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Moderator, please kill this stupid, stupid thread. It hasn't got a single thing to do with electric motorcycles! If necessary, please terminate participants as necessary to keep this thread dead.

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The arc reactor lives! And here I thought Tony Stark was a fictional character. Silly, naive me.

Who said anything about Ironman lol

You don’t buy this plasma tech idea then Doug S ?


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Quote from: Testpilot1 on October 14, 2017, 11:13:44 PM

Quote from: Richard230 on October 13, 2017, 07:46:53 PM

I am starting to think that this thread is an example of "perpetual motion".   

I like it richard.......so to keep the motion going, I beg to fifer Justin

https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/1.B36120

It's just as common knowledge also that Boeing/ US government maybe testing the em drive on the X-37B.

If you consider that the transfer of information was back in 2007 and the 10 year anniversary/deadline is nearly up on that.......... then just last month Roger Shawyers patent for the device in the UK was published, I believe that's highly unlikely.



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You can quote as many Eagleworks papers as you like, but that paper is the one that casts doubts on if EM-Drive actually works the way Shawer thanks it does.
During the test summaries they quite clearly point out that the thrust was likely due to CG loading due to thermal effects.

Important quotes
Forward test
"This displacement was also in the same direction as that due to the CG shift from thermal effects."

Reverse Test
"As the test article assembly was rotated by 180 deg, this displacement was also in the same direction as that due to the CG shift from thermal effects."

Null Test (device rotated to make any thrust detection impossible due to how the balance works)
"the CG shift from thermal expansion caused a downward drift in the optical displacement sensor."

In all cases the tests suggest that the thrust signal is caused by a shift in the CG of the device due to thermal expansion.
So no definite signal was detected.

In their conclusions they mention the thermal effects, and how to go about making sure any CG shift does not influence the balance.

As for the X-35B test Yeah I remember that excitement, however it turned out to be an improved standard Ion drive. I have a good friend in the field (actually he's a cubesat plasma thruster specialist) and he burst my bubble there.


I'm not saying the EM-Drive does'nt work, but I am pointing out that if it does work has not yet been confirmed, it's from the data gained by the experiments run so far there are a lot of doubts about its viability.

Ok , to keep this free energy idea propetuating, any thoughts on this plasma technology anyone ?
Just throwing it out there for discussion

Keshe Foundation Off-grid micro portable power generator
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Stumbled across this on my travels and interested to hear your thoughts on this Plasma technology.

Not a techy, but if this was legit, would it be powerful enough to charge a Zero offgrid ?

They also do a adapter that connects to your residential consumer unit, that would give you massive savings on your electrical consumption for charging allegedly ?

https://store.keshefoundation.org/store/product/magravs_power_generator/


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I am starting to think that this thread is an example of "perpetual motion".   

I like it richard.......so to keep the motion going, I beg to fifer Justin

https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/1.B36120

It's just as common knowledge also that Boeing/ US government maybe testing the em drive on the X-37B.

If you consider that the transfer of information was back in 2007 and the 10 year anniversary/deadline is nearly up on that.......... then just last month Roger Shawyers patent for the device in the UK was published, I believe that's highly unlikely.



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Yes, but Tesla hypothesised the universal force (ZPE?) was kinetic, and he did not say it was actually possible to extract energy from it, in fact he was quite agnostic on that front, which suggested he had no evidence on the matter. Not really a ringing endorsement.

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NASA has conducted long-awaited experiments to prove that the fabled space drive, capable of generating its own thrust and breaking a fundamental law of physics, works. If the find survives fresh scrutiny, space ship construction will be revolutionized.

The drive’s creator, British scientist Roger Shawyer, has been facing criticism since his 2006 claims, based on the premise that thrust can be created without huge thrusters, instead using electricity to direct microwaves inside a special container.

Shawyer’s company, SPR Ltd., writes that it has “demonstrated a remarkable new space propulsion technology. [It] has successfully tested both an experimental thruster and a demonstrator engine which use patented microwave technology to convert electrical energy directly into thrust. No propellant is used in the conversion process. Thrust is produced by the amplification of the radiation pressure of an electromagnetic wave propagated through a resonant waveguide assembly.”

In short, if the results hold up, humanity can say goodbye to huge energy consumption costs associated with space travel, and say hello to deep-space missions and distant world exploration at a fraction of the cost and at 100 times the speed.

But since its inception, the revolutionary drive had appeared to be impossible because it breaks the laws of the conservation of momentum. Put simply, acceleration in any rocket engine is achieved by a large amount of fuel bursting out of the thrusters and pushing the vessel forward. The drive promises to change this forever by creating its own momentum.

An independent, peer-reviewed Chinese team was the first to try and replicated the results, and confirmed that their own EmDrive worked in papers published on three occasions between 2008 and 2012. But the skepticism didn’t end there. So, to test the technology on different soil, NASA was brought in.

This was needed to reassure the scientific community that past results in which the apparent violations of the laws of physics were side effect of interference from the actual device, which messed with the measuring equipment.

Five of the space agency’s researchers set about to replicate the so-called EmDrive with another one they called the Cannae Drive, after they were convinced to put it to the test by its creator, American scientist Guido Fetta. The results were presented on July 30 at the 50th Joint Propulsion Conference.

With its paper, entitled ‘Anomalous Thrust Production from an RF [radio frequency] Test Device Measured on a Low-Thrust Torsion Pendulum’, the scientists describe the work carried out over six days, as they set up the equipment, and the two days spent achieving results.

To do this, they created a ‘null drive’ – a replica of the real drive, but built in a way that would make it unusable. Another device was then built to simulate the load on the engine.

