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Re: Drive belt questions
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2018, 12:42:52 PM »

Hi all,

Thanks for your detailed information!

I finally got it repaired by the dealer. And guess what? The bike make less noise now! There was indeed before a kind of noise sounding like something sliding intermittently on a surface or so. But being there from day 1 I just thought it was normal => Maybe the belt was originally misaligned and that could have led to the early snapping of it?

I am going to check with them if they even test drove the bike before selling it to me => Sounds like that they would have notice this small misalignment!

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Re: Drive belt questions
« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2018, 03:02:25 PM »

I just now discovered that I can buy Zero parts on line. I just ordered the last Zero drive belt they have here.

I discovered my 2017  DS and SR use the exact same belt.

1 x ZM30-08086 - Zero MC's Drive Belt - ZM30-08086 @ $125.00
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SubTotal: $125.00
Shipping: $0.00 : FREE Domestic USA Ground Shipping ($8.95 value)


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Re: Drive belt questions
« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2018, 07:45:40 PM »

Thanks Don. That is a useful resource.   :)
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Re: Drive belt questions
« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2018, 02:13:04 PM »

Hi all,

Slightly off topic, but still a belt question!

I am driving a Zero S 2017. 4400km. My belt snapped although I was (and I am only) driving on standard road, no bumps whatsoever.

Did this happen to anybody? I find it very early
Just happened to me today. Took it to the dealer amd on the way home the belt snapped. Was only going about 20 mph, and thankfully only 3 blocks from home. Bought the bike brand new and it only has 8200 miles on it. Dealer even marked the belt and tension as good before I left. They did however just replace my tires. So, I wonder if maybe they didn't align it properly. 😒
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Re: Drive belt questions
« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2018, 08:13:57 PM »

Hi all,

Slightly off topic, but still a belt question!

I am driving a Zero S 2017. 4400km. My belt snapped although I was (and I am only) driving on standard road, no bumps whatsoever.

Did this happen to anybody? I find it very early
Just happened to me today. Took it to the dealer amd on the way home the belt snapped. Was only going about 20 mph, and thankfully only 3 blocks from home. Bought the bike brand new and it only has 8200 miles on it. Dealer even marked the belt and tension as good before I left. They did however just replace my tires. So, I wonder if maybe they didn't align it properly. 😒

It has been my experience that the people assigned to replace tires at motorcycle dealerships are not always the sharpest tacks in the shop and are usually in a hurry to get the job finished, too. That person certainly could have made a mistake, especially if he wasn't all that familiar with belt drive setup and adjustment.
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Re: Drive belt questions
« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2018, 11:51:37 PM »

Just happened to me today. Took it to the dealer and on the way home the belt snapped. Was only going about 20 mph, and thankfully only 3 blocks from home. Bought the bike brand new and it only has 8200 miles on it. Dealer even marked the belt and tension as good before I left. They did however just replace my tires. So, I wonder if maybe they didn't align it properly.
My guess is they screwed up.  Don't expect the dealers to always know what they are doing on the countless various models they service.

Shadow in this forum taught me how to align the drive  belt.  IIRC, while the rear tire axle nut is still loose, have the belt 's RIGHT  edge line up with the RIGHT  edge of the wheel sprocket. This will change as the axle bolt is tightened to spec. After the axle nut is tightened, on the LEFT side of the belt, there should just be enough room for a credit card edge to fit in there between the left lifted area of the sprocket and the belt.

If I didn't notice this credit card spacing, I would not ride the bike.

Do I have that right Shadow (or anybody)?


-Don-  Reno, NV
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Re: Drive belt questions
« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2018, 01:57:06 AM »

Just happened to me today. Took it to the dealer and on the way home the belt snapped. Was only going about 20 mph, and thankfully only 3 blocks from home. Bought the bike brand new and it only has 8200 miles on it. Dealer even marked the belt and tension as good before I left. They did however just replace my tires. So, I wonder if maybe they didn't align it properly.
My guess is they screwed up.  Don't expect the dealers to always know what they are doing on the countless various models they service.

Shadow in this forum taught me how to align the drive  belt.  IIRC, while the rear tire axle nut is still loose, have the belt 's RIGHT  edge line up with the RIGHT  edge of the wheel sprocket. This will change as the axle bolt is tightened to spec. After the axle nut is tightened, on the LEFT side of the belt, there should just be enough room for a credit card edge to fit in there between the left lifted area of the sprocket and the belt.

If I didn't notice this credit card spacing, I would not ride the bike.

Do I have that right Shadow (or anybody)?


-Don-  Reno, NV


The Belt Adjustment page on the wiki should already reflect that. Maybe more vaguely than you’ve put it.

But I’ll check.
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Re: Drive belt questions
« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2018, 06:58:34 AM »

Thanks Don. That is a useful resource.   :)
I received the new belt today. This belt will live in my 2017 DS ZF 6.5, on the side that is not hogged up by battery, along with other repair stuff. This is the bike I take on RV trips and can be far from any Zero dealers.


But I will soon order another belt for the other bike when they have them in stock again.


-Don-  Reno, NV
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Re: Drive belt questions
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2018, 02:39:45 AM »

Does anybody know how sensitive the belt is to damage when off the bike?   When I ordered a spare belt, it came in a giant box fully uncoiled.  I saw online that the bicycle belts come coiled, so they're a third of the full diameter.  That sure makes a big difference in the portability for carrying a spare, but I'd hate to risk damaging the spare and having it snap because it was improperly stored or handled.
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Re: Drive belt questions
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2018, 03:03:38 AM »

Does anybody know how sensitive the belt is to damage when off the bike?   When I ordered a spare belt, it came in a giant box fully uncoiled.  I saw online that the bicycle belts come coiled, so they're a third of the full diameter.  That sure makes a big difference in the portability for carrying a spare, but I'd hate to risk damaging the spare and having it snap because it was improperly stored or handled.
Mine came coiled in three large coils.

But I will make an assumption (danger!) based on timing belt info. which I assume are probably made much the same way.

The rule there is to have no bends / coils in the belt that are smaller than the smallest  sprocket where used.  IOW, a coil that has no curves smaller than your motor sprocket is fine.    IOW, keep the curves in the unused  belt larger than how it will be used on the smallest sprocket.

This seems logical for any belt, IMO.

Also, they cannot take much pressure pushing in or out on the belt. Never use a tool directly on the belt.

So carrying a spare is fine, but I would still keep the coils as big as possible, but you have a lot of room to play with because the motor sprocket is rather small on our Zeros.


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Re: Drive belt questions
« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2018, 03:53:28 AM »

"Thirds-looped" is how I carry my spare belt (for 2016 DSR). It fits in the pocket of a Safety Seal tire repair zippered pouch.
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Re: Drive belt questions
« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2018, 01:54:52 AM »

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« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2018, 08:16:51 PM »

this one?  https://smile.amazon.com/Light-Deluxe-Repair-Repairs-storable/dp/B010LYKR70/
I have it down as a "Safety Seal SSKAB30" purchased for $42.99 usd. I've had to use it to patch a rear tire; along with the mini compressor it was a permanent fix (although of course I soon replaced the tire as I do not consider any patch permanent on a motorcycle capable of 100mph speeds!)
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« Reply #43 on: September 05, 2018, 03:50:23 AM »

Can you post a picture of the belt looping to fit the bag?
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« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2018, 12:54:18 PM »

Can you post a picture of the belt looping to fit the bag?
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