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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: coppit on June 09, 2021, 09:28:40 PM
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I thought the SR/S had an automatic turn signal canceler, as well as the SR/F.
But in the year or so that I've had my SR/S, I've never seen it work. Am I wrong about the feature? Does yours work, even partially?
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It works but it takes ridiculously long to cancel. As in really 10 times to long...
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I have a SR/S, - I did not know that it had self cancelling signals !!!
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The time out is like 30 seconds or a minute, right?
-Crissa
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1 mile (per Zero tech support).
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A mile?!? That’s too long! I wonder if the parameters could be fettled by the dealer through the bikes computer? Either way, I have trained myself to occasionally cancel the signals every so often whilst riding and especially after turning. There’s no clutch so no excuse!
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20 SR/S
Never seen it work, didn't know it had that feature.
Given what Karl said about 1 mile I'll try testing this on the highway, as I cover 1 mile much faster than laws allow. Shouldn't take long.
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1 mile (per Zero tech support).
I see almost no difference between a one mile requirement and not having self cancel at all.
So if you're riding on a city street that has ten blocks in one mile, and a few long red lights, the turn signals stay on for perhaps ten minutes as you pass several blocks where others expect you to turn?
Then why have self cancel at all? Totally useless, the way Zero does it. And I wont use "IMO" here because that is a fact!
-Don- Reno, NV
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It's a pretty common way for auto-cancelling to work.
-Crissa
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It's a pretty common way for auto-cancelling to work.
-Crissa
Not on any of my bikes. For an example, my 1984 Venture. It automatically cancels after I get up to around ten MPH after the turn, if from a stop. It has always turned off EXACTLY when I wanted it to. It does the job better than people can. And that is a 38 year old bike (by frame date) and designed more than 40 years ago.
Most of my bikes have self cancelling turn signals. The ones that do all work perfectly. MUCH better than ANY car I have owned.
None of my electric bikes self cancel. Or maybe they do, if I wait one full mile or something, which is the same as not having it at all.
What other vehicles do you know of that takes a full mile to turn off a turn signal?
-Don- Reno, NV
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It's a pretty common way for auto-cancelling to work.
-Crissa
Not on any of my bikes. For an example, my 1984 Venture. It automatically cancels after I get up to around ten MPH after the turn, if from a stop. It has always turned off EXACTLY when I wanted it to. It does the job better than people can. And that is a 38 year old bike (by frame date) and designed more than 40 years ago.
Most of my bikes have self cancelling turn signals. The ones that do all work perfectly. MUCH better than ANY car I have owned.
None of my electric bikes self cancel. Or maybe they do, if I wait one full mile or something, which is the same as not having it at all.
What other vehicles do you know of that takes a full mile to turn off a turn signal?
-Don- Reno, NV
My 2016 BMW R1200RS must take at least that long to cancel its turn signals. About twice as long as it takes the signals in my 2009 BMW F650GS to cancel. Almost everyone that owns one of the new boxers complains about how long it takes for the signals to cancel - and BMW does nothing to correct the issue as the model years pile up. According to the RS forum dealers say that they can't adjust the signal canceling program. That is the way BMW likes it and you are stuck with it. As usual BMW doesn't care about what the customer wants, they just give you whatever they want to and the more you complain about a problem the more they dig their heels in and refuse to budge. ::) Ah, the joys of being a BMW motorcycle owner. ;)
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My 2016 BMW R1200RS must take at least that long to cancel its turn signals. About twice as long as it takes the signals in my 2009 BMW F650GS to cancel. Almost everyone that owns one of the new boxers complains about how long it takes for the signals to cancel - and BMW does nothing to correct the issue as the model years pile up. According to the RS forum dealers say that they can't adjust the signal canceling program. That is the way BMW likes it and you are stuck with it. As usual BMW doesn't care about what the customer wants, they just give you whatever they want to and the more you complain about a problem the more they dig their heels in and refuse to budge. ::) Ah, the joys of being a BMW motorcycle owner. ;)
Well, my 1971 BMW (which I rode all day yesterday) doesn't have self cancelling turn signals at all, which means it works much like your 2016 RS. :)
I don't think my Energica has self cancelling turn signals either. Or if it does, I have never waited long enough to shut them off to know. :)
I wonder what the issue is that makes is so difficult to do correctly these days when many older bikes had it perfect.
