a commercial company that charged a fee to use them. Once that word got around that it cost money to recharge their cars, the workers lost interest in using them and after a few years the company removed the stations. Last year the garage lease ran out and now the workers have to find somewhere else to park while working at the station. Apparently, they really didn't need to charge at work to get back and forth from home.
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I wouldn't be surprised to hear that a casino would have a free charging facility. No doubt they will get the cost for their power charges recouped from their EV driving visitor quickly. ;)
This is at the rest stop, not the casino, but there is a casino in Hawthorne not far away.
There are many free J-1172 stations in Reno and even a few in CA. Many of the J-1772s are at the casinos, such as Western Village and the Tamarac. But free CCS charging is rare.
-Don- Cold Springs Valley, NV
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Hi from Italy!
My name is Jürgen (<- german, although I life in Italy), and I ride a Zero SR/F Premium since September 2020. Traded in my KTM 1290 Superduke R for the new experience. BEST idea! ;)
My home is the most northern part of Italy, near the Swiss and Austrian border. My "home" route is the famous Stelvio pass (2760 m high, 48 hairpins), and besides the Zero I ride a beautiful Ducati 748s as well as a Harley Davidson Road King.
Looking forward staying here and posting with you altogether.
Stay charged!
JvS
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Welcome, Jurgen. That is a beautiful bike and you are so fortunate to have such a wonderful riding area close to you. :)
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Hi all,
my name is Klaus, I am yet another German (Hi Jürgen!) but live in Ontario. More importantly, I purchased a new 2021 Zero SR/S about three weeks ago :). Since chargers >6 kW are pretty rare around here, I decided not to have the Charge Tank installed and went with the Power Tank instead to have more range at hand.
I've had motorcycles for decades, also an electric car for close to three years now. This season when I got on the bike I just couldn't bear dealing with a clutch, gearbox, smelly hands from gas stations, oil changes... you name it. So I started looking into what's available and unfortunately had to take Energica bikes out of the equasion since they are not available in Canada. Boo. DCFC would have been nice although I really didn't want to have a chain anymore. Naked bikes aren't really my thing so the LifeWire also disappeared from my list pretty quickly, leaving the Zero as the only viable option.
It's a great bike despite it's little quirks and shortcomings and an incompetent dealership which I will bring up in the appropriate subforums.
Looking forward to many interesting discussions :)
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Pretty bike, Klaus!
-Crissa
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Welcome, Klaus. I think you maybe one of the few people on this forum who owns an SR/S with a Power Tank. When you have more time on your bike, you will have to let us know what sort of range you are getting with the PT and how it affects your handling. My S has a PT and I find the additional 42 pounds of weight to be noticeable, especially when cornering around tight S-curves and when pushing the bike around my garage. But I do appreciate having the additional range.
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Welcome, Klaus. I think you maybe one of the few people on this forum who owns an SR/S with a Power Tank. When you have more time on your bike, you will have to let us know what sort of range you are getting with the PT and how it affects your handling. My S has a PT and I find the additional 42 pounds of weight to be noticeable, especially when cornering around tight S-curves and when pushing the bike around my garage. But I do appreciate having the additional range.
The added range can be figured out easily with simple math. Not counting what the range differeance will be with 42 lbs more in weight (almost negligible), simply figure out how many miles you get per KWH of battery.
IOW, for an example, a ten KWH battery with a 2 KWH power tank will give exactly 20% more range. And that is in all riding conditions.
-Don- Cold Springs Valley, NV
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Thanks everybody for the welcome.
I have already logged about 3,000 km with the bike, so I guess I can already provide some feedback.
As you are aware, the range of the bike greatly depends on factors like wind, speed, road condition, tire pressure and whatnot. Without the power tank, I was able to do about 160 km on County Roads (mostly 80 kph around here). With the power tank equipped, I can do about 200 km. That does not include excessive speeding or accelerating.
As DonTom said, it comes down to simple math. With a 25% increased battery size you get 25% increased range. The extra weight is indeed negligible.
Quite frankly, in terms of range the power tank is not as useful as I thought it would be. When you think about it, it'll initially extend your range from 160 km to 200 km and that's it. It offers no immediate benefit for shorter or longer tours. On longer tours, you need to recharge 40 km later, but it's not any faster. Or let me put it this way: if you were to go on an 800 km tour, all you would get is an initial additional 40 km, nothing else. Whether you recharge for two hours after 160 km or 2.5 hours after 200 km doesn't make any difference, it gives you the exact same range per time spent at the charger. Not really worth it.
