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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: Killroy on December 23, 2016, 01:02:33 PM
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I think that the Zero is nice that it comes with a 110 V cable, but what about the EV Plug/ J1772 adapters? The J1772 should come standard.
Here are the prices that I see on adapters and I think they are too much even though they are professionally assembled:
1. Zero -$300
2. Hollywood Electric- $400
3. Tucson EV - $165 - needs to be terminated, but comes with "pilot signal box"
Now these parts are basically copper, plastic and labor. They should be able to be done for less that $90 with some volume. I know some of these people are 'friends', but for the good of Zero and electric motorcycles, these adapters should be standard or driven to low cost.
Can some one tell me about the J1772 'pilot signal'. Don't we need a pilot signal on most chargers? It would be tough to buy a $400 adapter and not have it work because it has no 'pilot signal'.
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The pilot signal consists of 2(iirc) resistors and diode in the adapter. It just signals that something is plugged in and is ready to receive power.
You should be able to source on cheaper yes, I have more or less the European variant (https://www.laadkabelfabriek.nl/product/verloop-type-2-naar-schuko-contrastekker/) of it and it's €140. Which is reasonable because the type 2 plug alone goes for about €80 and the Schuko side is also weather proof etc.
I can ask my fabricator if he wants to make a batch of adapters but shipping to the US isn't cheap so it's probably only worth while if you ship multiple at once.
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When you say "Tucan" were you referring to http://www.tucsonev.com/ (http://www.tucsonev.com/) ?
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When you say "Tucan" were you referring to http://www.tucsonev.com/ (http://www.tucsonev.com/) ?
Thanks, fixed it.
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No problem. I just wanted to confirm you were talking about something I'd already looked in to and not something I'd missed. ;)
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The pilot signal consists of 2(iirc) resistors and diode in the adapter. It just signals that something is plugged in and is ready to receive power.
You should be able to source on cheaper yes, I have more or less the European variant (https://www.laadkabelfabriek.nl/product/verloop-type-2-naar-schuko-contrastekker/) of it and it's €140. Which is reasonable because the type 2 plug alone goes for about €80 and the Schuko side is also weather proof etc.
I can ask my fabricator if he wants to make a batch of adapters but shipping to the US isn't cheap so it's probably only worth while if you ship multiple at once.
Both the Zero and the Hollywood electric adapters do not have pilot signals to my knowledge, so some charge stations must just ignore these signals, and others must require it according to the SAE J1772 standard. That's fine until our $400 adapter does not work.
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The 2 stage pilot signal is something the 99% of stations ignore. Most just look for the 1 kOhm resistor on the pilot line to signal proximity or that its plugged in. ChargePoint is over 50% of the market and they don't use them, Clipper Creek, Sema Connect and Blink make up another 40% and they don't either. of the last 10% about 9 out of 10 don't use it either. I have had it not work at a PEP station in las vegas once, and had an issue at an older GE watt station, but that is it.
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The 2 stage pilot signal is something the 99% of stations ignore. Most just look for the 1 kOhm resistor on the pilot line to signal proximity or that its plugged in. ChargePoint is over 50% of the market and they don't use them, Clipper Creek, Sema Connect and Blink make up another 40% and they don't either. of the last 10% about 9 out of 10 don't use it either. I have had it not work at a PEP station in las vegas once, and had an issue at an older GE watt station, but that is it.
That is good to know.
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I really wanted a three way (or more) cable - travelling with 2 Zeros and maybe an electric hibachi grill. So I didn;t lok too deeply at the Zero J1772 adaptor.
So I emailed Tuscon for information... about the pilot switch.
This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
Delivery to the following recipients was aborted after 12.7 hour(s):
* ev@tusconev.com
Reason: There was an error while attempting to deliver your message with [Subject: "J1772 To Zero Adapter"] to ev@tusconev.com. It has been in queue too long, and will not attempt delivery again.
I emailed Hollywood. (actually was about a 3 email volley back and forth... with additional information each time)
Hi James,
We do make custom plugs, it doesn't have to be just that configuration. The typical configuration I've suggested does appear to match your needs however if you would prefer something slightly different I'm happy to see what needs to be done to accommodate your needs.
Best regards,
Harlan Flagg
Hollywood Electrics
store 323.654.8271
cell 818.282.6767
harlan@hollywoodelectrics.com
We also pay for the service, not just the part. Hollywood sets the service bar very high.
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Yo, dawg, you misspelled the domain name.
