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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: JaimeC on September 22, 2019, 05:04:05 AM
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Story at Asphalt and Rubber:
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/rumors/zero-srf-full-fairing-spy-photo/
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Good. Even if it’s not a game changing fairing, in terms of highway range, this means the OEM has a frame or subframe that can support a fairing.
It also supports a proper cockpit, which is a great feature of the Hollywood Electrics fairing.
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Story at Asphalt and Rubber:
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/rumors/zero-srf-full-fairing-spy-photo/
Sweet! I would be interested. The ergos look good. My only complaint (besides no L3 charging) are the high foot pegs, which im sure I could figure out how to lower them a couple inches.
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Nice looking fairing. It looks like it could have been lifted off of any number of ICE motorcycles. I wonder if it was? I also note the SHAD hard saddlebags. They look just like the SH36 models that I installed on my BMW R1200RS. Or maybe they are their SH35 bags? I am a little confused why SHAD makes two such similar hard bags. ??? I have been very happy with my SHAD luggage, but they do tend to be kind of wide due to their size. When I have them on my bike I do my best not to filter through traffic. ;)
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Looks nice, when does Zero usually announce models for the year?
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Looks nice, when does Zero usually announce models for the year?
EICMA, usually... though they've already announced the 2020 models for this year. There are a couple of threads about it here already.
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Very nice...maybe Zero will be the first to offer a true sport-touring electric. That fairing and hard bags look like it will make a nice ride for longer commutes and some light touring.
Hopefully they’ll address the DC fast charging issue if they do try to bring a sport touring electric to market.
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Definitely encouraging! The photo is too blurred for me to tell what's actually underneath, so I hope Asphalt & Rubber is getting it right.
Especially encouraging that it's shown with panniers, so it's likely to be a faired sport-tourer rather than a faired sportbike; the panniers being SHAD also makes sense -- IIRC, the top case Zero itself sells is also SHAD?
Oh and Richard -- the SHAD SH35 cases are aluminum, and more expensive than the very common SH36 cases, in accordance with the current silly fad for aluminum cases borrowed from adventure bikes.
Givi isn't immune from this, either; their V35 and V37 side cases are inferior in most respects to the older and far cheaper E360, which is still manufactured.
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The top box on my 2018 S is made by Givi, not SHAD...
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Definitely encouraging! The photo is too blurred for me to tell what's actually underneath, so I hope Asphalt & Rubber is getting it right.
Especially encouraging that it's shown with panniers, so it's likely to be a faired sport-tourer rather than a faired sportbike; the panniers being SHAD also makes sense -- IIRC, the top case Zero itself sells is also SHAD?
Oh and Richard -- the SHAD SH35 cases are aluminum, and more expensive than the very common SH36 cases, in accordance with the current silly fad for aluminum cases borrowed from adventure bikes.
Givi isn't immune from this, either; their V35 and V37 side cases are inferior in most respects to the older and far cheaper E360, which is still manufactured.
In that case, the SHAD cases on the spy-shot bike are the SH36 models. I really like mine. SHAD makes the BMW plastic cases, but the SH36 models are half the weight and about 1/3 the cost of the BMW products and work just as well. Any yes, the current top box sold by Zero is a Givi item. But I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the top box sold for the SR/F is also a SHAD item. Zero does like to switch vendors now and then, especially windshield manufacturers. ;)
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The top box on my 2009 Yamaha TMAX was a Givi... in fact, I think it was the exact same model as the one currently on my Zero S. My 2019 Yamaha XMAX, however, has a SHAD top box... so Zero isn't the only one who switches vendors.
Cheap bastard that I am, I was sorry to hear the XMAX luggage rack was designed for SHAD and not Givi, or I wouldn't've bothered buying the top box; I would've just swapped the one I had back and forth depending on which one I was riding. Oh well.
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I have a Givi rear rack on my Yamaha and it is convenient to switch the Zero top box between the two motorcycles. Two for the price of one. ;)
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Usually, people adapt another rack system from Givi or SW-Motech to accommodate a Shad top case, rather than the other way around.
I'd also prefer a Givi-compatible top mount for similar reasons (re-use my Givi Maxia 3 across bikes). But it can probably be adapted with a little tinkering.
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Was just watching this video with subtitles enabled for italian and right about 1:15 mark to 1:26 mark, the subtitles say that Josef Morat (Country Manager Italia ZERO Motorcycles) confirming a faired version officially coming soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TISi0bcJWTQ
Maybe someone who knows italian can confirm :)
-Shayan
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Yea, it definitely sounds like hes hinting at a faired version soon(put it through a couple translators). Surprised we didnt see it teased at EICMA but oh well. Based off the picture and this interview it sounds like its on its way sometime in 2020.
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Was just watching this video with subtitles enabled for italian and right about 1:15 mark to 1:26 mark, the subtitles say that Josef Morat (Country Manager Italia ZERO Motorcycles) confirming a faired version officially coming soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TISi0bcJWTQ
Maybe someone who knows italian can confirm :)
-Shayan
Yes, he say it's coming soon, nothing more.
BTW at this link there is a picture taken on the street somewhere in the US https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/rumors/zero-srf-full-fairing-spy-photo/
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I can confirm that. I've been at the EICMA 2019 Friday and had the chance to talk to the marketing director of Zero Europe (don't know his name).
He also said a SR/F-Version (may be has another name then) with fairing would come. If I remember correctly, he said, pictures would be available about January. Then I think a view month later the bike should be available. Early summer? I'm not quite sure what timeline he mentioned.
