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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: macstructures on July 14, 2017, 01:32:46 AM
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Hi,
I been trying to contact EV@TucsonEV.com, to order a J1772 To Zero Adapter, sent several emails.. and no luck. Please let me know if this company still in business and if they usually take a while to reply to emails. Any other way to contact them? phone number?
Thanks.
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Zero owners group on facebook has some posts from one of the guys there. LMK if I can help with anything.
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Do you know the name of the guy on Facebook? I don't use Facebook ... but my wife does. Thanks.
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I believe I just ordered one straight from his site at http://tucsonev.com
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I found the website, but I have a couple of questions... maybe I should ask here and get your input, this es the email that I sent:
Hi,
I would like more information regarding this adapter. I have a Zero DSR 2016 and would like to use the J1772 charging stations and maybe if possible the standard extension cord at the same time, if available.
Please confirm if this is the type of adapter that I will need. See picture from your website. Can you use a 12AWG wire on the 2nd pigtail on this adapter ? ($135.00) two C13 plugs, one with 12 AWG wire.
Also in your opinion will it be better to have a 3rd connection? maybe using a C19 and 12 AWG wire? ($160.00) two C13 plugs one with 12 AWG wire and one C19 plug with 12 AWG wire.
Just trying to think ahead on charging options… I bought the motorcycle a month ago… so far I been charging it at home using a standard wall outlet and extension cord.
Thanks.
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My concern now is that if they don't reply to emails... how long is going to take to actually get an adapter from this company.
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If you get this charger: http://evtricity.com.au/product/double-fast-charging-kit/ (http://evtricity.com.au/product/double-fast-charging-kit/)
you will need the 1xC13 2xC19 one
Only 2 chargers left at that price as I look now.. something to think about.
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I have the 2xC13 one and it works fine with my internal charger on one, and one Quiq on the other on our 1771 stations here at work (Level 2). I also sent an email and did not get a response when I first purchased. I just ordered anyway and got the adapter in a couple of weeks and have been happy with it (well built, works fine).
Steve
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Hi,
I been trying to contact EV@TucsonEV.com, to order a J1772 To Zero Adapter, sent several emails.. and no luck. Please let me know if this company still in business and if they usually take a while to reply to emails. Any other way to contact them? phone number?
Thanks.
I imagine your email got lost in the spam... I had a recent inquiry recently answered, so I alerted him to this thread, hopefully you'll hear from him soon.
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I received an email a few minutes ago... thank you all for all your input and help.
If you get this charger: http://evtricity.com.au/product/double-fast-charging-kit/ (http://evtricity.com.au/product/double-fast-charging-kit/)
you will need the 1xC13 2xC19 one
Only 2 chargers left at that price as I look now.. something to think about.
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I tried to access this website but it is blocked, to look at the charger and price.
I was thinking on getting the 2xC13 charger and do the same that STEVEH is doing. Plug the motorcycle to a J1772 charger and the other C13 to an outlet, I found a few charging stations that have an outlet. Will the motorcycle charge faster? or do I need to add something else?
Question: What would be the benefit of a C19 plug... just bought my motorcycle a month ago... still leaning a LOT about it.
FYI... Ruch D (TucsonEV) said he tried to register at the forum but had some problems.
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I just realized that this adapter will not work the way that I wanted to...so now I have a couple of questions.
How can I plug in a J1772 and an extension cord (the one that comes with the motorcycle) at the same time to the motorcycle standard plug in?
I thought I can do it with this adapter... but just realized that I can plug in the J1772 but not the extension cord because both ends, the extension cord and the adapter are the same.
2- Will the motorcycle take two sources of power at the same time ?
Im just trying to understand the benefit of the 2nd plug (C13) if I can not use an extension cord to plug into and charge the motorcycle at the same time that it is charging from the J1772.
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I just realized that this adapter will not work the way that I wanted to...so now I have a couple of questions.
How can I plug in a J1772 and an extension cord (the one that comes with the motorcycle) at the same time to the motorcycle standard plug in?