(https://cdn.cloudpix.co/images/ali-g/alig-respect-e932d05deb2d4695cca67c2ca500cff0-large-612075.jpg)
...is what that technobabble is saying.
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Yo, dawg, you misspelled the domain name.
(https://cdn.cloudpix.co/images/ali-g/alig-respect-e932d05deb2d4695cca67c2ca500cff0-large-612075.jpg)
...is what that technobabble is saying.
So that's twice in this thread "Tucsonev" was unspellable.
(I'm not really shifting blame - you have no idea how many times I type it "tiscon". )
I still think Harlan has the best customer service, and we willingly pay for it.
I also couldn't buy from "Tucsonev" as I cancelled my PayPal account because of Thiel's irresponsible political funding.
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I also couldn't buy from "Tucsonev" as I cancelled my PayPal account because of Thiel's irresponsible political funding.
I read about that, and also how NOT using PayPal because of it is pointless. He may have been one of the founders of the company, but he is no longer involved with it. Basically, he doesn't give a rat's patootie whether you use PayPal or not, you're only punishing the CURRENT executives.
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My wife picked up a J1772 adapter from "TucsonEV" for a Christmas present. I have not had a chance to test it, and probably won't until the snow melts. I ordered a dual cord version so I can use my on-board and my external (1x) at the same time (assuming it can handle the current, from what I read it looks like it can).
Looks well made, I have no idea if it produces the pilot signal or not.
Steve
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My wife picked up a J1772 adapter from "TucsonEV" for a Christmas present. I have not had a chance to test it, and probably won't until the snow melts. I ordered a dual cord version so I can use my on-board and my external (1x) at the same time (assuming it can handle the current, from what I read it looks like it can).
Looks well made, I have no idea if it produces the pilot signal or not.
Steve
Hey Steve, I have same plug but in single, it's worked at all the NH,VT and Maine stations I've stopped at. TUCSONEV has great customer service too.
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I also couldn't buy from "Tucsonev" as I cancelled my PayPal account because of Thiel's irresponsible political funding.
I read about that, and also how NOT using PayPal because of it is pointless. He may have been one of the founders of the company, but he is no longer involved with it. Basically, he doesn't give a rat's patootie whether you use PayPal or not, you're only punishing the CURRENT executives.
I also couldn't buy from "Tucsonev" as I cancelled my PayPal account because of Thiel's irresponsible political funding.
I read about that, and also how NOT using PayPal because of it is pointless. He may have been one of the founders of the company, but he is no longer involved with it. Basically, he doesn't give a rat's patootie whether you use PayPal or not, you're only punishing the CURRENT executives.
I didn't catch wind of an organized boycott. I saw the donation and closed my account.
I look at money like most should look at the persistent responsibility of waste, downstream damage is downstream damage.
I'll have to give TucsonEv another chance, I'll be accountable for my own typing mistakes.
PayPal, however, "I'm out".
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I'll have to give TucsonEv another chance, I'll be accountable for my own typing mistakes.
To be fair I have struggled to add anything meaningful to this discussion. Meme posting - as I have done in this thread - is not typically helpful.
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My wife picked up a J1772 adapter from "TucsonEV" for a Christmas present. I have not had a chance to test it, and probably won't until the snow melts. I ordered a dual cord version so I can use my on-board and my external (1x) at the same time (assuming it can handle the current, from what I read it looks like it can).
Looks well made, I have no idea if it produces the pilot signal or not.
Steve
Hey Steve, I have same plug but in single, it's worked at all the NH,VT and Maine stations I've stopped at. TUCSONEV has great customer service too.
Cool. I need to figure out how to get signed up to the charging networks in the spring. We have a free level 2 station at my office in Wilmington MA. For $145.00 it seemed like a fair deal compared to the other options.
Steve
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i have an electrician coming tomorrow to see if my unit can support the wiring for a level 2 charger down to my garage. It not, I need to move the current 120V outlet in the garage to it's own circuit breaker to stop it from tripping every time the wife turns on the hair dryer >:(
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i have an electrician coming tomorrow to see if my unit can support the wiring for a level 2 charger down to my garage. It not, I need to move the current 120V outlet in the garage to it's own circuit breaker to stop it from tripping every time the wife turns on the hair dryer >:(
That is very strange the bathroom GFI would be on the same breaker as the outlet in the garage. Have you tried different outlets to charge the Zero so this doesn't happen?
