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[Richard230]

Here they go again. This time on LiveWires, no doubt backed up by a huge contingent of support equipment, including trucks with portable generators to recharge the bikes and technicians to repair them if anything goes wrong - and also maybe guys in trench coats with bags of money to pay off officials at the border crossings.  :
https://electricmotorcycles.news/an-epic-new-electric-motorcycle-series-starring-ewan-mcgregor-and-charley-boorman/

[Richard230]

Here is another story regarding this trip: https://electrek.co/2020/02/06/behind-the-scenes-look-at-ewan-mcgregors-9000-mile-livewire-electric-motorcycle-ride/

[Crissa]

Reminds me of the story of the couple that used a Zero across part of Africa, and eventually dumped their support car because while rare, electricity was more common than gasoline and parts.

-Crissa

[Alan Stewart]

Here they go again. This time on LiveWires, no doubt backed up by a huge contingent of support equipment, including trucks with portable generators to recharge the bikes and technicians to repair them if anything goes wrong - and also maybe guys in trench coats with bags of money to pay off officials at the border crossings.  :

Rivian electric trucks. Should be able to charge directly from the truck’s PTO. But then where are they going to charge the truck?

[Richard230]

Here they go again. This time on LiveWires, no doubt backed up by a huge contingent of support equipment, including trucks with portable generators to recharge the bikes and technicians to repair them if anything goes wrong - and also maybe guys in trench coats with bags of money to pay off officials at the border crossings.  :

Rivian electric trucks. Should be able to charge directly from the truck’s PTO. But then where are they going to charge the truck?

I saw one photo of two support trucks that seemed to have a large gasoline generator in the back.

[NEW2elec]

Fully Charged did an interview with Charlie and one very interesting tid bit is they were also accompanied by a company who was installing charge stations ( about every hundred miles) all along their route so that others can make the same trip on electric motorcycles.

Like an electric Johnny Appleseed.

[Fred]

I watched the first couple of episodes. Very suspicious how they dismissed the Zero DSR that they test rode and mentioned that current electric bikes had about 75 miles of range. Then they rode the LiveWire and had it converted (by HD) to "adventure bike" spec. A quick check shows a significantly higher range for the DSR with power tank compared to the LW. My calculation are 39% higher for city riding and 73% higher for combined use. Generally a far better choice than the LiveWire. I suspect HD may have paid a fair bit towards the production / charging stations, etc.

[Crissa]

I don't think Harley paid for the stations, but yes, they clearly don't know their stuff about Zeros.  Very irresponsible.

-Crissa

[MVetter]

A quick check shows a significantly higher range for the DSR with power tank compared to the LW. My calculation are 39% higher for city riding and 73% higher for combined use. Generally a far better choice than the LiveWire.

What is your math?

[Fred]

A quick check shows a significantly higher range for the DSR with power tank compared to the LW. My calculation are 39% higher for city riding and 73% higher for combined use. Generally a far better choice than the LiveWire.

What is your math?

I took the manufacturer quoted ranges for city ranges and for combined use. This will only ever give a rough guide, but the Zero clearly has more range.

Zero DSR (with power tank)
   city 204 miles - from https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/model/zero-dsr
   combined 153 miles
Harley LiveWire
    city 146 miles - from https://www.harley-davidson.com/gb/en/motorcycles/livewire.html
    combined 88 miles - from https://electrek.co/2019/03/06/harley-davidson-updates-livewire-specs/

[princec]

Real-world riding of both of those suggests an actual typical range exactly half of the claimed city range: Zeros do 90 ish, the LW does 70. (Source: various youtubers, and Bike magazine)

Cas

[Crissa]

'Real world' aka you drive on a different mix of roads, fast.

I get 80-90 miles on my Zero.

-Crissa

[MVetter]

I took the manufacturer quoted ranges for city ranges and for combined use. This will only ever give a rough guide, but the Zero clearly has more range.

Zero DSR (with power tank)
   city 204 miles - from https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/model/zero-dsr
   combined 153 miles
Harley LiveWire
    city 146 miles - from https://www.harley-davidson.com/gb/en/motorcycles/livewire.html
    combined 88 miles - from https://electrek.co/2019/03/06/harley-davidson-updates-livewire-specs/

Having experience on both the DSR and the LiveWire I can promise you that H-D undersold the range specs on their bike. They also didn't inflate their battery numbers and in fact undersold those as well. I suspect that if H-D used the same formulas as Zero to market their battery numbers it would be well over 17kWh, but marketed as 13 and change. A Zero's 18kWh (14.4 + 3.6) is read, by the bikes, as 142.5Ah at a nominal voltage of 102vdc. 142.5Ah x 102V = 14535Wh aka 14.5kWh. Not as massive of a difference.

[DonTom]

Having experience on both the DSR and the LiveWire I can promise you that H-D undersold the range specs on their bike. They also didn't inflate their battery numbers and in fact undersold those as well. I suspect that if H-D used the same formulas as Zero to market their battery numbers it would be well over 17kWh, but marketed as 13 and change. A Zero's 18kWh (14.4 + 3.6) is read, by the bikes, as 142.5Ah at a nominal voltage of 102vdc. 142.5Ah x 102V = 14535Wh aka 14.5kWh. Not as massive of a difference.

Did I hear somewhere at the LW is totally dead at 0% SOC? No "reserve" at all?   If so, that can make it seem as it has more range than the other bikes that keep on running at 0% SOC.

-Don- Auburn, CA

[princec]

Apparently it also gives 100% acceleration right up to that point too, so they're clearly restricting its output to ensure that it's consistent to ride from 100% to 0%, which is a very good thing.

Cas