You cannot - J1772 provides 220V AC power, and a normal outlet provides 110V AC power (in many countries), and this would cause an electrical fault if you joined them together and probably injury or equipment damage.
I thought I can do it with this adapter... but just realized that I can plug in the J1772 but not the extension cord because both ends, the extension cord and the adapter are the same.
If you're using J1772, the station should have its own cord so that you can bring the plug to the bike, so you will not need an extension cord.
An extension cord is not a good idea for this, anyway, since it could create additional problems delivering current to the bike.
2- Will the motorcycle take two sources of power at the same time ?
You need to buy another charger to use more than one source of power. See:
http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Zero_Aftermarket#Chargers (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Zero_Aftermarket#Chargers)
Im just trying to understand the benefit of the 2nd plug (C13) if I can not use an extension cord to plug into and charge the motorcycle at the same time that it is charging from the J1772.
If a cord splits to provide two outputs, the idea is that there is either: (1) another charger that you can use to plug into the Accessory Charging Port above the motor, or (2) a second electric vehicle to charge, or (3) some random electrical load to add like a USB charger for your phone, or some lighting or whatever.
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BrianTRice thank you very much for the info and explanation... now if I buy this adapter (see picture), and decide to buy another charger, will I plug it to the extra C13 or C19 plug? what plug is better / more plugin options C13 or C19?
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I bought one from them last year, everything went smooth. Perhaps they are on vacation. Question, if you are only using the onboard, what do you want a second plug for?
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I bought one from them last year, everything went smooth. Perhaps they are on vacation. Question, if you are only using the onboard, what do you want a second plug for?
I received an email today ... thanks.
Thats what I'm trying to determine... if I need the 2nd plug or not... trying to plan ahead and maybe buy one for future charging options... in your opinion, C13 or C19 plug?
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one more question... if I plug in a J1772 that provides 220V AC power, to the onboard charging will it charge faster? I read on the Zero website that "Please note, the SAE J1772 Charging Adapter will not speed up your motorcycle charge time, which is limited by the motorcycle’s integrated charger"
just to confirm... I will ONLY be able to use charging stations ...not charge faster... Correct?
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I think Hollywood Electrics sells a Jplug to 3 way outlet. This would let you plug your bike into the Jplug using it's standard onboard plug.
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I think Hollywood Electrics sells a Jplug to 3 way outlet. This would let you plug your bike into the Jplug using it's standard onboard plug.
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I checked their website and I don't see it... only one for $400 that is the same that I can buy from TucsonEV for $165.
Do you have a link or picture of it? also a price?
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I think they have these in stock. $300 and let's you charge either 3 bikes or bikes and phones or laptops, anything with a power adapter that does 240v almost all us power adapters and laptops atleast. I sold them several a while back, it's possible they sold out, but give them a call and see. Their support is worth it, plus the j inlet is fully potted so completely weather proof.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170714/28669c1f9132f1081393997ae65e78ef.jpg)
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I bought one from them last year, everything went smooth. Perhaps they are on vacation. Question, if you are only using the onboard, what do you want a second plug for?
Thats what I'm trying to determine... if I need the 2nd plug or not... trying to plan ahead and maybe buy one for future charging options... in your opinion, C13 or C19 plug?
If you eventually buy another charger, only Zero's 1kW Quick Charger will use that C13:
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_5&products_id=194 (http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_5&products_id=194)
C19 is rated for higher current, so will be needed for any other faster charger.
I recommend against EVTricity's equipment unless you know what you are doing around power electronics. Those are computer power supplies rather than EV chargers, and could potentially fail or damage your bike.
Realistically, I would buy a cable with multiple regular outlets, and use it for normal charging, and wait a while to pick a higher-powered charger, and get a cable specifically for that higher-powered charger that also feeds your onboard charger.
one more question... if I plug in a J1772 that provides 220V AC power, to the onboard charging will it charge faster? I read on the Zero website that "Please note, the SAE J1772 Charging Adapter will not speed up your motorcycle charge time, which is limited by the motorcycle’s integrated charger"
just to confirm... I will ONLY be able to use charging stations ...not charge faster... Correct?