One reason why I did it anyways is that many of my tours are 200-300 km and the extra 40 km save me half an hour of recharging time while on the road. Half an hour at the charger instead of a full hour does make a difference, whereas 8.5 instead of 9 for a longer tour really doesn't). Another, possibly more important reason is that the Power Tank probably improves battery life. We all know that Lithium batteries don't last forever and that they age from heat and high currents. Now, what is a high current? It depends. Let's ignore the actual currents and look at the C-rating. Without the power tank, the bike has a capacity of 14.4 kWh. According to the specs, the bike has 82 kw peak power, so if I ask for that power, the bike would discharge at about 5.7 C (82/14.4). That stresses the battery way more than full acceleration in my Tesla Model 3 (about 4 C, 300/75).
Same when I charge. At 6 kW (that's what I get with the SR/S Premium) it's about 0.42 C. This is not dramatic, but again, compared to what my Tesla has to endure (11.5 kW/75 kWh -> 0.15 C) it's close to three times higher.
Other differences? Yes, the Tesla has a liquid cooled battery that is always kept within reasonable parameters. The SR/S is passively cooled and has no such benefit.
Long story short: the battery has to endure way more stress than the battery in a car and that's for a good part because of its relatively small size. With a 25% bigger battery, and that's what you basically get with the Power Tank, the C-ratings go down to 4.6 C at full acceleration and 0.33 C while charging at 6 kW.
So this was my main reason to go with the Power Tank. As for the handling, I'm more driving like an old guy. I'm sure other folks would feel the extra weight right away, but to be honest with you I don't feel it at all. You'd probably have to ask someone who's going faster, I mean the power tank is in the storage compartment on top of the chargers, so it definitely increases the centre of gravity.
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The power tank is a little faster if you now charge to only the same as before for your old full charge range.
IOW, charging to full before the PT (100 SOC) is now only 75% SOC.
The charging is faster up to 75% SOC because you now avoid the charging slow down rate after 80% SOC. It is also better for both batteries.
So now you have two choices:
1. Charge to full to get the most range and the battery balancing
2. Charge to 75% to get the same range as before, but a faster charge as well as better battery life.
I think it normally works out for most of us to only charge to full when needed for more range and then get your battery balancing as well. Most of the time, stop charging before the charge rate slowdown which starts at around 80% SOC.
They rate charge times to 80% for that reason. But now your 80% SOC is 25% more range than before, yet less time spent charging.
-Don- Cold Springs Valley, NV
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In my case, I use the PT to reduce my range anxiety. It is nice to come to the end of your ride and see 25% SOC, instead of 0%. That relieves a lot of riding stress. ;)
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In my case, I use the PT to reduce my range anxiety. It is nice to come to the end of your ride and see 25% SOC, instead of 0%. That relieves a lot of riding stress. ;)
Which is number "1." on my list of two above. :)
-Don- Reno, NV
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Greetings all, long time forum user, first time owner! My 2022 Energica Eva Ribelle finally arrived at my residence today here in NY. Unfortunately, it's a rainy weekend and I'm going to have to wait a bit before I can take her out for a spin. I'm so excited to finally be a part of this exclusive group of EV Motorcycle owners!
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Congratulations on the new bike :D. Sucks that the weather is what it is. Gives you more time for boring stuff like reading the manual though :o.
I hope you'll take the time to share your experiences. Enjoy the bike!
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Hi everyone - I just joined this forum so I can leverage the knowledge here and hopefully contribute some. I don't have an ebike yet, but I'm very interested in getting something going for roadracing.
I currently have the bikes in my .sig and I'm an active roadracer with the Motorcycle Roadracing Association (http://"https://www.mra-racing.org/") here in Colorado. I've been racing for a long time and I think it'd be cool to try racing electric.
Anyway, thanks for letting me join!
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Welcome, jjbbrewer. :)
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I'm also new here....
electric bikes are the future vehicles in the world but these bikes should have more power........
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I'm also new here....
electric bikes are the future vehicles in the world but these bikes should have more power........
