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3 words: DON'T DO IT.

There's nothing in the manual that says you have to use 220 or 240 volts, and the dealer never said anything about it, so I always just charged with the 110/120V in our garage.  Even after my wife raised the alarm one day about the smell of burning plastic, I still kept using 110/120.  However, I replaced the spade connector with the most robust spade that the local electronics store could find (ie, the same as the stock item).  But the male Zero plug still got extremely hot (ie, my finger starting to burn after a second or two), so I tended not to charge until the battery got low, and I checked the condition of charge every hour or so until the battery was fully charged.  And my wife kept nagging me about the possibility of burning down the garage.
 
And one day, after limping home with only one bar on the speedo, I noticed that the bike no longer was able to charge up to 11 bars.  Now it was only 8 bars maximum.  (I did a whole 'nother thread on that, with the title "how bad is my battery").

Suffice it to say that I eventually got a 240v system installed in the garage by an accredited electrician.  I didn't bother to get a wall outlet done, but instead just soldered the wires to the female plug end of the original Zero cord.  I did, however, get the electrician to install a robust switch for the cord, so that any sparking during the on/offs occurred at the new switch, instead of at the bike plug.  And the whole thing cost me less than $200.  I only wish I had done it when I originally purchased the bike. 

Now, not only does the plug on the bike remain totally cool, but I've also found that the balancing function (p. 6.4 of the manual) on the BMS actually works.  In fact, the majority of the work done to get back to 11 bars from 8 was done merely by leaving the bike plugged into 240v for about a week steady.       

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: How bad is my battery?
« on: April 02, 2021, 07:50:50 AM »
I got the imbalance down to 5mV, so I took the bike out for a spin.  It ran just fine, and the 11 bars went down to 9 in about the number of miles it used to.  So I'm ultra-happy with that, since up until I got the dobal function working, I was thinking of getting rid of the bike and getting an ICE machine instead. 

The only remaining weird thing is that ZeroSpy is telling me that I'm still about 500mV out of balance.  Oh well, the bike seems to know better.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: How bad is my battery?
« on: March 29, 2021, 07:26:44 PM »
Imbalance down to 31mV now, so I'd estimate that every couple of hours, the mV goes down by 1.  Yippee!

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: How bad is my battery?
« on: March 29, 2021, 06:12:02 AM »
Well, that dobal command seems to be doing something.  Just in the few hours since I last posted, the imbalance went from 38mv to 35mv  (currently sitting at 4083/4117).

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: How bad is my battery?
« on: March 29, 2021, 01:28:35 AM »
So I was able to start the dobal function, using the teraterm software (see attached text file).  Is dobal actually able to balance cells?  I told it to stop after a short while, since I wasn't sure about its capabilities.
What firmware version is on the pack/monolith?
Who provided LEVEL 3 password?

Sorry.  I've been asked not to say who provided the password.   But I'm mighty glad that he/she did, given that the nearest Zero dealership is now 1,000 km's away, and that when I emailed Zero about my battery problems, they didn't even bother to answer my email. 

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: How bad is my battery?
« on: March 29, 2021, 01:24:58 AM »
Just an update since last august.  Since then, I've gotten a 240v line installed for charging, and have, for days at a time, just left the bike plugged in (and for much of that time, the 3 little green lights on the battery would indicate that balancing was occurring...p. 6.4 in the manual).  Whereas before, I could only get 8 bars of charge on the speedo, I can now get all 11 bars.  And now, when I do the dobal command via the TeraTerm software, it indicates a mere 38 mv of imbalance 4085 min and 4123 max.  (compare that to the 210mv imbalance shown in the txt file above).  This is puzzling, since the Zerospy software indicated on March 13th (and the bike in the meantime was not used or plugged in) a voltage of 3423 min and 4126 max.

I'll leave the dobal command working for another 12 hours or so, to see if there's any improvement, but after that, I'll check the Zerospy results again.  But given the big discrepancy in the Zerospy (March 13th) vs TeraTerm (March 28th) results, I'm wondering if they're looking at the same thing.  (?)