Yes. The onboard charger uses 1.3kW at 110V or 220V. One advantage of using 220V is that only half the current is needed, so the cord won't get warm, and it's probably a tiny bit faster.
If you have a 220V AC outlet you can charge from, an adapter for that could be useful (although there are a few different shapes so pick the adapter carefully).
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Realistically, I would buy a cable with multiple regular outlets, and use it for normal charging, and wait a while to pick a higher-powered charger, and get a cable specifically for that higher-powered charger that also feeds your onboard charger.
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to confirm, when you say "multiple regular outlets" you are suggesting C13 plugs, correct?
If i buy this adapter it will have 2xC13 plugs plus the J1772. I will use one C13 to plug the motorcycle for charging and the other C13 to provide: (1) another charger that you can use to plug into the Accessory Charging Port above the motor, or (2) a second electric vehicle to charge, or (3) some random electrical load to add like a USB charger for your phone, or some lighting or whatever.
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If i want to plug a laptop, cellphone, or any small device I should have a C13 plug, correct? a C19 will not work for small electronics?
Im leaning on buying an adapter 2xC13, to have the option of connecting other devices... not sure if I will, it will drain the battery of the motorcycle, but maybe useful in an emergency situation.
I guess if the motorcycle is plugged in to a charging station, and I'm using this type of adapter, the 220V AC from the charging station will charge the motorcycle and I can plug another device to the pigtail on the adapter with the C13 plug and charge it or use it, correct?
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If you eventually buy another charger, only Zero's 1kW Quick Charger will use that C13:
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_5&products_id=194 (http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_5&products_id=194)
So how do I use a Zero 1kw quick charger? this is what I think...
I get the adapter, 2xC13. Plug the J1772 to the charging station, one C13 to the onboard charging on the motorcycle and then plug the Quick charger to the other C13??? and it looks like the quick charger (pictures) has a plug... thats goes where?
also, is the zero quick charge a good buy for $600 or better off buying something else?
The plug that zero sells for $300 is $100 at Tucson EV.
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I just realized that this adapter will not work the way that I wanted to...so now I have a couple of questions.
How can I plug in a J1772 and an extension cord (the one that comes with the motorcycle) at the same time to the motorcycle standard plug in?
You cannot - J1772 provides 220V AC power, and a normal outlet provides 110V AC power (in many countries), and this would cause an electrical fault if you joined them together and probably injury or equipment damage.
Not that many... ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/CTULswz.jpg)
to confirm, when you say "multiple regular outlets" you are suggesting C13 plugs, correct?
If i buy this adapter it will have 2xC13 plugs plus the J1772. I will use one C13 to plug the motorcycle for charging and the other C13 to provide: (1) another charger that you can use to plug into the Accessory Charging Port above the motor, or (2) a second electric vehicle to charge, or (3) some random electrical load to add like a USB charger for your phone, or some lighting or whatever.
For the picture above? No just regular outlets, take a look at the picture. Think of it as a 3-way power strip for charging stations.
If you eventually buy another charger, only Zero's 1kW Quick Charger will use that C13:
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_5&products_id=194 (http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_5&products_id=194)
So how do I use a Zero 1kw quick charger? this is what I think...
I get the adapter, 2xC13. Plug the J1772 to the charging station, one C13 to the onboard charging on the motorcycle and then plug the Quick charger to the other C13??? and it looks like the quick charger (pictures) has a plug... thats goes where?
also, is the zero quick charge a good buy for $600 or better off buying something else?
The plug that zero sells for $300 is $100 at Tucson EV.
You can plug it in a power source and hook it up to the aux port. But to be honest both the quick charger and adapter from Zero are overpriced and have better alternatives.