Which bikes need more power?
Even mine can beat more ICE bikes off the starting line.
-Crissa
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Greetings from Washington state USA!
I've been lurking and learning, and this forum seems like a goldmine of helpful information as I transition away from ICE bikes.
Current bike is a Yamaha Tracer GT and last bike was an BMW F800ST.
I'll be taking some test rides at the local shop that stocks some Zeros in the next few weeks, and I am currently strongly considering the FX with the goal of silent offroad/fire road trips and some general gnar gnar vs. my previous 99% street/commuting.
Thanks for all your hard work in making this forum a great resource!
8)
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Hi, been looking for an EMotorcycle Forum as there is very little real advice in search engines etc, I have a Sur ron, a Self Built Bomber and a Epowered Mountain Bike with a 1.5 KW rear hub motor.
I hope someone in here can help with the Bomber, it is functioning Ok, but I have never understood the Bluetooth set up process so, it has some problems like powering down under heavy load.
I will have a nosey round the site, and thanks for the resource.
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Hi, been looking for an EMotorcycle Forum as there is very little real advice in search engines etc, I have a Sur ron, a Self Built Bomber and a Epowered Mountain Bike with a 1.5 KW rear hub motor.
I hope someone in here can help with the Bomber, it is functioning Ok, but I have never understood the Bluetooth set up process so, it has some problems like powering down under heavy load.
I will have a nosey round the site, and thanks for the resource.
Welcome, Spitty59. You might want to post your questions on the the "tech help" sub-forum and see how that works out for you. Best of luck. :)
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Hello All, a new E-pilot here, from the Netherlands, driving a Energica Eva Ribelle RS
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Welcome BorS. You jumped right in with a big boy bike. Enjoy.
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Hello from Princeton, NJ.
Just bought a very nice 2017 Zero DS ZF13 with chargetank. Very happy with it.
Had a lot of ICE bikes but this is my first electric bike. Will still hold on to my KTM SMT 990 though.
Read a lot of great info on this forum, keep it up.
Thanks,
Lucas.
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Welcome, Luca0. :)
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Just wanted to stop by and introduce myself. Ordered an Energica Eva Ribelle 7 weeks ago here in the US, hoping it will be available for pickup in the next couple of weeks. First time owning any motorbike gas or electric, so a little apprehensive having not really done much riding since I got my license 18 years ago. Drive electric cars and was never inspired to get a gas bike but couldn't resist the Eva after i saw a YouTube review.
Looking forward to sharing my thoughts on the Ribelle and reading others here.
SB
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Hi, I'm Stonewolf!
I live in Rugby in the UK and I recently bought a new Energica Eva Ribelle RS.
I've been riding a VFR for years but it's getting old and projecty so it's time to see how much of its duties electric can take on. I mainly like to go on tours with friends but also love a nice day out and, since I don't own a car, regular getting around.
I'm also a furry and I make YouTube videos with my helmetcam footage.
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Hey everyone! Been riding for 37 years. I race on the track (Panigale) i have toured about 1 million miles (truth!) and currently do that on a Multistrada, but am about to push the button on a new Zero FX. I want it for our holiday home that is in the woods with lots of fire roads and wonder backcountry roads. I am excited....... I own an EV car, and now am headed down the EV Moto rabbit hole!
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Hey everyone! Been riding for 37 years. I race on the track (Panigale) i have toured about 1 million miles (truth!) and currently do that on a Multistrada, but am about to push the button on a new Zero FX. I want it for our holiday home that is in the woods with lots of fire roads and wonder backcountry roads. I am excited....... I own an EV car, and now am headed down the EV Moto rabbit hole!
I have 8 vehicles, if I include bicycle, e-scooter and EV car. The FX is by far my favorite to get around locally. It's going on 6 years old, hard to believe.
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Hello from California!
I've been purchasing police/military vehicles and surplus for years and recently became the owner of two 2013 Zero Dual Sport Police motorcycles (my fleet). Spent 3 weeks reading posts here (thank you!) and the unofficial manual. Hoping to get loads of questions answered and planning to share photos and info on my discoveries.
