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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: GaryArt1 on July 25, 2019, 12:34:21 AM
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So I copied my ZOFG post over to here in case anyone on here is interested . There are photos on the original facebook post (but they are too large for here.
So yesterday I installed some bar risers on my SR/F. I wanted risers mainly to take a little pressure off my wrists. I knew I didn't need much. So I got the Rox 1 1/2" risers that offsets the bar an inch back. I did this because i didn't want the bar to block the dash and wanted it a little bar toward the seat. I really like the way it came out. It just gives enough rise that allows me to sit the way I want and my arms bend a little taking pressure off my wrists and shoulders. Now if you are looking for a totally upright seating position, this is not for you. It is a subtle change but it works for me. The best thing is that other than clipping some zip ties and loosening up the cables/wiring, it worked without any modifications. I just did that, removed the bar, installed the risers with original bolts (with locktight being they are hard to get to after install) and carefully lifted bar unto risers and attached using new bolts and old clamp (I like the look of the old clamp). the wires are taught when the bar swings end to end but not too tight. Gave it a good ride this morning and it worked great. I would highly suggest this mod for anyone who wants a little rise in the bar.
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That’s just about all I would need on the SR/F. Do you notice any change in steering dynamics?
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That’s just about all I would need on the SR/F. Do you notice any change in steering dynamics?
Just took a long ride. Steering was as responsive as it was before. Maybe a little more being the bar is closer to you and all my weight is not on it. As I said, not a huge difference in location but it feels so much better.
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Thanks for the response. I test rode an SR/F and the riding position felt just a little more aggressive than my SR. I think your risers would do the trick. I really like my SR but the new electronic safety features are welcome additions. I know the debate rages over the need for traction control but I am not proud. I am a cautious and experienced rider and I have only spun up the rear tire one time when I first got the bike. I must have hit something slick accelerating away from a stop and I nearly went down. All it takes is once. I’ll take the electronic nannies every time.
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Thanks for the response. I test rode an SR/F and the riding position felt just a little more aggressive than my SR. I think your risers would do the trick. I really like my SR but the new electronic safety features are welcome additions. I know the debate rages over the need for traction control but I am not proud. I am a cautious and experienced rider and I have only spun up the rear tire one time when I first got the bike. I must have hit something slick accelerating away from a stop and I nearly went down. All it takes is once. I’ll take the electronic nannies every time.
Same here with the protection provided by the latest electronics.
If you are a Pro and do regular and precise training to be the best at riding, these features are of lesser or no value, but for the rest of us that only ride occasionally, (or don't want to take it to the next level) it would be foolish not to take advantage of them: They can indeed make a big difference and keep you out of trouble.
This is one of the reasons I entered the EV realm with the SR/F.
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Can you provide a link to the ZOMG post? Thanks.
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Can you provide a link to the ZOMG post? Thanks.
I hope this works. Here it is:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/zmcowners/permalink/2295970777138784/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/zmcowners/permalink/2295970777138784/)
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So I copied my ZOFG post over to here in case anyone on here is interested . There are photos on the original facebook post (but they are too large for here.
So yesterday I installed some bar risers on my SR/F. I wanted risers mainly to take a little pressure off my wrists. I knew I didn't need much. So I got the Rox 1 1/2" risers that offsets the bar an inch back. I did this because i didn't want the bar to block the dash and wanted it a little bar toward the seat. I really like the way it came out. It just gives enough rise that allows me to sit the way I want and my arms bend a little taking pressure off my wrists and shoulders. Now if you are looking for a totally upright seating position, this is not for you. It is a subtle change but it works for me. The best thing is that other than clipping some zip ties and loosening up the cables/wiring, it worked without any modifications. I just did that, removed the bar, installed the risers with original bolts (with locktight being they are hard to get to after install) and carefully lifted bar unto risers and attached using new bolts and old clamp (I like the look of the old clamp). the wires are taught when the bar swings end to end but not too tight. Gave it a good ride this morning and it worked great. I would highly suggest this mod for anyone who wants a little rise in the bar.