TL;DR:
Two kettle leads to plug directly in your bike:
(http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7119.0;attach=7948;image)
Turns the charging station in a power strip:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170714/28669c1f9132f1081393997ae65e78ef.jpg)
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If you eventually buy another charger, only Zero's 1kW Quick Charger will use that C13:
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_5&products_id=194 (http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_5&products_id=194)
So how do I use a Zero 1kw quick charger? this is what I think...
I get the adapter, 2xC13. Plug the J1772 to the charging station, one C13 to the onboard charging on the motorcycle and then plug the Quick charger to the other C13??? and it looks like the quick charger (pictures) has a plug... thats goes where?
also, is the zero quick charge a good buy for $600 or better off buying something else?
The plug that zero sells for $300 is $100 at Tucson EV.
That's exactly what I do. I have one quick charger and get 2.5KW at a level 2 using the on-board and the quick charger with the 2xC13 adapter from Tucson on my DSR. I purchased one of the Delta-Q QuiQ chargers when I picked up the bike. Not many watts per $$$ compared to others available now, but it works fine.
Steve
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one more question... if I plug in a J1772 that provides 220V AC power, to the onboard charging will it charge faster? I read on the Zero website that "Please note, the SAE J1772 Charging Adapter will not speed up your motorcycle charge time, which is limited by the motorcycle’s integrated charger"
just to confirm... I will ONLY be able to use charging stations ...not charge faster... Correct?
Correct. I used their connector for when I was traveling so I could use a J1772 if no 120v outlets were avail. Just gives you another option of locations to plug in. As far as adding a faster charger, the diginow 3.3kw module would be your best bet. Yes, costs a little more than the zero charger, but smaller/lighter and puts out way more power to the accessory port. Something to think about.
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(http://i.imgur.com/CTULswz.jpg)
It makes me sad that only that TINY area is light-blue.
Lots of area with the correct voltage, but a stupid frequency.
Other areas with low voltage, but the right frequency.
and the brown areas that are as wrong as possible. lol.
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Ok, I'll bite, apart from some prehistoric clocks why is 60Hz better in your opinion?
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You can plug it in a power source and hook it up to the aux port. But to be honest both the quick charger and adapter from Zero are overpriced and have better alternatives.
Erasmo, what other alternatives do you suggest and do these alternatives use a C13 or C19 plug? trying to determine the best option on the extra plug on the adapter from TucsonEV.
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You can plug it in a power source and hook it up to the aux port. But to be honest both the quick charger and adapter from Zero are overpriced and have better alternatives.
Erasmo, what other alternatives do you suggest and do these alternatives use a C13 or C19 plug? trying to determine the best option on the extra plug on the adapter from TucsonEV.
Depends on your wishes and budget, do you just want to charge with the onboard charger at charging stations or do you want to charge faster? Oh an do you have a power tank?
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Ok, I'll bite, apart from some prehistoric clocks why is 60Hz better in your opinion?
Efficiency. 360 is not divisible by 50. You can't cheat physics, even if it seems to fit the metric system better.
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Ok, I'll bite, apart from some prehistoric clocks why is 60Hz better in your opinion?
Efficiency. 360 is not divisible by 50. You can't cheat physics, even if it seems to fit the metric system better.
What is 360? I don't think it is angular measurement because it does nothing to do with 50 Hz... Power-wise 50 or 60 Hz is the same so not sure why 60 Hz is better than 50 Hz.
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You can plug it in a power source and hook it up to the aux port. But to be honest both the quick charger and adapter from Zero are overpriced and have better alternatives.
Erasmo, what other alternatives do you suggest and do these alternatives use a C13 or C19 plug? trying to determine the best option on the extra plug on the adapter from TucsonEV.
Depends on your wishes and budget, do you just want to charge with the onboard charger at charging stations or do you want to charge faster? Oh an do you have a power tank?
I would like to charge a little faster, but don't want to expend a lot $$$, really no need for it... I just ride for pleasure and can plan rides depending on charge capacity. Eventually would like to charge using charging stations... thats is why I'm looking into getting an adapter (Tucson EV) to use the charging stations... but for now it will charge at the same speed as the home wall outlet.