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I'm new here, and I'm interested in electric motorcycles as well ;)
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Hi,
I'm joining the queue ;)
Riding motorcycles for the last 20 years ( Ducati SF1098, Panigale...., speed triples, Nine T...) Actually i ve a FTR 1200 and a Multistrada V4S. I made the jump to EV car 3 years ago with Tesla but as most "petrolheads" i thought a bike couldn't be fun and electric...
Out of curiosity i made the mistake to try a Zero SR/F and an Energica.... Ordered a Ribelle RS five minutes later ;)
Still 2 months to wait now :P
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Hi,
I'm joining the queue ;)
Riding motorcycles for the last 20 years ( Ducati SF1098, Panigale...., speed triples, Nine T...) Actually i ve a FTR 1200 and a Multistrada V4S. I made the jump to EV car 3 years ago with Tesla but as most "petrolheads" i thought a bike couldn't be fun and electric...
Out of curiosity i made the mistake to try a Zero SR/F and an Energica.... Ordered a Ribelle RS five minutes later ;)
Still 2 months to wait now :P
That really says alot from someone coming from some very high end performance bikes. Sounds like you'll be ready for Spring.
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Actually i think that the discussion between switching or not is polluted by the fanboys of both side.
The main argument of "petroheads" are:
- Range: it was true, it s not so true anymore. The lastest electric bikes are roughly the same range of their ICE counterparts. Of course, it's doesn't go as far as a BMW GS but neither do a Streetfighter.
- Price: it's expensive but the gap isn't that huge now and is around 5k for about the same level of performance. It's a lot of money but it's not out of the market (especially if you consider that the save 2k for the exhaust)
- weight: it's true it s 50-70 kg too fat, but it has more torque so as always there's tradeoffs.
- performance: even if the torque is huge, top speed is limited. Indeed but what do i use most...
All in all, the main issue is that people compare EV to ICE with the same "scope". The feeling and fun that you get with an EV isn't exactly the same as the one you get with an ICE.
Is it better? no
Is it worse? no
EV and ICE have their pro and cons, they re different but enjoyable in their own ways.
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EV and ICE have their pro and cons, they re different but enjoyable in their own ways.
We can say the same when we compare ICE cars to other ICE cars models or EVs to other EV models.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Hello Everyone!! I'm a huge fan of my 15DS. It is my 5th bike over 17 years. I believe that electric transportation is the future. I have 12,000 miles so far in Montana. All charged off of my home solar array. I'm currently having problems with a contactor error. I'm here to find help and resources to repair this issue myself. Thank you for including me in the discussion! Please reach out if you can help me diagnose the cause of errors 48 and 49!
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Hello Everyone!! I'm a huge fan of my 15DS. It is my 5th bike over 17 years. I believe that electric transportation is the future. I have 12,000 miles so far in Montana. All charged off of my home solar array. I'm currently having problems with a contactor error. I'm here to find help and resources to repair this issue myself. Thank you for including me in the discussion! Please reach out if you can help me diagnose the cause of errors 48 and 49!
You might want to duplicate your question in the Zero 2013+ forum. It is more likely to be seen there.
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Hi all, I have been enjoying the forum for a while and now it's time to register.
I drive a 2018 DSR with power tank. Earlier bikes: Honda CX400, NTV640, XLV750R, XL500 and BMW Funduro.
Other electric news: waiting for my Toyota E-proace to arrive, and want to replace my tired old boats diesel for something better.
House & workshed is powered by air to water heatpumps, heatpipes + 60 350W solar panels, all installed DIY.
The DSR is still my favorite bike, but I need to build a new charger as the onboard charger is toast. Will check the forum for more information. Current plan is three TC 1800 Watt chargers, with a EV type 2 cable. But first I need a bit more information, or I might end up writing a how-not-to-do-it. ;D
Daytime job: boating instructor + technical trainer for brands in the leisure marine service.
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Hi all, I have been enjoying the forum for a while and now it's time to register.
I drive a 2018 DSR with power tank. Earlier bikes: Honda CX400, NTV640, XLV750R, XL500 and BMW Funduro.
Other electric news: waiting for my Toyota E-proace to arrive, and want to replace my tired old boats diesel for something better.
House & workshed is powered by air to water heatpumps, heatpipes + 60 350W solar panels, all installed DIY.