I installed the same riser tonight. I'll take my first long ride on it in the morning and will report on the status. I was not able to get the old bracket on and had to use the ones that came with the Rox riser, did you have to do any drilling on the old bracket to get it to fit? I took a quick trip around the block and it felt OK. We'll see on the 50 mile commute in the morning! Thanks for the post/pointer...
Steve
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I didn't adjust the stock clamp at all. Now I am not sure if I used the stock bolts for the clamp or the ones that came with the risers but they just worked. They are the same thread. BTW the more I rode the more I liked the risers. At the beginning I wondered if they were enough of an adjustment. The more I rode, the more I realized they were fine.
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Do you think this model would fit the SR/F as the Rox 1 1/2? This can be found in Europe more easily than the Rox:
https://sw-motech.com/en/products/ergonomics/handlebar/bar+back/4052572041017.htm
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I didn't adjust the stock clamp at all. Now I am not sure if I used the stock bolts for the clamp or the ones that came with the risers but they just worked. They are the same thread. BTW the more I rode the more I liked the risers. At the beginning I wondered if they were enough of an adjustment. The more I rode, the more I realized they were fine.
Worked great this morning. I think I see the problem with the stock bracket thought, I think I got the left/right brackets wrong (I did not realize thy were slightly different)! I can see they don't line up perfectly at the bottom. I'll swap them when I get home and see if the stock bracket will fit, but the new bar position seemed good (no stress on my arms/hands).
Steve
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Do you think this model would fit the SR/F as the Rox 1 1/2? This can be found in Europe more easily than the Rox:
https://sw-motech.com/en/products/ergonomics/handlebar/bar+back/4052572041017.htm
Yes, these fit perfect. I just installed these exact risers this morning on the SR/F. You can even re-use the stock top clamp.
You do have to cut 2 ty-raps of the cables which are a bit of a pain to get to but by turning the handlebar all the way to one side you can just reach them with a small cutter.
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Worked great this morning. I think I see the problem with the stock bracket thought, I think I got the left/right brackets wrong (I did not realize thy were slightly different)! I can see they don't line up perfectly at the bottom. I'll swap them when I get home and see if the stock bracket will fit, but the new bar position seemed good (no stress on my arms/hands).
Steve
I am glad it worked out for you. I did the same thing myself the first time. They look the same but after I put them on I realized I had them reversed. Glad I use non-permanent lock-tite. I always said if I started a construction company I would have to name it deja vu constructiion because I usually end of doing everything twice. First time is practice, second time I get it right.
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Thanks a lot for the information remmie!
So you can confirm that all the cables and other stuff are long enough and you don't have to change any of them?
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Yep, for 99,9 % ;) i havent been able to take a ride yet but in the garage the handlebars can turn fully from left to right without issues. Tomorrow I’ll take it for a test ride and come back with comments
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Thanks a lot for the information remmie!
So you can confirm that all the cables and other stuff are long enough and you don't have to change any of them?
The cables just make it. Just had to cut the tie wraps on the bars, I put new tie wraps back on, just the cables to keep them together.
Steve
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Could you give there the size of the screwdriver to work with? I think T40 is too small to remove the 4 screws of the top clamp.
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Could you give there the size of the screwdriver to work with? I think T40 is too small to remove the 4 screws of the top clamp.
It's a T45.
Steve
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I used the shims for the bottom pieces, I think I got that right
The OEM top clamp had to be screwed flush against the risers to hold the bar - hope that's OK. I don't think I over torqued.
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I used the shims for the bottom pieces, I think I got that right
The OEM top clamp had to be screwed flush against the risers to hold the bar - hope that's OK. I don't I over torqued.
I had a hard time getting the screws to line up with the stock bar clamp, but did manage to get it on. I've got about 500 miles on the bike now with the riser, and it is a good change from my perspective. I had been getting a little pain in my neck from looking up due to the tilt before the riser, and now that pain is gone. Also less stress on my wrists/hands. I'm going to stick with it.
Steve
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I used the shims for the bottom pieces, I think I got that right
The OEM top clamp had to be screwed flush against the risers to hold the bar - hope that's OK. I don't I over torqued.