Maybe looking into buying a quick charger to use at home or on the go, but I don't want to carry a lot of items with me, just items that will fit the "tank" storage of the motorcycle... Im not sure if a Zero or similar quick charge will fit in this area.
Question: Can I use a quick charger like Zeros at a charging station? I don't know how these work... how I supply power to it? Can I use the Tucson EV adapter for this setup?
How fast will it charge if I use a J1772 charging at the station(using only the Tucson adapter) and a quick charger if possible?
What other quick charges would you suggest, price and advantages? trying to buy something not to expensive... but also that I can use for a few years and with the option of upgrading ?
To answer your question... No power tank at this moment... are these worth it... $2000 (zero) or better a quick charger for $600 (zero) ?
The DIGINOW SUPERCHARGER V2 @ $1,755.00 (plus installation) looks like a really cool option and with future upgrades options... but still a lot of $$$ for a pleasure rider.
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Thank you for all the info and suggestions... very helpful.
Im going to buy the Tucson adapter, but not sure yet on the 2nd plug. (or 3rd) :-[
If it is a C13, I can plug in : (1) another charger that you can use to plug into the Accessory Charging Port above the motor, or (2) a second electric vehicle to charge, or (3) some random electrical load to add like a USB charger for your phone, or some lighting or whatever. It will be a 3-way power strip for charging stations. (per other members.. thanks)
Also, If I eventually buy another charger, only Zero's 1kW Quick Charger will use that C13 (per member...thanks)
Question: What other chargers use the C13 plug? Name and price will be great to get an idea and research more info.
The same question if I have a C19 plug, what type of chargers can I use?. I know I can get an adapter with 3 plus (2xC13 and 1xC19), but do I really need 3 plugs?
I decided to copy/paste some of the info from other members... IMO easier that the "quote" option.
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Before you order, Brian has a nice charger for sale that might fit your needs quite well: http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=7006.0 (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=7006.0)
Ok, I'll bite, apart from some prehistoric clocks why is 60Hz better in your opinion?
Efficiency. 360 is not divisible by 50. You can't cheat physics, even if it seems to fit the metric system better.
Why would I want to divide 360 by my net frequency?
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It makes me sad that only that TINY area is light-blue.
Lots of area with the correct voltage, but a stupid frequency.
Other areas with low voltage, but the right frequency.
and the brown areas that are as wrong as possible. lol.
Historically, here in the States, 117VAC was chosen for residential power because that was deemed the highest voltage that isn't usually quite lethal (doesn't that make you all warm and fuzzy?). And I've been told that 60 cycles was chosen because the flickering it causes in arc-lamp sources (which were the most common electrical light sources back then) is just fast enough that it's not visible to adults (apparently kids can see it -- their eyes are just a bit faster to respond). The flickering is actually at TWICE line frequency since the arc intensifies at voltage maxima, both positive and negative.
In reality, the voltage/lethality curve is just that, a curve. Higher voltages are more likely to be lethal, you can pick your point on the curve. It's also true that high voltage delivers power at a lower current than lower voltage, requiring less copper (smaller wires), so there is a good reason to favor higher voltage when you can.
Higher frequencies do have some advantages. Light flicker became a non-issue with incandescent light bulbs, but it reappeared with fluorescent lighting. I remember even at 60 cycles I could see the flickering when I was in high school; close fluorescent lighting could give me a migraine. As far as efficiency goes, the fact that 360 is evenly divisible by 60 is a meaningless numerical coincidence, but it is true that a transformer designed for 50 cycles will have to be somewhat larger than the equivalent transformer designed for 60 cycles...the magnetic coupling that a transformer uses is more effective at higher frequencies. That's why airplanes distribute power at 400 cycles -- it makes for much smaller transformers, saving weight, which is critical on airplanes. But there are other considerations as well. Motors become difficult to manufacture at too high of a frequency, and the larger the motor, the more difficult it gets. Also, power lines actually radiate some power away, like radio frequency antennas, and the higher the frequency, the worse the power loss becomes. Skin effect can become a factor on very large conductors, and is worse at higher frequencies.