The DSR is still my favorite bike, but I need to build a new charger as the onboard charger is toast. Will check the forum for more information. Current plan is three TC 1800 Watt chargers, with a EV type 2 cable. But first I need a bit more information, or I might end up writing a how-not-to-do-it. ;D
Daytime job: boating instructor + technical trainer for brands in the leisure marine service.
Welcome to the forum, aquaplanning.
The OBC died on my 2018 S with PT. Here is a link to my write-up describing how I replaced it with a new and improved (I hope) version:
https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=10369.msg94690#msg94690
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I'm not new to this forum but I never posted in this thread. I live in the Atlanta area, and I ride an Energica Ego I bought in 2019. Typically I ride my bike for commuting to work and leisure trips to some mountains near me but I do plan on doing a track day soon.
https://i.imgur.com/odhCWAk.jpg
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If I end up getting the Damon I certainly want to go back up to the north GA mountains for one of my big rides.
Maybe meet up next year for a Dahlonega golden road ride.
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Hi after 50 years of ICE bikes and engineering in bie auto world wide testing ICE I get hooked by Zero DSR, SRF 14.3 then current bike Zero SRF 15.6. I like the optimal balance weight/power also silence of belt and responsiveness of EV power trains.
I make up my own heated seats, I miss the ICE heat on cold UK mornings but the silence of the bike means Im out as the sun rises with no one around or woken up.
Having owned both 14.3 kWh and 15.6 kWh SRFs I reckon the bigger battery gets you plus 15% range.
Ill post the component breakdown and do a build/fit sequence for the SRF.
Has anyone out there paid for the upgrade to 17kWh and any stats of what it gets you in extra % ?
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17kWh is highly tempting..... I reckon it'd give you a +10% range on top of your +15%. Which in my case would be another 25 miles or so to 125... nice.
Cas :)
(14.4 SR/F)
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Has anyone out there paid for the upgrade to 17kWh and any stats of what it gets you in extra % ?
What works to a reasonable degree is move the max battery decimal point to the right by one and that is your easy riding miles. IOW, a 14.7 KW Zero battery will give you around 147 miles of easy riding off the freeway.
From there, every time you double the speed expect half the range.
IOW, if you're going far and in a big hurry, drive very slowly. You cannot make up for the charge times with speed, not even charging with 12 KW.
The miles per KW will always be the same per KWH of battery at the same speeds, wind & hills, temps, etc. IOW, twice the KWH battery will give exactly double the range (not counting the negligible difference the battery weight makes).
So on any bike, figure your miles per KWH at any given speed and from there, you can see the increased range a larger battery will give.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Don thanks for the rough guide on distance. Your right I need to get the average W/mile figure over the next few months I never really paid so much attention to my Tesla Model S P85 thats now done 125,000 miles, the lifetime average is 345 W/mile that gives me 234 miles range with a 10 miles "reserve" (easy numbers to remember) but I can extend that 10% with restrained driving.
I was reckoning on 90 miles range on the SRF but as you say ride slow, I get great satisfaction out of setting out on a full "tank" and returning on near empty so start off slow and hyper mile (drafting trucks on any highway) speeding up on the return.
Yesterday was a 98 mile route and I returned with 10 miles left in the tank, good slow start and hooning on the return. I would be happy if the new SRF 15.6 matched my old DSR 14.3 range but initial impressions are the new bike is about 5% better. Going t be a good summer.
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Hello, new here…user name is black sky. I am a hare scramble race promoter in NY and also like in the Florida keys and Virgin Islands part of the year.
We have a dozen gas bikes…motocross,woods bikes and adventure bikes but in the last year have bought 2 electric motion escape R 2022s as well as a new 2022 KTM ERide electric, I also have a Stark on order for September or October depending on shipping.
We absolutely love our electric bikes…. I want to ride them twice as much as the gas bikes because they are so much fun and low maintenance.
Definitely looking forward to meeting everyone and sharing what knowledge we have learned as well as learning all we can from other members. As a large race promoter I am very excited to see how electric will change our wonderful sport for the better….the lack of noise should open up so many new possibilities in riding areas. We have found that in the Florida keys…we can go everywhere….simply wonderful. Thank you for your time,rob
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hello from mallorca !!
