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Author Topic: Couple questions about the Delta Quiq Charger  (Read 1064 times)

DonTom

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Re: Couple questions about the Delta Quiq Charger
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2020, 12:29:52 AM »

If it doesn't fit in the compartment I'll probably go with panniers instead, a top box would make it a pain to mount the bike with my short legs.
The Zero top box cannot handle the weight of a single DeltaQ. The side cases have more weight capacity and one charger in each is right at the limit.

-Don-  Auburn, Ca

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Re: Couple questions about the Delta Quiq Charger
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2020, 06:05:59 AM »

I’m curious as to what’s left?

Ok, the difference between your 240v AC power & North America’s is your single Hot leg is 240v to Ground/ Neutral.
Our’s (N. America) is 120v so we use two Hot‘s together to obtain 240v & Neutral is not involved. 
Likely how the units wired (or not) Hot, Ground, & Neutral is what’s at play.   
Perhaps not UL vs CE but certainly a difference in standards. 
Wonder if one could modify to make compliant?
Also perhaps there is a distributor in the EU that can provide a compliant unit?

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Re: Couple questions about the Delta Quiq Charger
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2020, 06:34:10 AM »

Also perhaps there is a distributor in the EU that can provide a compliant unit?
I have no idea what the issue is, because the Delta Q. Chargers can handle anywhere from 100 to 250 VAC 50/60 hz 12-6 amps (12 amps draw on 120 VAC, 6 amps draw on 240 VAC).  1,440 watts input either way. Closer to a KW (1,000 watts) DC output. A little less than the OBC.

I almost always use 240 VAC on my bike and Quick chargers as then I can use a single cord to charge the bike with two quick chargers, as that is only 18 amps at 240 VAC. I have also used this setup on the road very often to charge above 3 KW. But now I have the Elcons so I can charge my Zeros at above 6 KW on the road or 8KW here at home by running two Delta chargers and two Elcons  at the same time. Too much to carry on the bike.

I get the juice out of my Tesla Wall Station that is good for up to 11,800 watts.

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Re: Couple questions about the Delta Quiq Charger
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2020, 08:07:11 AM »

Also perhaps there is a distributor in the EU that can provide a compliant unit?
I have no idea what the issue is, because the Delta Q. Chargers can handle anywhere from 100 to 250 VAC 50/60 hz 12-6 amps (12 amps draw on 120 VAC, 6 amps draw on 240 VAC). ....

Electrically it will handle anything (power) you feed it but it won’t be “Compliant” unless it meets the standards (codes) of the land.   

NEMA vs IEC??
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Re: Couple questions about the Delta Quiq Charger
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2020, 08:19:29 AM »

Electrically it will handle anything (power) you feed it but it won’t be “Compliant” unless it meets the standards (codes) of the land.  NEMA vs IEC??
Zero quick chargers are designed for the world market. I think you will find the only difference with the European version of the Delta Quick Charger will be the AC plug. The rest should be exactly the same as here in the USA.

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Re: Couple questions about the Delta Quiq Charger
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2020, 03:35:31 PM »

I don't believe to the electronics that it cares between hot-neutral and hot-inverse phase hot.  Both are standards in the US.  The voltage is the difference between the phases anyhow.

But I have wondered about it, since I have two sources of 240 in my house and they're wired differently from each other.

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Re: Couple questions about the Delta Quiq Charger
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2020, 05:25:26 PM »

It might be as simple as wire color.
In the US, Neutral is white & in the UK it’s blue. 
Likely to be UK compliment a 240v North American charger would have to be configured so one of the Hot leads would become a Neutral (including wire color change) and applicable fuse & plug added. 

Might be easier (& cheeper) to source a compliment unit locally. 

Also in the U.K., Hot is brown & in the US, typically black (but not limited too).
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Re: Couple questions about the Delta Quiq Charger
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2020, 08:40:37 PM »

It might be as simple as wire color.
In the US, Neutral is white & in the UK it’s blue. 
Likely to be UK compliment a 240v North American charger would have to be configured so one of the Hot leads would become a Neutral (including wire color change) and applicable fuse & plug added. 

Might be easier (& cheeper) to source a compliment unit locally. 

Also in the U.K., Hot is brown & in the US, typically black (but not limited too).
Here in the USA, "neutral" (white) is the centertap of the transformer near the house. That's why it is called "neutral". The two blacks are hot, 240 VAC between them, 120 VAC to either neutral. Since you mentioned there is a neutral in Europe, I was wondering if that was also a centertap and you have 480 VAC available to the houses.

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