As is almost always the case, there is no "good" power and no "bad" power. There are only design compromises that have to be made.
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60Hz transformers might be smaller but they do have more losses due to eddy currents.
I work with 400Hz, very nice but the noise makes you crazy...
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Before you order, Brian has a nice charger for sale that might fit your needs quite well: http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=7006.0 (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=7006.0)
I will still need an adapter from Tucson EV to use a charging station, this item has a J1772 adapter to the NEMA 14-50 plug, not a C13 to plug to the motorcycle, but might be a good option for just the charger... but it looks too big to fit in the "tank" storage area, I don't have additional storage areas and don't want to add more... want keep it looking lean and mean 8) :)... not a delivery or long trip vehicle.
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If it is a C13, I can plug in : (1) another charger that you can use to plug into the Accessory Charging Port above the motor, or (2) a second electric vehicle to charge, or (3) some random electrical load to add like a USB charger for your phone, or some lighting or whatever. It will be a 3-way power strip for charging stations. (per other members.. thanks)
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I've used a 4-way C14/C13 to slow-charge up to 4 bikes from one TucsonEV J1772. 1.3KW each easily fits within the 6.7kw Chargepoints have. I did exceed the C13 specs, so it's not recommended, but if contacts are clean, little heat is generated, it worked.
TucsonEV offers two different wire gauges, IIRC. I chose the larger.
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If it is a C13, I can plug in : (1) another charger that you can use to plug into the Accessory Charging Port above the motor, or (2) a second electric vehicle to charge, or (3) some random electrical load to add like a USB charger for your phone, or some lighting or whatever. It will be a 3-way power strip for charging stations. (per other members.. thanks)
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I've used a 4-way C14/C13 to slow-charge up to 4 bikes from one TucsonEV J1772. 1.3KW each easily fits within the 6.7kw Chargepoints have. I did exceed the C13 specs, so it's not recommended, but if contacts are clean, little heat is generated, it worked.
TucsonEV offers two different wire gauges, IIRC. I chose the larger.
ok.. Tucson EV now only offers the C19 with a larger gauge wire... C13 with 14 AWG and C19 with 12 AWG.
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What other chargers use the C13 plug(besides of Zero's)? Name and price will be great to get an idea and research more info.
The same question if I have a C19 plug, what type of chargers can I use?. I know I can get an adapter with 3 plus (2xC13 and 1xC19), but do I really need 3 plugs?
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Please help me understand how a quick charger is setup.
If I buy the Tucson adapter, 2xC13, I will plug the J1772 to the charging station, then one C13 to the motorcycle, the other C13 to the Zero's quick charger and the plug of the quick charger to the Accessory Charging Port above the motor, correct?
Where does the quick charger gets the extra power, from the J1772 connection (charging station)?
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I've updated the Level 2 adapter cord section to clarify what they can connect to: http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Zero_Aftermarket#Adapter_Cord (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Zero_Aftermarket#Adapter_Cord)
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Please help me understand how a quick charger is setup.
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Quick chargers generally have their own J1772 inlets and feed into Aux Anderson SB75X (iirc) or Controller lugs. The C13 adapters are for people who want to charge with the onboard slowchargers.
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I've updated the Level 2 adapter cord section to clarify what they can connect to: http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Zero_Aftermarket#Adapter_Cord (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Zero_Aftermarket#Adapter_Cord)
Very helpful, thank you for all your work.
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I have a partial answer... but I still don't know and so far can not find a video (youtube) or something showing a Zero motorcycle being charge using a Zero quick charger and a Tucson Adapter.
This is the scenario, I have a Tucson adapter, It has 2xC13 plugs and a J1772 plug.
I go to a charging station, plug one C13 plug to the onboard charger, the J1772 plug to the charging station, then plug my Zero quick charger to the Accessory Charging Port above the motor.
