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[dennis-NL]

Would love to buy a power tank rather than chargetank because of Diginow bellypan solution.
To bad no1 can give me garanty it will work with my 12,5kW battery on a 2013DS.

[heroto]

Can you clarify this setup? Question is for Don Tom about the split charging cable.

[heroto]

... [ all stuff I kind of agree with ed: Shadow ] ...

and get rid of the PowerTank completely it is a mess.

How is the Power Tank a mess?

[dennis-NL]

Can you clarify this setup?

Powertank + Diginow?

Diginow can put 3,3 or 6,6 or max 9,9kW/h in place of the standard 1,3kW/h charger in a custom belly pan (3 units in 1 bellypan).

So I rather choose that because:
* weight is low in the bike
* you can still have your storage in tank
* or buy the power tank for extra range.

But Powertank is not supported on a 2013/14, while it may work if you have upgraded battery (like me the 11,4 was replaced by a 12,5kW in recall)

[heroto]

Sorry meant how exactly do you use the spit cord?
If running more than one charger off a single circuit, doesn’t that just blow the circuit breaker?
Or am I misunderstanding and you have an adapter that converts J1772 to three prong conventional???
Question was for Dom Tom

[DonTom]

Sorry meant how exactly do you use the spit cord?
If running more than one charger off a single circuit, doens’t that just blow the circuit breaker?
Or am I misunderstanding and you have an adapter that converts J1772 to three prong conventional???
Question was for Dom Tom

From the J-charger, I have the Zero J-adapter. I have it go to a "Y" server AC cable, going to another "Y" server cable of the same type. That leaves me with three outlets. One goes to the bike, the other two goes to one charger each.

The J plugs use around 240 VAC. The Zero chargers reduce the current when the voltage is higher. Same wattage at double the 120 VAC  voltage, but current is half. So the 13 amps times three (39 amps)  at 120 VAC becomes 6.5 amps each at 240 VAC or 19.5 amps total. That's less than 20 amps from the J-1772 charger. Usually not a problem, except on the very low current J- chargers that are shared with another vehicle that cannot even do 20 amps per side. Then I remove one Zero quick charger.

Also, even at home I can run all three chargers from the same outlet. I charge with 240 VAC from a clothes drier outlet with a long 240 VAC drier extension cord.

But even that will change. Here at this house, I am having a Tesla Wall Charger installed this very minute. It will be on its own 60 Amp circuit at 240 VAC. I have the Tesla-Tap adapter to convert Tesla to the J-plug and I will use that from now on--with both, my Tesla as well as my E-bikes. I will have the same done at my Reno home later in the week.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[heroto]

Ah, now I understand, thank you.
You have a flexible solution, works with J1772 and regular household, too, without adding the porky, top heavy charge tank.
What is the weight penalty? How much do those $600 Zero accessory charge gizmos weigh?
Thanks

[Richard230]

Ah, now I understand, thank you.
You have a flexible solution, works with J1772 and regular household, too, without adding the porky, top heavy charge tank.
What is the weight penalty? How much do those $600 Zero accessory charge gizmos weigh?
Thanks

According to Motorcycle Consumer News the DSR that they tested with a Charge Tank weighed 452 pounds.  Compare that with the standard DSR that weighs 413 pounds, according to Zero's specifications on their web site, and you get a weight of 39 pounds.

[DonTom]

Ah, now I understand, thank you.
You have a flexible solution, works with J1772 and regular household, too, without adding the porky, top heavy charge tank.
What is the weight penalty? How much do those $600 Zero accessory charge gizmos weigh?
Thanks

They weight close to the weight limit of the saddle bags. The chargers weight ten lbs each (4.5 KG). The saddle bags are rated for 5KG (11 lbs) each. One Zero charger fits in each saddle bag with its cables.

FWIW, the travel trunk is only rated at 3KG (6.6lbs), perhaps because it's mostly behind the rear axle. IOW, not even one Zero charger should be in the travel trunk.

BTW, all my  Zero bike's accessories are  the stock Zero stuff. After market stuff could be a much better deal for many reasons.


-Don- Auburn, CA

[heroto]

Thanks, this is helpful.

Doing the math here.
2 accessory charges at 10# each= 20 lbs. They need some sort of carrying case. The zero rack plus a stock givi can carry them, about another 12-15+ lbs.  The splitter cables have some weight, too. So weight penalty is similar. Your system has more flexibility, and works with power tank, but requires more space.

No free lunch, alas.

[DPsSRnSD]

FWIW, the travel trunk is only rated at 3KG (6.6lbs), perhaps because it's mostly behind the rear axle.

Although, unless you're Electric Terry, it is best to not put a heavy load on the back, the limit for the Zero travel trunk is the limit for the GIVI Monolock model line. The few Monokey models I checked can take 22 lbs.

[DonTom]

Thanks, this is helpful.

Doing the math here.
2 accessory charges at 10# each= 20 lbs. They need some sort of carrying case. The zero rack plus a stock givi can carry them, about another 12-15+ lbs.  The splitter cables have some weight, too. So weight penalty is similar. Your system has more flexibility, and works with power tank, but requires more space.

No free lunch, alas.

Yep., just about all of our choices are some type of trade-off. But this way has been working well enough for me. I rarely use an e-bike for a longer trip, but I still can and have,  when  I want to.  I normally don't have any  chargers in my saddlebags.

I own six of these  Zero quick-chargers, but the way I usually use them is two chargers at each of my three houses.

-Don- Auburn, CA

[heroto]

FWIW, the travel trunk is only rated at 3KG (6.6lbs), perhaps because it's mostly behind the rear axle.

Although, unless you're Electric Terry, it is best to not put a heavy load on the back, the limit for the Zero travel trunk is the limit for the GIVI Monolock model line. The few Monokey models I checked can take 22 lbs.

Monokey for me. Can trade between motos, and more robust.

[DonTom]

Although, unless you're Electric Terry, it is best to not put a heavy load on the back, the limit for the Zero travel trunk is the limit for the GIVI Monolock model line. The few Monokey models I checked can take 22 lbs.

The limit could be more for the bike than for the travel trunk itself.

IOW, it may not be a good idea to exceed the 3KG/ 6.6 lbs weight limit even with the Monokey. Behind the rear axle is not a safe place to carry much weight. Between the axles is were the weight should be. I assume the Zero trunk itself can handle more than 22 lbs, its location is the real problem that sets the weight limit.

-Don-  AUburn, CA

[JaimeC]

FWIW, the travel trunk is only rated at 3KG (6.6lbs), perhaps because it's mostly behind the rear axle.

Although, unless you're Electric Terry, it is best to not put a heavy load on the back, the limit for the Zero travel trunk is the limit for the GIVI Monolock model line. The few Monokey models I checked can take 22 lbs.

Terry also counteracts that rearward weight with a 45lbs Husky in front.