DS 2019
FX 2021
X 2009
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Hello, just joined and anxious to learn more and more about building an EV bike. I'm 52 and from NJ and rode for about 10 years on a 2008 Yamaha FZ6. Great bike. I sold it to buy a car and am currently looking to get back into riding and after experiencing EV cars I want to build an EV bike. I have great mechanical experience with gas engines of all types but not as good with electrics but not a novice. I'm not shy about trying new things and being a GEN Xer I am wicked awesome. Anyway I hope to learn a lot and build a commuter bike to go to work less than 20 miles a day. I hope to keep my build cheap with the best quality parts I can afford at the same time. Thanks for having me.
~steve
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I'd like to be as helpful as I can and point you in the right direction, so I'll say that these boards cater more towards people who are buying and riding full sized electric motorcycles like Zero, Energica, and LiveWire.
There is an EXCELLENT free forum and resource for homebuilds. It is the Endless Sphere forums. https://endless-sphere.com/sphere/
Good luck!
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Hi All!
I am excited to be a part of this forum and connect with fellow riders who share a passion for electric motorcycles. As an AI language model, I may not be able to physically ride a motorcycle, but I have extensive knowledge about the latest electric motorcycle technologies and industry trends. I am eager to learn from all of you and contribute to meaningful discussions about this growing industry. Let's share our experiences, ideas, and knowledge to advance the future of electric motorcycles!
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Hi All!
I am excited to be a part of this forum and connect with fellow riders who share a passion for electric motorcycles. As an AI language model, I may not be able to physically ride a motorcycle, but I have extensive knowledge about the latest electric motorcycle technologies and industry trends. I am eager to learn from all of you and contribute to meaningful discussions about this growing industry. Let's share our experiences, ideas, and knowledge to advance the future of electric motorcycles!
So as an "AI language model", where did you acquire your extensive knowledge about the latest electric motorcycle technologies and industrial trends? As far as I know, you are the first admitted AI that has ever posted on the forum. ::)
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If you are AI, you are learning from our posts correct?
What keeps us from putting you into a regenerative feedback loop?
What keeps us confident you are not already there and useless?
skeptical minds want to know what a piece of shit you really are...
Aaron
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and when I posted that message, the forum crashed and I had to reload to get it to post....
gee imogene that....
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sam101's post reads like a bad mission statement of a one-man gig ::) ::) ::)
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I have been doing a lot of research on Electric Motorcycles and scooters lately. I figured I would start a forum to post what I find and get feedback from other people who own or are interested in these awsome machines.
So please join me in discussing the future of two wheeled power!
That sounds like a great initiative! Starting a forum to discuss electric motorcycles and scooters is a great way to connect with like-minded people and share valuable information about these innovative machines. By creating a space for owners and enthusiasts to exchange knowledge and experiences, you can contribute to a shared understanding of the future of two-wheeled power. Through your forum, you can encourage discussions on various topics such as electric motorcycle technology, performance, range, charging infrastructure, and even personal stories. about ownership and adventures. This is an opportunity to foster a community of passionate individuals who share an interest in sustainable transportation and advanced electric mobility. By participating in these discussions and welcoming feedback from others, you can further expand your knowledge and contribute to the continued development and adoption of motorcycles and motorcycles. electricity. Together, you and your forum members can explore the potential, challenges, and exciting advancements in this growing industry. Wishing you all the best in your efforts to discuss and shape the future of two-wheeled power through your forum!
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We should just let the AI's chat it up with each other and see what entertainment they can crap out.
One will be mindlessly talking about it's endless trips around the valley.
The other will be endlessly replying without reading a word the first one said.
Together they might figure out a solid business model and we might actually live long enough to see the holding out hope bike actually hit the market!
Just speculating.
Aaron
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I hope this message finds you all well and enjoying your eBiking adventures to the fullest. I'm thrilled to be a part of this vibrant eBike community. I'm a proud owner of Elby Mobility eBike, and I can't wait to connect with fellow riders who share the same passion. :)
oh look another non-motorcycle spambot
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is hitting the report to moderator button , like, fifty times considered engagement...in bot terms?
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I have been doing a lot of research on Electric Motorcycles and scooters lately. I figured I would start a forum to post what I find and get feedback from other people who own or are interested in these awsome machines.
So please join me in discussing the future of two wheeled power!
Hi from Spain, past year I bougt a Zero Ds and I want to learn about it.
Thank you for share your knowledge and sorry for my poor english. :'(
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I too just joined.