Question: where do I plug the quick charger? to the remaining C13 plug that I have on the adapter? or to a separate outlet?
This is the adapter.
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I have a partial answer... but I still don't know and so far can not find a video (youtube) or something showing a Zero motorcycle being charge using a Zero quick charger and a Tucson Adapter.
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Ah the Zero "quick charger". Sorry, didn't realize that's what you were referring to. I don't think of it as a quick charger at all, since 1000 watts is only 1/10 of the 10,000 watts my 2014 Zero SR can take, and the newer S platform bikes can take even more.
Anyone have a ZQC can answer what it's inlet looks like? Does it take C13/C14?
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=194 (http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=194)
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The Zero Quick Charger is a (custom) Delta-Q QuiQ charger with a C14 inlet: https://delta-q.com/product/quiq-1000-industrial-battery-charger/ (https://delta-q.com/product/quiq-1000-industrial-battery-charger/)
C13 is the plug for the C14 inlet.
C19 is the plug for the C20 inlet.
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I have a partial answer... but I still don't know and so far can not find a video (youtube) or something showing a Zero motorcycle being charge using a Zero quick charger and a Tucson Adapter.
This is the scenario, I have a Tucson adapter, It has 2xC13 plugs and a J1772 plug.
I go to a charging station, plug one C13 plug to the onboard charger, the J1772 plug to the charging station, then plug my Zero quick charger to the Accessory Charging Port above the motor.
Question: where do I plug the quick charger? to the remaining C13 plug that I have on the adapter? or to a separate outlet?
This is the adapter.
Yes, that's it, one C13 to the bike, the other one to the QuiQ. Here is a not so good picture of my bike with my QuiQ in the Givi top box.
Steve
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I have a partial answer... but I still don't know and so far can not find a video (youtube) or something showing a Zero motorcycle being charge using a Zero quick charger and a Tucson Adapter.
This is the scenario, I have a Tucson adapter, It has 2xC13 plugs and a J1772 plug.
I go to a charging station, plug one C13 plug to the onboard charger, the J1772 plug to the charging station, then plug my Zero quick charger to the Accessory Charging Port above the motor.
Question: where do I plug the quick charger? to the remaining C13 plug that I have on the adapter? or to a separate outlet?
This is the adapter.
Yes, that's it, one C13 to the bike, the other one to the QuiQ. Here is a not so good picture of my bike with my QuiQ in the Givi top box.
Steve
YES!!!! thank you all finally got my answer... I apologize for not asking it the right way... but thanks, a lot of good info.
I think for my needs... the most I ride is maybe 100 miles if that... so for now no need for a real "quick charger".
I think I'm going to buy the 2xC13 (for a Zero charger) and 1xC19 (for other chargers).
Can I use a plug at the end of the C19 to change it to a C13, in case I want to plug something that requires this type of plug? Like the household plug that goes from 3 prong to 2 prong.
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> YES!!!! thank you all finally got my answer...
Awesome
> I apologize for not asking it the right way... but thanks, a lot of good info.
No worries. With enough patience, we get to a point of understanding each other.
> I think for my needs... the most I ride is maybe 100 miles if that... so for now no need for a real "quick charger".
> I think I'm going to buy the 2xC13 (for a Zero charger) and 1xC19 (for other chargers).
> Can I use a plug at the end of the C19 to change it to a C13, ...
Yes, I have adapters in both directions.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00P2Q4AOY/ (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00P2Q4AOY/)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CFPWRKO/ (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CFPWRKO/)
Beware however of running too many amps through C13/C14 connections. They are only rated for 13-15 amps if memory serves, but of course at 220-240vac, that's twice as much power as it is 110vac.
> in case I want to plug something that requires this type of plug? Like the household plug that goes from 3 prong to 2 prong.
Oh, that makes me very nervous. BEWARE! If you try to pull 2300 watts out of a 110v outlet like that, you are going to melt stuff and/or start fires and/or burn down a house and/or trip a breaker.