No other colors for the SR/F planned at the moment. May be, for the new faired version? I did not ask.
Wind-shields, top- and side cases should be available earlier then the new faired bike he said. No drop-protection is planned in the accessory-department. Later, another back office-member of the team Europe told me, I should look at R&G. He thinks, they are working on it.
The marketing director also told me, especially in the first months they had problems to come up with the demand, which was much bigger than they expected. He had 7 bikes for journalists and everyone wanted to test ride one at the same time. The worst thing was, that some people who ordered early (selling started in February) had nonetheless to wait nearly until the season was over. It seemed to me he had a really bad conscience about that.
I asked, if they deliver ordered bikes with the additional tank or the rapid charge system (6kW) directly from the states. They did, but have stopped. As the delivery from the states by ship takes quite some time, they are more flexible when the dealer installs the additional options. Otherwise they suddenly have enough bikes in Europe, but in the wrong setup.
I asked, if they plan to build a factory-site in Europe, as S.Pachel mentioned they had to (or have to) build more capacity. No, they don't. May be in a view years they may do the installation of the additional tank, rapid charge system directly in the Netherlands, but not soon. At the moment it is in the hands of the dealers.
One of them also told us (me and another interested guy whom I met at the stand), that he thinks that about 50 dealers wanted information about how to become a Zero-dealer.
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Sounds promising. :)
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For what it’s worth, I was onsite at Zero’s headquarters by invitation to chat with the service department and sit in on dealer training. (I also got to learn a lot about the SR/F which I’ll try to relate soon.)
Whatever this is seems to be something they want to show off when they can. There was a certain excitement when I mentioned the photo leak. I think Zero is allowing more signals these days about where they want to go next, which helps when it comes to perceived shortcomings like L3 charging solutions or fairings or whatever. Who knows, maybe this leak was intentional; they certainly didn’t seem too bothered.
As I’ve said, any fairing support with a cockpit gets my vote, even if I’m motivated to modify it to go further.
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Re the preceeding few posts, it all sounds very promising.
Maybe not very surprising, since the SR/F significantly higher GVWR's was a big hint that Zero has been thinking about larger bikes, more suitable for long distances -- better luggage, pillion passenger and/or higher battery capacity and range, and a fairing is a big part of that. However, it is a nice surprise that it seems to be nearer-term.
I'd expect a larger bike to also offer as an option a larger battery pack (more than the Power Tank provides).
My expectation is that such bikes will sell fairly well, despite necessarily being more expensive. Hopefully the lack of CCS DC charging won't be a serious roadblock.
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I'd love to see it, too...but I'm a little bit skeptical about what's considered a "full fairing" these days. If any motorcycle needs aerodynamics, it's ours, and not some half-assed thing that's only "full" in comparison to today's "bikini" fairings. We need a fairing that covers the complete motorcycle and as much of the rider as possible.
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Regarding the photo leak: I think it was the marketing director Europe who told me, the leak was from a guy working in a competitor factory nearby (something with B....?) who always would observe traffic closely for 'new developments' and in that case took a picture in a hurry.
I also had not the impression that this disturbed Zero. "They are allways doing test rides around the area of course" he mentioned easily.
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Quote Doug S: "I'd love to see it, too...but I'm a little bit skeptical about what's considered a "full fairing" these days."
As far as I understood it won't be a full fairing. Probably more of a bikini fairing as you named it :). He showed me roughly, which parts would be covered. But please don't count on that; I'm a newby regarding motorcycles, not even owing one yet. So I didn't ask details others probably would have ... sorry ;D
If it's the opposite you'll have a positive surprise ....
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Not sure how they can achieve L3 DC charging capabilities without the need to overhaul their battery architecture entirely, but fairings would certainly get my vote too! It would probably be the be the most cost effective way for Zero to improve range at this point in time. But dont know how/if these fairings would be compatible to non SR/F models.
They could go about providing the 3kW chargers that they have for the SR/F to S/DS/SR/DSR bikes, since they share the same battery pack and that would be a great improvement to charge times combined with the gains in range through fairings. I really loved that custom winged fairing on the SR/F that was shown off in EICMA by a 3rd party bike customizer.
From the Laguna Seca lap of the pikes peak SR/F, so that should be some progress then:
The Pikes bike has revised firmware settings to allow the motor and controller to run deeper into its thermal limits before pulling back power.
Looking at the leaked pic, it did not look like a bikini fairing, but more like sport touring. I could be wrong though.
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That leaked picture is not a half top only fairing. It looks more like a sports fairing with the existing SR/F back end.
I doubt that would add much range though. Mounting clip ons will have more effect and even then only on higher speeds.
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That fairing is at least ¾ by anyone’s judgement, definitely down to the bottom of the frame and fully sculpting the battery front. You can tell that it covers the trellis and case fins below the knee.
The windscreen is on the short side, and that would be my very first modification.
I’m unclear on the cockpit, but the dash getting moved forward and off the steering head would be welcome, just easier to glance at.
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Looking at this article and the interview from Josef Morat, the faired version might be coming in April 2020:
https://advrider.com/zero-motorcycle-event-at-officine-mermaid-fuori-outside-eicma-2019/?fbclid=IwAR3ZAbQh5lcr7ZwF-uyFVcsGYfdRtYsmvE1fO5vrpL14CTbx-zm8ttYNBZw
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It's coming! I'm extremely excited about it and almost as I was before the SR/F was released.
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It's coming! I'm extremely excited about it and almost as I was before the SR/F was released.
What did you hear beyond the stuff abovethread, to the extent you can say without compromising sources?