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At the 1-mile timing location:



It's a pic on book of faces (group called Loring Timing Association).  I'll look for pics for those who can't see it.

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A gentleman brought what I believe to be a 2020 SR/F (Premium trim) to the Loring Timing Association's "Harvest Event" last week.  The bike ran a very respectable 120/118 mph at the 1.0 and 1.5 mile timing distances.  It was pretty evident to me that the battery is stronger than the motor/controller as he did numerous runs w/o any real charging.  Really nice looking machine too.

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Home Brew / Re: Lightfighter Racing Blog
« on: July 15, 2021, 07:12:05 AM »
Good job Brian - personally I would love to learn more about your pack design and any construction tips you might have.  Getting anything to survive and work well at those temps is an outstanding achievement.

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General Discussion / Re: The dangers of charging an EV
« on: February 25, 2021, 06:24:02 PM »
Any thoughts on where this is and what kind of vehicle that is?

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Electric Motorcycle News / Re: The Curtiss One has arrived
« on: February 03, 2021, 07:04:35 PM »
Back to batteries: I like pouch cells and have never used anything else.  But in planning my next build I'm finding that it's hard to identify quality cells that are available to the average hobbyist.  There's all sorts of cylindrical cells out there that anyone can buy though.

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If you want TC you can buy a modern sportbike that offers that feature.  If you want TC on a electric bike you're welcome to write manufacturers and request it.  The sensor technology may be there but I really don't think implementation is as straightforward as some of you may think.  And TC is no guarantee you won't slide out on a slippery surface, just as ABS is no guarantee you'll be able to stop in time.  These technologies don't improve traction.  Or, you can stop treating public roads as a racetrack and slow down a bit, especially in turns.

Modern tires are incredibly good but if we don't understand basic risks of sharing roadways with other vehicles, all the technology in the world can't help.  Maybe I'm getting older but there's an awful lot more people in the world now than there was when I started riding and an awful lot more vehicles.  Roads are in worse shape and drivers are more inattentive.  Want to go fast?  Pick your circumstances.  Want to go faster?  Head to the track.

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Home Brew / Re: Hub vs Frame mounted BLDC
« on: December 16, 2020, 07:15:38 PM »
Hub motors leave more rooms for batteries, controller, but are heavier so impact handling.  There's also an advantage not having to worry about motor mounting, chain run, etc.  I remember seeing a Buell Blast with an Enertrac and the guy was happy with it.  Re axle diameter, brakes, etc. - you'll have to figure all that out.  Maybe contact Enertrac for their advice?

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Damon / Re: The Hypersport is the Flagship but what else is coming?
« on: November 21, 2020, 04:03:20 AM »
Well I feel like Damon is nothing like Lightning.
They have a better team with proven electric vehicle success.

?? Has Damon produced something already?  People may not like Lightning's product(s) or business practices, but they have produced motorcycles and won races.

Damon needs to get a couple of units out to moto journalists for evaluation, that will do more for them than anything else.  I would suggest Troy Siahaan as he's ridden the Lightning and raced Lightfighter.

It appears to me that they plan to use one common drivetrain (Hyperdrive) and they'll just add more battery to hit the higher power and range numbers.  That will add weight of course but having common components would probably reduce assembly complexity, parts inventories, etc.

I am very interested in their claim that they'll use battery structure somehow to bear loads.  That and their 48# motor: I think that's half what Remy and Parker weight for comparable outputs.

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Damon / Re: The Hypersport is the Flagship but what else is coming?
« on: November 20, 2020, 08:10:02 PM »
It still looks like a bunch of design goals, specs and computer renderings to me.  It's great marketing (and I really hope they can deliver on some of their claims) but until there's some sort of independent verification...

If they really can deliver 200 HP/200 Nm torque in a 48# motor- kudos to them because I don't think anyone else has been able to do so.  But the numbers seem a bit convenient i.e. 200, 200, 200 HP, nm, MPH.  I haven't actually signed up for a test ride yet but I did confirm that they intend to market in both the US and Canada.  Once they actually start production I would love to try one out but I would expect them to focus on population centers and that's about the polar opposite of where I'm located.  Maybe I should sign up, just to let them know someone else might be interested in the eastern part of the continent.

