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[shayan]

Right, this is useful info in general. Also, in one of a Zero owner's youtube videos featuring Morgan, Morgan showed a teslatap which was pretty much the same size as the tesla's J1772 -> tesla adapter. Would be awesome if this can be made available to all.

[DonTom]

Right, this is useful info in general. Also, in one of a Zero owner's youtube videos featuring Morgan, Morgan showed a teslatap which was pretty much the same size as the tesla's J1772 -> tesla adapter. Would be awesome if this can be made available to all.

Here (below) is the granny cable that I take with my Energica. This way,  I can charge at 3 KW, from 240 VAC outlets, such as in Genoa, NV  or even from the 120 VAC outlet at the Target store near there with my Energica at 1.5 KW.

I will soon make another for my Zeros, so I can charge it also from 240 VAC outlets at 6.3 KW, with my external chargers. A 240 VAC outlet charges the same as a J-1772.

Notice the output side is very much shortened. Much lighter and much smaller. The input side doesn't matter how long it is as it will connect to a common 120 VAC extension cord (not shown). At the end of it, I have an adapter for 240VAC which I feed the 120 VAC extension cord with. The common 120 VAC extension cord  doesn't even get the slightest bit warm from 240 VAC running  3KW to the bike. With this and also a Tesla Tap I can pretty much charge anywhere possible while on the road.

-Don- Reno, NV

[Crissa]

Hey, Don, why don't you make a thread about your taps and their wiring in https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?board=29.0 ?

A thread of how we're doing our charging setups would probably be useful.

-Crissa

[DonTom]

Hey, Don, why don't you make a thread about your taps and their wiring in https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?board=29.0 ?

A thread of how we're doing our charging setups would probably be useful.

-Crissa

I figure everybody reads almost every message in this forum anyway, as it's not that busy. Most of here in the LW secion do NOT own LWs, like you and me.

BTW, a granny cable is not needed for my Zeros, of course, but I am already set up to use such with my external chargers and J1772 adapter from Tucson EV.

But the info, here should be useful for anybody who wants to charge from outlets on the road from bikes that come with heavy long granny cables, such as the LW, Energica, SR/F and SR/S, etc. 

I assume some day the bikes will come with a motorcycle version. But for now, we have to make our own. Fairly easy to modify the cable it comes with.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Crissa]

Yeah, but if anyone new shows up, or someone is only interested in certain things, they won't just read all the old messages to find stuff.

-Crissa

[DonTom]

Yeah, but if anyone new shows up, or someone is only interested in certain things, they won't just read all the old messages to find stuff.-Crissa

I just modified another tonight, since I discovered I have  another granny cable here.

I took your advice and posted in the "Mods and Hacks"  section, also showing the one I modified around an hour ago.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[BrianTRice@gmail.com]

I think DonTom has forgotten what it's like to be fully employed.

I barely keep track of threads around here, picking what I pay attention to for community assistance, and I think it's important to label threads so people can decide what to pay attention to and not lose track of interesting information.

[Sklith]

Level 3 charging should only be used when necessary on a motorcycle battery. It's tough on the batteries. Perhaps less so on the LW because it uses a slower charge rate even on L3, especially when compared to Energica's non-plus models.

The good thing about DCFC with Energicas is you can lower the amp limit! I don't know of any other EV which does this.

[DonTom]

The good thing about DCFC with Energicas is you can lower the amp limit! I don't know of any other EV which does this.

My Tesla can be set to charge as low as five amps.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Crissa]

Occasional fast charging and temperature stabilized charging does not damage the battery, Don.

Not all passively cooled batteries have had reliability problems with fast charging.  It's mostly the Leaf that had the problems.

Zeros are just physically smaller and the battery is more exposed to the air than a pack under a car.  And that's why the new packs have vertical vanes, too.  Energicas solve this by being heavier and more complex.

-Crissa

[Sklith]

My Tesla can be set to charge as low as five amps.

-Don-  Reno, NV

I own a Model 3 Performance, and I cannot change the amps when supercharging. Energica allows you to adjust the amps while DC fast charging, and I haven't seen that option in any other vehicle.

[DonTom]

Occasional fast charging and temperature stabilized charging does not damage the battery, Don.

Be sure to let Energica know so they can correct their owner's manual. It says always use  AC charging when there is a choice.

It's tough on a motorcycle battery to charge at 25 KW..

-Don- Reno, NV

[DonTom]

I own a Model 3 Performance, and I cannot change the amps when supercharging. Energica allows you to adjust the amps while DC fast charging, and I haven't seen that option in any other vehicle.

Oh, I have never tried to use either.

I don't know if there is much point in adjusting the rate of DC fast charging. That is the job of the BMS and charger program. Lowering it just means you pay more as CCS chargers normally charge for the time as well as the number of KWHs added.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Crissa]

Be sure to let Energica know so they can correct their owner's manual. It says always use  AC charging when there is a choice.

Irrelevant to my statement.  Tesla says never to charge off of a generator, too.  Statements in the manual are to avoid liability, not specifically evidence based.

It's tough on a motorcycle battery to charge at 25 KW.

Evidence not provided.

-Crissa

[Sklith]

Evidence not provided.

Agreed. We can't expect all manufacturers to make the same mistake Nissan did with their Leaf batteries destroying themselves.