I'm also wondering what imbalance level might be normal?

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: How bad is my battery?
« on: August 24, 2020, 08:06:12 AM »
So I was able to start the dobal function, using the teraterm software (see attached text file).  Is dobal actually able to balance cells?  I told it to stop after a short while, since I wasn't sure about its capabilities.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: How bad is my battery?
« on: August 11, 2020, 07:20:24 AM »
I'll just give them a call. 

Here are my cells, by the way.  Finally found out how to communicate via teraterm. 

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: How bad is my battery?
« on: August 10, 2020, 07:26:05 PM »
Are you aware of the recall on 2014 FX frames?
Are you still derailing someone's thread making unsubstantiated allegations?

-Crissa
Crissa you never answered if you're a Zero Motorcycle employee or not?  Perhaps a Zero Dealer?  If only by virtual of our thousands of hours servicing hundreds of Zero motorcycles my statements, concerns are not unsubstantiated.


@quixotic Brian is right, a dealer could probably get more info on the BMS and battery. But I suspect it would point right back to the battery. Those aren't cheap to replace, and require a harness swap as well. Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 5-8k dollars. I'd call Zero with your VIN, if your battery was part of the 2013 monolith upgrade campaign, Zero will pay to do the work, even outside warranty.

Yes, I suppose I should at least pick up the phone.  But I did email them more than a month ago, asking if there were any problems with the 2013 battery (along with my battery and bike ser #), and there has since been no reply. 

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: How bad is my battery?
« on: August 04, 2020, 01:05:02 AM »
Does anyone know about how long the tereterm battery info download takes?  Currently, it has been spitting out code snippets for about a half an hour now. 

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: How bad is my battery?
« on: August 03, 2020, 11:34:05 PM »
My 2013 only gets used in the summer months, so in the winter, it has been stored in a somewhat heated garage (perhaps down to freezing at times), and charged every 90 days or so (as per the manual).  But I've noticed that now it will only charge up to 8 bars on the speedo indicator (or the single red and double green lights on the battery indicators). I can leave it charging (via 110 volts), but at some point, it just wants to go to the "unbalanced" indicator (the 3 alternating flashing green lights).  Is the battery on its way out?  (The bike still seems just as responsive as it ever was).

Thanks in advance for any info.

ALL 2013 batteries were replaced. Did you not receive a replacement?

No.  I bought the bike (the floor demo) from All Season Motorsport in Calgary, when they were still officially a Zero dealership.  Months later, they ceased being a dealer, and I didn't hear anything about the battery after that.  When I had problems with the battery earlier this year, I emailed Zero, asking for info on my battery (I supplied the bike and battery serial numbers), but didn't hear anything back.  I guess I should phone them.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: How bad is my battery?
« on: August 03, 2020, 04:34:24 AM »
Why unplug it? Are you worried about the power usage? A 60W bulb running for 20 minutes isn't going to make the slightest bit of difference, you could leave it on for days on end before running the battery down.

Good to know.  I'll leave it as is...especially since it's a supreme pain to unplug the aftermarket headlight on my bike.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: How bad is my battery?
« on: August 03, 2020, 02:54:13 AM »
Thanks for that.  I guess I should unplug the headlight while the data is being spit out, since by my calculations, it'll take about 20 minutes.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 3d printed plate decoration
« on: August 03, 2020, 12:36:28 AM »
Wow!  That's very cool!  Bravo and two thumbs up!

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: How bad is my battery?
« on: August 03, 2020, 12:34:01 AM »
Sorry for the silence. _____ has been helping me (via email) to communicate with the battery via teraterm.  Some delays, since a) the bike still works just fine, but with a slightly reduced range (and I'm fairly lazy), and b) the cord plug conductors had to be shipped in from overseas.

Anyway, I now have teraterm spitting out bits of meaningless (to me) text every 10 seconds, which I assume correlates to the info for an individual cell every 10 seconds.  My questions now are:

Is my assumption about each text stream corresponding to a single battery cell correct?

and:

how many cells are in a 2013 Zero?

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