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Damon / Re: The Hypersport is the Flagship but what else is coming?
« on: November 20, 2020, 06:14:29 PM »
It's all vaporware until they publish more detail....

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There is not an infinite supply of fossil fuels and all the easily extractable oil is already being accessed.  How can we build any kind of future on energy technology that is not ultimately sustainable?

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(Thanks)  It was a 96S pack of Lonestar Sleeper cells, a bit over 400 VDC hot off the charger.  Remy HVH250-090D motor with Rinehart PM100DXR controller.  I can't remember if I've posted here before, it was back in 2016 and 2017.

Re Voxan: I suspect that bike might have enough guts to accelerate to speed (in say, 1 mile or 1.6 km), measure a flying km, then stop - but I wouldn't want to do it.  Slowing from 254 mph to 50 km/h in .9 km requires an average braking of .7G!

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I suppose I have a unique perspective on, and a vested interest in, this project as I'm one of only a few people in the world to have ridden an electric sit-on motorcycle faster than 200 mph, and the only one (as far as I know and I do pay attention), to do so using OEM bodywork in a street-legal configuration.  Here's video of one of my runs at Loring (Limestone, Maine):



This bike (converted 2004 Suzuki Hayabusa) runs 94 mph at my local 1/8-mile drag strip with no changes.  Gearing is 17/42.  I have ridden (on the street) with a 65-tooth rear sprocket and had to limit torque to 50% to make it streetable: acceleration is pretty intense with that gearing.  A couple of years ago, Motorcyclist raced a Lightning LS218 against a Kawasaki H2 and the Lightning did 144 mph in the 1/4-mile with a 66-tooth rear sprocket.  Big sprockets make you accelerate quicker and with that much torque/power the Voxan should be a beast in standing start racing.

https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/kawasaki-h2-vs-lightning-ls-218/#:~:text=Nine%2Dpoint%2Dnine%2Dfour,second%20and%204%20mph%20behind.

Voxan should be more forthcoming with how they took their measurements.  Perhaps they did use a parallel runway somehow to get more room to accelerate but they should be up-front about it (although I can't visualize how this could work).  I've been very involved in LSR for more than 10 years and have personally witnessed thousands of high-speed passes at Loring.  I don't know how they could do what they're claiming, in the distance they claim to have used and still accelerate to speed then stop safely.

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I'll make the same comment as I've made in other places: their claims don't "hang together".  How can the Standing Start speeds (1/4-mile, kilometer and mile) be so slow yet their Flying speeds be so fast?  The runway is only 2.17 miles long.  How were the speeds measured?  Radar? GPS? Timing lights?  How do you achieve a speed of 240 mph in the flying km yet only do 138 in the standing start mile?  You have to leave room to stop!

To be clear: if their drivetrain really can make the power they claim (and the components certainly exist to make this possible), this bike is capable of *very* high speeds: > 300 mph at Bolivia (making reasonable assumptions about aero drag).  Just that these particular claims don't make sense.

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Home Brew / Re: Lightfighter Racing Blog
« on: November 01, 2020, 06:41:24 PM »
The bike's never been crashed, but it's been dropped a couple of times - once at the track doing photo shoot maneuvers in the pit lane and another when it fell off the dyno when the front wheel chock failed.

I use polycarbonate for my packs; my only crash experience was one time my drag bike was parked in line and a guy on a bicycle ran into it (I kid you not).  I was talking to a friend by his car and heard the crash and thought "that sounds like someone's bike fell over" - turned around and it was mine.  The guy on the bicycle (I think he was drunk) stands and yells "I'm okay!  I'm okay!"  No damage but I wasn't that happy with him, lol.

You are correct about the motorcycle: Amarok.  I've tried to get in touch with them as our place in Nova Scotia is only about an hour from the Halifax area but no luck.  I don't think it was that quick, but it was quite some time ago - technology has advanced a bit since then.  They actually ran it at Pikes Peak.  The track scenes in the video are at Atlantic Motorsports Park, where I do track days.

https://www.amarokracing.ca/site/Home.html



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