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[DonTom]

I bet that woke you all up! But no, it doesn't exist--yet.


But I am wondering if there will be a new version of FW to make our Energicas compatible with Teslas V3 & V4 Superchargers that do NOT have Magic Dock.


I know that Fords and Rivians can now use the V3 & v4 (250 kw) Superchargers, not sure about Chevy. I realize the vehicles need to first get an update to make them compatible with the V3 and V4 Tesla Superchargers.  The Fords and Rivians will NOT work without the update, except for those few with the Magic Dock.


I already have a couple of Tesla SC to CCS adapters.  They do not work, which makes me wonder what the difference is between the Telsa SCs with and without the Magic Dock.


Anyway, I do realize we would need a FW update to use the non-Magic Dock V3 & V4 Tesla Superchargers. Will it exist??  Should I wait for it or just get my V 43 and forget about ever using the V3 & V4 Tesla SCers?


-Don-  Reno, NV

[MVetter]

Literally does not matter how much prep Energica does. This is entirely in the hands of Tesla whether or not they want to approve certain manufacturers. You want change? Petition Tesla. They're the ones with the roadblocks. Period.

[Specter]

Energica is already ready pretty much, just waiting for Tesla to approve it.  Im fairly certain 43 is ready to handle it, or laid most the groundwork, it's not so much a matter of the bike it's the issue of the charger saying, OK Ill turn on for you. 
Elon is too  big to really care about the little guys,  so they wait patiently for a reply...any reply from him.

Aaron

[DonTom]

Literally does not matter how much prep Energica does. This is entirely in the hands of Tesla whether or not they want to approve certain manufacturers. You want change? Petition Tesla. They're the ones with the roadblocks. Period.

Can you explain the difference between a V3 Telsa SC with Magic Dock and a Telsa V3 SC with a NACS to CCS adapter?


-Don- Fallon, NV (ride)

[Motoproponent]

Can you explain the difference between a V3 Telsa SC with Magic Dock and a Telsa V3 SC with a NACS to CCS adapter?


-Don- Fallon, NV (ride)

The ones with the Magic Dock don't need to check that the vehicle connected is a vehicle from the authorized list of vehicles. You can just connect them with the magic dock to the vehicle and start the session with the app.

Non-magic dock superchargers, need to get confirmation from the vehicle connected it is an authorized vehicle (Tesla, Ford, and Rivian) before starting the session.

It looks like Tesla is rolling out access to the Supercharger Network in the order the manufacturers committed to NACS. Ford was first so they get access now with authorized adapters. So F150 Lightnings and Mach E. Now Rivians can join in. Next is GM, Volvo, and Polestar.

We'll be able to use non-magic dock SCs when Tesla allows Energicas, specifically or if they ever just open it up to all.

[Pard]

[svelectric]

https://www.plugshare.com/map/tesla-ccs-locations

79 in North America.  C'mon Elon!

[DonTom]

https://www.plugshare.com/map/tesla-ccs-locations

79 in North America.  C'mon Elon!

In CA,the state with the most EVs by far, only three Magic Docks. All three in stupid locations where real CCS is only a short distance away from each.


-Don-  Reno, nV

[ddennis669]

I don't believe the Magic Docks were intended as a solution for Tesla, so I don't expect to see any massive rollout. I think they were a way to test the technology and collect data on which vehicles use them and potential demand. NACS adoption is the solution.

[DonTom]

I don't believe the Magic Docks were intended as a solution for Tesla, so I don't expect to see any massive rollout. I think they were a way to test the technology and collect data on which vehicles use them and potential demand. NACS adoption is the solution.

If  NACS will be a standard, then it will have to work with all CCS vehicles and that will have to include Energica.


Or else the new standard will be "all except Energica".


-Don-  Reno, NV

[svelectric]

I don't believe the Magic Docks were intended as a solution for Tesla, so I don't expect to see any massive rollout. I think they were a way to test the technology and collect data on which vehicles use them and potential demand. NACS adoption is the solution.

I think you're on the right track for sure.  Plus, from what I've read, there was also government funding grants on the table as well, likely driving/funding the magic docks.  Any that are currently open to Ford/Rivian, will hopefully be open to all asap. 

[MVetter]

If  NACS will be a standard, then it will have to work with all CCS vehicles and that will have to include Energica.


Or else the new standard will be "all except Energica".

Nonsense. The plug can be a standard without Tesla deciding to open their network to everyone. It's their private network. They are free to include or exclude whoever they want. Rivian even made their own exclusionary CCS network.

[Specter]

It's like back in the dial up modem days with the Kflex .vs. the X2 protocol,  even though Hayes was the so called standard..if I remember that far back correctly.

Tesla can  sell to whomever they want.  Other people are making AND selling an adapter already. I already have one and have been testing it.   It'd be in Tesla's best interest to let anyone / everyone with CCS use their stations as they can charge them to do so but they don't HAVE to, no matter what some may think.  I think the biggest hurdle right now would be them having to retrofit the adapter TO the fast chargers they already have deployed, but if one were to bring their own adapter, then it's just a matter of them saying, ok use your app and lets do this.

Many of the car manu's are selling / offering this adapter to their older customers to merge with Tesla super chargers.  I think its only a matter of time before Tesla says, get the app, sign up, log in, get a good adapter and plug in and go.


Aaron

[DonTom]

Nonsense. The plug can be a standard without Tesla deciding to open their network to everyone. It's their private network. They are free to include or exclude whoever they want. Rivian even made their own exclusionary CCS network.

OIC, so there could be many EVs where Tesla SC plug will fit without an adapter but there will be no charging.


I was thinking Tesla's plan was to open them up to everybody.



BTW, do you know the difference between the Tesla Magic Docks on V-3 Tesla Superchargers and another V3 Tesla Supercharger  withOUT Magic Dock but with a Tesla to CCS adapter?


It seems to me that Telsa supercharging from their V3s have three different types of possible outputs. Tesla NACS, CCS (with Magic Dock) and all other V3s that have no Magic Dock and no way to convert to CCS unless the non-Tesla is running a special SW program which is probably not CCS at all.


So it looks like our Energicas will never be able to use the Tesla Superchargers, other than the few totally useless locations where they have Magic Dock.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[Specter]

3rd party port
app turns it on
set to go
how hard is that?

or another tesla owner can turn it on for you, if it asks for money you arrange it with the turner on'er.