I had a hard time getting the screws to line up with the stock bar clamp, but did manage to get it on. I've got about 500 miles on the bike now with the riser, and it is a good change from my perspective. I had been getting a little pain in my neck from looking up due to the tilt before the riser, and now that pain is gone. Also less stress on my wrists/hands. I'm going to stick with it.
Steve
Almost exactly my experience. With me it was not so much the neck pain but more on the wrist and the lower back. But with this rise it is spot on.
Others have reported issues with the higher pegs, but after getting used to it I can easily ride long trips without numb legs or painfull knees. Maybe I'll check out the tall seat somday but that would put (a bit) more strain back on the wrists again. Ah well, it's sort of perfect now so why mess with it :)
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I used the shims for the bottom pieces, I think I got that right
The OEM top clamp had to be screwed flush against the risers to hold the bar - hope that's OK. I don't I over torqued.
I had a hard time getting the screws to line up with the stock bar clamp, but did manage to get it on. I've got about 500 miles on the bike now with the riser, and it is a good change from my perspective. I had been getting a little pain in my neck from looking up due to the tilt before the riser, and now that pain is gone. Also less stress on my wrists/hands. I'm going to stick with it.
Steve
Almost exactly my experience. With me it was not so much the neck pain but more on the wrist and the lower back. But with this rise it is spot on.
Others have reported issues with the higher pegs, but after getting used to it I can easily ride long trips without numb legs or painfull knees. Maybe I'll check out the tall seat somday but that would put (a bit) more strain back on the wrists again. Ah well, it's sort of perfect now so why mess with it :)
Remmie, quick question. One thing I've noticed is low speed steering is a little, well weird. I guess due to the geometry change of having the bars off center from the forks. Did you notice that as well? It's not a big enough difference for me to bail, but it's a change.
Steve
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I have always found low speed steering "a little weird" on any motorcycle :) :)
But do you mean U-turns and stuff ?
I guess it is just a matter of getting used to a new bike/setup. The geometry (as in rake and trail etc) didn't change but indeed the pivot point being off center.
I'm still loving the better position and guess I've already adjusted to it.
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I have always found low speed steering "a little weird" on any motorcycle :) :)
But do you mean U-turns and stuff ?
I guess it is just a matter of getting used to a new bike/setup. The geometry (as in rake and trail etc) didn't change but indeed the pivot point being off center.
I'm still loving the better position and guess I've already adjusted to it.
It sort of feels like the bike is fighting me a bit on low speed turns, like the bars are pushing back. Nothing major, just something I noticed after the change. High speed is fine, and I am certainly sticking with the riser!
Steve
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I have always found low speed steering "a little weird" on any motorcycle :) :)
But do you mean U-turns and stuff ?
I guess it is just a matter of getting used to a new bike/setup. The geometry (as in rake and trail etc) didn't change but indeed the pivot point being off center.
I'm still loving the better position and guess I've already adjusted to it.
It sort of feels like the bike is fighting me a bit on low speed turns, like the bars are pushing back. Nothing major, just something I noticed after the change. High speed is fine, and I am certainly sticking with the riser!
Steve
Check your tire air pressures. You can also get that feeling when the rear tire wears a flat spot in the center.
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I have always found low speed steering "a little weird" on any motorcycle :) :)
But do you mean U-turns and stuff ?
I guess it is just a matter of getting used to a new bike/setup. The geometry (as in rake and trail etc) didn't change but indeed the pivot point being off center.
I'm still loving the better position and guess I've already adjusted to it.
It sort of feels like the bike is fighting me a bit on low speed turns, like the bars are pushing back. Nothing major, just something I noticed after the change. High speed is fine, and I am certainly sticking with the riser!
Steve
Check your tire air pressures. You can also get that feeling when the rear tire wears a flat spot in the center.
Thanks Richard. I need to do that, it's been a few weeks (air pressure). I sure hope it's not a "chicken strip" already (3300 miles) :) The way I ride, it could be...
Steve
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Richard, I took a close look at my rear tire in the work parking lot, there is a bit of a flat spot on the rear already (3300 miles). I guess I have to try to find some more corners!
Steve