Although the new results produced much less micronewtons (30-50) than the Chinese tests, NASA finally had its confirmation.

"Test results indicate that the RF resonant cavity thruster design, which is unique as an electric propulsion device, is producing a force that is not attributable to any classical electromagnetic phenomenon and therefore is potentially demonstrating an interaction with the quantum vacuum virtual plasma," the space agency states in the paper.

The one thing the paper does not wish to do is explain how the drive works, instead offering quantifiable results and the procedures used to achieve them.

However, given that we now have several tests all confirming that thrust can be generated out of thin air, a radically different future awaits humanity. In it, the immense costs of satellites, space ships and stations could be reduced to a mere fraction of what was previously thought. This should open the world up to exciting deep-space missions and enable us to survive a virtual lifetime in space.

Even more amazing, new propulsion technology based on the EmDrive should take space travel to amazing speeds, enabling humanity to reach distant worlds much more quickly.

http://emdrive.com/

https://www.ipo.gov.uk/p-find-publication-getPDF.pdf?PatentNo=GB2493361&DocType=B&JournalNumber=6694


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Its alright, I'm personally having a ball.

The worrying thing about people wanting stuff like ZPE generation is they haven't thought through the consequences of what it means if we do get it, and its open source and easily available.

Usable ZPE generators go hand in hand with concepts such as the EM-Drive which operates on similar principles, and when you couple generators which require no fuel with drives that require no onboard propellent. So let's say that both the ZPE generator and EM-Drive are practical, then, if you are sufficiently evil, then what you get a new class of weapon that makes nuclear bombs look literally like firecrackers.

While I could explain how increadably bad this weapon is.
Please allow scifi author's Charles Pelligrino and George Zebrowski to put it better than I ever could:

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In the forests below, lakes caught the first rays of the rising Sun and threw them back into space. Abandoning the two-dimensional sprawl of twentieth-century cities, Sri Lanka Tower, and others like it, had been erected in the world's rain forests and farmlands, leaving the countryside virtually uninhabited. Even in Africa, where more than a hundred city arcologies had risen, nature was beginning to renew itself. It was a good day to be alive, she told herself, taking in the peace of the garden. Then, looking east, she saw it coming -- at least her eyes began to register it -- but her optic nerves did not last long enough to transmit what the eyes had seen.

It was quite small for what it could do -- small enough to fit into an average-sized living room -- but it was moving at 92 percent of light speed when it touched Earth's atmosphere. A spear point of light appeared, so intense that the air below snapped away from it, creating a low-density tunnel through which the object descended. The walls of the tunnel were a plasma boundary layer, six and a half kilometers wide and more than 160 deep -- the flaming spear that Virginia's eyes began to register -- with every square foot of its surface radiating a trillion watts, and still its destructive potential was but fractionally spent.

Thirty-three kilometers above the Indian Ocean, the point began to encounter too much air. It tunneled down only eight kilometers more, then stalled and detonated, less than two-thousandths of a second after crossing the orbits of Earth's nearest artificial satellites.

Virginia was more than three hundred kilometers away when the light burst toward her. Every nerve ending in her body began to record a strange, prickling sensation -- the sheer pressure of photons trying to push her backward. No shadows were cast anywhere in the tower, so bright was the glare. It pierced walls, ceramic beams, notepads, and people -- four hundred thousand people. The maglev terminal connecting Sri Lanka Tower to London and Sydney, the waste treatment centers that sustained the lakes and farms, all the shops, theaters, and apartments liquefied instantly. The structure began to slip and crash like a giant waterfall, but gravity could not yank it down fast enough. The Tower became vapor before it could fall half a meter. At the vanished city's feet, the trees of the forest were no longer able to cast shadows; they had themselves become long shadows of carbonized dust on the ground.

In Kandy and Columbo, where sidewalks steamed, the relativistic onslaught was unfinished. The electromagnetic pulse alone killed every living thing as far away as Bombay and the Maldives. All of India south of the Godavari River became an instant microwave oven. Nearer the epicenter, Demon Rock glowed with a fierce red heat, then fractured down its center, as if to herald the second coming of the tyrant it memorialized. The air blast followed, surging out of the Indian Ocean -- faster than sound -- flattening whatever still stood. As it slashed north through Jaffna and Madurai, the wave front was met and overpowered by shocks rushing out from strikes in central and southern India.

Its called a relativistic weapon, and if you don't have to worry about sustained power generation or on board propellant, they are actually quite easy to make (the reason we can't make them is because without the two aforementioned requirements, they are in fact nearly impossible to make)
Basically its a mass driver on a LOT of steroids, all you need to do is keep accelerating a chunk of iron long enough, something that a ZPE generator would make fairly easy...

So personally I kinda hope that ZPE generators are a bust, if simply because terrorists sure could have a lot more firepower with one...

(Tl:dr - Friends don't let friends have unlimited power generation and/or reactionless drives)

Interesting to read your ideas Justin, I'm not so desperate to defend my position, we'll see where the technology takes us , and I'm sure that will speak for itself............

I had naturally given the dark side of this technology some thought, being an ex member of the forces, but feel if Zero Point became available we'd have the technology to leave Mother Earth and let them burn in a world that is slowly imploding............

Also, just supposing it was released via a patent, rather than open source, I believe the money your on about from commercialisation would be a drop in the ocean, compared to the petro dollar/ alternative fuel potential.
Any device out there would just get copied,I believe there wouldn't be a monopoly as your suggesting..........

As for more reputable work ...............if you read carefully I quoted Tesla who Bearden believed in, my original post just said Bearden described it best, meaning in layman terms.


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