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Yep. I have two 20 amp circuits in my garage so I can run the internal charger and the QuiQ on separate lines. The J1771 does not seem to have a problem with the Tucson adapter, everything stays cool at 2400 watts.
Steve
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Beware however of running too many amps through C13/C14 connections. They are only rated for 13-15 amps if memory serves, but of course at 220-240vac, that's twice as much power as it is 110vac.
> in case I want to plug something that requires this type of plug? Like the household plug that goes from 3 prong to 2 prong.
Oh, that makes me very nervous. BEWARE! If you try to pull 2300 watts out of a 110v outlet like that, you are going to melt stuff and/or start fires and/or burn down a house and/or trip a breaker.
Oh no... the best scenario will be if I go to a charging station, and I have a Zero QuiQ ( I don't have one at this moment) I will plug it to the Tucson adapter (C13), but if for some reason I want to plug my laptop while the motorcycle is charging... i will use the C19 plug.. with and adapter to C13 on it. I was using the household plug in the picture as a way to make sure you understood what I was talking about.
At home I only have a regular wall outlet (15 amps) in the garage... so I can only use the onboard charger. I will have to see if other outlets in the garage are on a different breaker... more than likely no.
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The Zero Quick Charger is a (custom) Delta-Q QuiQ charger with a C14 inlet: https://delta-q.com/product/quiq-1000-industrial-battery-charger/ (https://delta-q.com/product/quiq-1000-industrial-battery-charger/)
C13 is the plug for the C14 inlet.
C19 is the plug for the C20 inlet.
If I want to buy this charger, I will have to buy it from Zero, correct? Like you point out, it is (custom) and if I buy it directly from https://delta-q.com/product/quiq-1000-industrial-battery-charger/ it will not work.
Any other suggestions on where to buy it new... or just keep looking for "for sale items" on the forum?
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I placed the order with Tucson EV a few minutes ago!!!! thank you for all your help... will let you know how charging goes and if any issues.
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The Zero Quick Charger is a (custom) Delta-Q QuiQ charger with a C14 inlet: https://delta-q.com/product/quiq-1000-industrial-battery-charger/ (https://delta-q.com/product/quiq-1000-industrial-battery-charger/)
C13 is the plug for the C14 inlet.
C19 is the plug for the C20 inlet.
If I want to buy this charger, I will have to buy it from Zero, correct? Like you point out, it is (custom) and if I buy it directly from https://delta-q.com/product/quiq-1000-industrial-battery-charger/ it will not work.
Any other suggestions on where to buy it new... or just keep looking for "for sale items" on the forum?
Cool on the order, I hope they get it shipped quickly (Tucson). You should be able to get the correctly programmed QuiQ from your Zero dealer. I'll bet someone on the board knows how to program the Zero profile into one of the standard QuiQ chargers. I picked mine up from the dealer when I ordered the bike last year. At the time there was a 30% kickback on taxes, so the net was $400.00. That's gone now.
Steve
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Update. They shipped my adapter on Tuesday... should have it Friday. Will use it over the weekend... will update if any problems or questions.
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> If I want to buy this charger, I will have to buy it from Zero, correct?
You can probably find one used. People who are switching to rapid chargers would probably have excess ones.
> Like you point out, it is (custom) and if I buy it directly from https://delta-q.com/product/quiq-1000-industrial-battery-charger/ it will not work.
The factory one is probably programmed for its default of 96 volts which would only charge you a portion of the way. Do they even sell it direct? You probably have to find a dealer regardless but the zero version would come pre programmed and ready to go.
I imagine people who have excess ones may not bother posting. My own Elcon 2500 sat on a shelf unused for some time. You might want to make a Wanted post. Where are you located? If somebody doesn't have to ship it to you it might make it more attractive to get rid of.
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OK, I will add a Wanted post. I'm in Overland Park, KS. Thanks.
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Received the adapter today... will use it tomorrow.
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The adapter looks great... good quality. I test it works OK.