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i have an electrician coming tomorrow to see if my unit can support the wiring for a level 2 charger down to my garage. It not, I need to move the current 120V outlet in the garage to it's own circuit breaker to stop it from tripping every time the wife turns on the hair dryer >:(
That is very strange the bathroom GFI would be on the same breaker as the outlet in the garage. Have you tried different outlets to charge the Zero so this doesn't happen?
haha,obviously you never lived in areas where there are no codes. My garage, which was an addition, is on same circuit as my bedroom. Around here, contractors go to the nudie bars on lunch breaks so you never know what you're going to get.
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i have an electrician coming tomorrow to see if my unit can support the wiring for a level 2 charger down to my garage. It not, I need to move the current 120V outlet in the garage to it's own circuit breaker to stop it from tripping every time the wife turns on the hair dryer >:(
Did you try a non-grounded "cheater plug" on your charge cord. The Zero charger has a tendency to trip breakers and GFCI.
I think a firmware update fixed mine at home, but Charge Point L1 charging is still a problem because Charge Point is very sensitive.
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My house in Vegas ( built in 1985 ) has the GFI in bathrooms and garage on same breaker.
Was an issue early on with 3 daughters and wife getting ready in the morning. Worked
around it. Haven't had any issues with FX plugged in to it, but, it is slower charge. XU
was closer to the S models but, no issue with it either.
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The condo was built in 1993 and we are on the third floor of the building. The garage is attached behind the first floor condo. Not sure how they wired the garage to my circuit panel in my 3rd floor unit, but the second bathroom is on the same circuit as the two garage outlets.
The electrician is at the unit now doing his thing to see exactly what is what with the wiring. He was able to pull the building plans to the building online which should help with seeing how the wiring was "suppose" to run. My hope is he can find a way to do a new wire run from unit to the garage for a 50-amp circuit. Would love to be able to charge the EV car and bike at level 2 the same time.
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I have the single-plug Tucson EV adapter. It works just fine. I think I put a quick review of it up in the accessories section of this forum.
Now that I have a charge tank, I should probably put it up for sale.
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Let me know if you will be selling it.
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PM me if you are interested in a value priced J1772 adapter.
It may take me some time to get the parts, but making these things is not hard for me. I use to build, wire and race FSAE cars in College.
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If Semper doesn't sell his, I have a TusconEV J1772 to Zero single for sale for $75. Used only a couple of times.
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Looks like the supercharger V2 is about to start shipping. There are tons of components to make this work right and cables that have been made. For those looking to do a DIY charger because you couldn't get anything else besides the charge tank, well now there is a complete package plug and play option! Even better than supercharger V1!
https://youtu.be/uAdNeARedvY
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It's good that the Diginow charger comes with all those cables.
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At Thunderstruck, we sell the J1772 adapter for $90. You would need to cut a heavy-duty power cord and wire it to the socket, and get the correct resistor and diode for the pilot signal, all of which we can supply. PM me for help making this happen at an affordable price.
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FYI, I got the 2 cord TusconEV adapter for Christmas and just tried it with both cords for the first time today. It worked great. Internal charger + 1x QuiQ.
Steve
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PM me if you are interested in a value priced J1772 adapter.
I'll also have a used J1772 adapter and a used 2500 watt elcon for sale soon. As well as the cables to hook up onboard charger and Elcon simultaneously from the J-plug. PM me if interested.
And, for the truly frugal, I have a used Smart-car J-inlet that one could wire up.
I could meet up between San Francisco and Watsonville.
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PM me if you are interested in a value priced J1772 adapter.
I'll also have a used J1772 adapter and a used 2500 watt elcon for sale soon. As well as the cables to hook up onboard charger and Elcon simultaneously from the J-plug. PM me if interested.
And, for the truly frugal, I have a used Smart-car J-inlet that one could wire up.
I could meet up between San Francisco and Watsonville.
togo, does your Elcon have a C20 plug on it?
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PM me if you are interested in a value priced J1772 adapter.
I'll also have a used J1772 adapter and a used 2500 watt elcon for sale soon. As well as the cables to hook up onboard charger and Elcon simultaneously from the J-plug. PM me if interested.
And, for the truly frugal, I have a used Smart-car J-inlet that one could wire up.
I could meet up between San Francisco and Watsonville.
togo, does your Elcon have a C20 plug on it?
Yeah, and an adapter to C14 and back. And a J-plug to C13. Also a C19/C20 splitter, and a stack of adapters for "welding", RV 30 amp, and RV 50 amp outlets. I've charged with J-plug to C13 to splitter to (1) onboard and (2) C20 to elcon, and I've also charged from the twist-lock at Computer History Museum to both chargers.