-Don- Reno, NV
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My 2016 BMW R1200RS must take at least that long to cancel its turn signals. About twice as long as it takes the signals in my 2009 BMW F650GS to cancel. Almost everyone that owns one of the new boxers complains about how long it takes for the signals to cancel - and BMW does nothing to correct the issue as the model years pile up. According to the RS forum dealers say that they can't adjust the signal canceling program. That is the way BMW likes it and you are stuck with it. As usual BMW doesn't care about what the customer wants, they just give you whatever they want to and the more you complain about a problem the more they dig their heels in and refuse to budge. ::) Ah, the joys of being a BMW motorcycle owner. ;)
Well, my 1971 BMW (which I rode all day yesterday) doesn't have self cancelling turn signals at all, which means it works much like your 2016 RS. :)
I don't think my Energica has self cancelling turn signals either. Or if it does, I have never waited long enough to shut them off to know. :)
I wonder what the issue is that makes is so difficult to do correctly these days when many older bikes had it perfect.
-Don- Reno, NV
Probably because the motorcycle manufacturers depend upon programmers to make things work right. I am pretty sure that I had a Yamaha around 1980 that had self-canceling indicators, along with a lamp that would let you know when a headlight or tail light had burned out. Those features were likely activated either by some sort of mechanical device or by a simple electrical circuit that didn't any coding. ;)
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Probably because the motorcycle manufacturers depend upon programmers to make things work right. I am pretty sure that I had a Yamaha around 1980 that had self-canceling indicators, along with a lamp that would let you know when a headlight or tail light had burned out. Those features were likely activated either by some sort of mechanical device or by a simple electrical circuit that didn't any coding. ;)
Yeah, my 1984 Yamaha would let me know if the headlight burnt out and if it did, it would switch on the high beam at reduced power. It would also let me know if I was low on brake fluid and many other such things that I have not seen in modern bikes. I think you figured out the reason why.
Also, back then, gear indicators worked a lot better. Most of the new ones are calculated, which makes them useless when they are the most needed. We get a "-" whenever the clutch is in. Even on my 40K$ Harley.
But my 2013 TTSE still uses a mechanical gear indicator.
But of course, the very best way of all is to have no gears at all to indicate. :)
There are a lot of advantages to the older bikes. But the same goes for the newer. And ICE. And electric. Best to have a few of each. :)
-Don- Reno, NV
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My son-in-law's favorite motorcycle is a 1985 Kawasaki GPz550. (Don't ask me why. ::) ) It had an LCD display on top of the fuel tank that kept track of several systems on the bike. One of the things that I recall is that it had a sensor in its battery that would alert the rider to low battery acid level without the rider needing to pull the battery and check it manually. I thought that was pretty neat. Of course now that maintenance-free batteries are all the rage, that device in no longer needed and I bet you can't find a battery that has such a sensor built-in anymore. There were a number of advanced features on Japanese motorcycles during the early 1980's which went by the wayside during the great Japanese motorcycle depression of the mid-1980's. Never to return, likely due to cost considerations and lack of demand by motorcycle customers.
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My son-in-law's favorite motorcycle is a 1985 Kawasaki GPz550. (Don't ask me why. ::) ) It had an LCD display on top of the fuel tank that kept track of several systems on the bike. One of the things that I recall is that it had a sensor in its battery that would alert the rider to low battery acid level without the rider needing to pull the battery and check it manually. I thought that was pretty neat. Of course now that maintenance-free batteries are all the rage, that device in no longer needed and I bet you can't find a battery that has such a sensor built-in anymore. There were a number of advanced features on Japanese motorcycles during the early 1980's which went by the wayside during the great Japanese motorcycle depression of the mid-1980's. Never to return, likely due to cost considerations and lack of demand by motorcycle customers.
My 1984 Venture also checks the battery acid level. It works by a sensor in the battery looking for around six volts. When they went to maintenance free batteries, I added a 22K-ohm resistor in series with the 12 volts + to feed the wire with 6 VDC that no longer has a sensor. That keeps the low level alarm off with a modern battery that has no such sensor.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I put in the STS Turn signal cancelling module a week or so ago. Works pretty well and also retains the ability to self-cancel (but to do so you need to press the turn signal again in the same direction, rather than cancel with a center press as was originally the case with my 2020 Zero DSR).
Write up here:
https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=10147.msg104294#msg104294
(Continues to work pretty well. No to much with lane changes, unless I over exaggerate leaning into the "turn" but decently on most turns of 90? or more...)
-Scott
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I tested the auto cancel on my 2020 SRS on the way home from work last week. As soon as the odometer rolled to a new mile I turned the right blinker on. I was on a rural road at night. The signal turned off within... I'd estimate, 200 yards or less.
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I tested the auto cancel on my 2020 SRS on the way home from work last week. As soon as the odometer rolled to a new mile I turned the right blinker on. I was on a rural road at night. The signal turned off within... I'd estimate, 200 yards or less.
What speed were you traveling?
-Crissa
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Did the same test last night with the left blinker, you know, for science. Starting from the same stoplight to the exact same point in the road where it turned off last time.
This time I was going 50, last time about 60. So I assume it is by distance and not time. Between 100 and 200 yards distance.