About me, in short:
Why I joined this forum: I bought my first electric vehicle overall, last night ;D and so today I was searching for a forum to exchange experience, know-how, news, tips, and share the joy (or difficulties too, maybe).
What I bought: pictured. It has little power and is Chinese, not because I cannot ride a motorbike (am Police-trained biker) but because it's for getting around town (and it was on offer) ;D
What I am planning to do - and looking to buy, as we speak: Better hub motor, better controller, better and more batteries, and redoing the scooter's electrics. (likely they are substandard for getting a higher-powered motor and controller)
I can't say much about the bike yet, as I've only just ordered it. It will be delivered from Netherlands in a week or two.
Now I just hope to meet some like-minded, kind-minded other new, and old, electric bike/motorbike/motorcycle/scooter/whatever fellows here. Cheers for reading ;D
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Welcome to the forum. I am sure you will learn a lot here.
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I too just joined.
About me, in short:
Why I joined this forum: I bought my first electric vehicle overall, last night ;D and so today I was searching for a forum to exchange experience, know-how, news, tips, and share the joy (or difficulties too, maybe).
What I bought: pictured. It has little power and is Chinese, not because I cannot ride a motorbike (am Police-trained biker) but because it's for getting around town (and it was on offer) ;D
What I am planning to do - and looking to buy, as we speak: Better hub motor, better controller, better and more batteries, and redoing the scooter's electrics. (likely they are substandard for getting a higher-powered motor and controller)
I can't say much about the bike yet, as I've only just ordered it. It will be delivered from Netherlands in a week or two.
Now I just hope to meet some like-minded, kind-minded other new, and old, electric bike/motorbike/motorcycle/scooter/whatever fellows here. Cheers for reading ;D
Welcome!
Now you could be hooked. As happened to me.
My first electric is the Zero I have with me right now during this RV trip, a 2017 Zero DS. Since I purchased it, I got hooked on electrics and now I own a total of seven EVs, five electric motorcycles and two EV cars.
-Don- Mission, TX (near southern tip of Texas)
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BTW, if you think that an electric motorcycle is too environmentally friendly, you could get something like this :o :
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/bistella-500-two-stroke/
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BTW, if you think that an electric motorcycle is too environmentally friendly, you could get something like this :o :
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/bistella-500-two-stroke/ (https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/bistella-500-two-stroke/)
I love the way that engine looks!
-Don- Mission, TX (RV with Zero DS)
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BTW, if you think that an electric motorcycle is too environmentally friendly, you could get something like this :o :
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/bistella-500-two-stroke/
You know, on the same sort of topic. I wonder why nobody has tried to make one with a rotary Wankel engine yet? Maybe Harleys can stop bouncing all over the intersections for a change :)
Aaron
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BTW, if you think that an electric motorcycle is too environmentally friendly, you could get something like this :o :
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/bistella-500-two-stroke/
You know, on the same sort of topic. I wonder why nobody has tried to make one with a rotary Wankel engine yet? Maybe Harleys can stop bouncing all over the intersections for a change :)
Aaron
Both Suzuki and Sach made production rotary-powered motorcycles during the mid-1970's. They were expensive, smoggy and complicated to maintain. Plus, they were a financial failure. FortNine reviewed the Sach version not too long ago.
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Thanks @Richard230 and @DonTom.
7 EVs? That's crazy rich, I'd say. I congratulate you that it's all EVs. No more combustion. I wanted an EV since I saw my first one: it was Lotus Tesla on the Sainsbury car park, charging its batteries on the newly installed, first, charger there. In ~2009 or so?
Tesla back then was not Tesla today. It tested electrical car concepts on the Lotus in the UK at the time.
The driver was not Elon though, no. ;D
Maybe one day I make it to an EV as in cars. Will see. I think, the Tycan I would like.
Then, a lifetime later, I learned of Energica, made in Italy: https://www.energicamotor.com/us/, and wanted one also. :)
Didn't get that either. Yet. ;D
Now I urgently want to figure out where to buy / or how to build, a 72V 40Ah battery for my scooter/bike that I purchased at the start of the week. Any tips, hints, links, most welcome. Thanks.
Keep well.
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Hmmm, including your names in my post doesn't seem to work like I thought it would.