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EsseEsse

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« on: December 16, 2022, 10:33:23 AM »

This part of the forum has been dead for a while, so I thought I’d mention the three (OK, two and a fraction) ways to get exposure to the largest players in the high-performance electric motorcycle industry. Feel free to add information about exposure to other brands.

Livewire: The first company is obviously Livewire (LVWR). Harley Davidson spun its Liveware division into a SPAC earlier this year. Livewire sells full-sized motorcycles under its own brand and the STACYC brand of balance bikes. In fact, Livewire generates three times as much revenue from STACYC bikes as Livewire bikes.

  • Livewire’s full-sized bikes are produced under a contract manufacturing agreement with Harley Davidson, which makes them at the big plant in York, PA. Livewire makes STACYC bikes through assemblers in Taiwan.

    Livewire’s gross margins hover around zero, so after operating expenses the company is losing a ton of money. On the other hand, Livewire has bucketfuls of cash after the SPAC merger.

    Livewire is the only “pure play” exposure to the EV sector, though as noted most of that exposure is mostly to the sub-highway bike segment of the market.

    Since Harley retains a near-90% ownership of Livewire, you can get indirect exposure to Livewire through Harley Davidson (HOG), though the investment is a tiny fraction of HOG’s total value.
Energica: After a tender offer in Italy earlier this year, around 70% of Energica is owned by publicly-traded Ideanomics (IDEX). Energica makes only the Energica motorcycles, though it is working on adapting its technology to other applications like boats and tractors and was thinking about entering the smaller-bike market. The other 30 or so percent of Energica is owned by Livia Cevolini, her family, and early investors.

  • Financial information on Energica is more difficult to get than it is for Livewire and that will continue as Ideanomics will probably not give detailed results on the company. Prior to the merger, Energica had a similar profit story as Livewire: Gross margins near zero, and the company producing losses as a result. For the nine months to September 30, Energica had revenues of $8.8 mm and a loss, also of $8.8 mm. Unlike Livewire, Energica manufactures its own bikes and many of the components.

    Energica’s new parent company, Ideanomics, seeks to become a conglomerate of EV and related businesses.  After investing heavily in the China EV market (and losing all of it), Ideanomics is now comprised primarily of a company that retrofits vehicles to hydrogen fuel cells or battery electric called US Hybrid, an electric tractor company called Solectrac, and WAVE, which is developing wireless charging for large trucks. Energica is another part of the conglomerate, though it has a separate shareholder agreement and management structure.

    All of Ideanomics’ businesses operate at a loss (including a couple of unrelated businesses like a title-search company), and the loss for the nine months was more than $100 mm.  Ideanomics is also liquidity-constrained and faces substantial dilution in the near future. After various writedowns and considering the stock price, the Energica investment makes up the majority of the company’s value, though how much of that value accrues to common shareholders is a fair question.
Zero: Zero motorcycles is private. But in its most recently announced round of funding, Zero disclosed that two public companies had invested. Polaris (PII) and Hero Motorcorp (On India’s national stock exchange) both participated in the round. Zero did not disclose how much each invested, but the entire round was only $107 mm, so the amounts are small in comparison to the companies that made the commitment.

  • Because it is private, there is little known about Zero's financials other than the company has delivered approximately 20,000 bikes since its inception.

    Polaris owns the Indian and defunct Victory motorcycle brands and purchased the electric motorcycle assets of Brammo when that blew up, briefly producing the Victor Empulse.

    Hero Motorcorp is among the largest manufacturers of two-wheeled vehicles in the world, focusing on scoots and smaller motorcycles. It just launched its first Electric scoot under its Vita brand.   
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2022, 04:31:44 AM »

Thanks for posting that motorcycle EV company information. I found it interesting and told me a number of things that I didn't know about H-D and Energica. But now i understand why the major motorcycle companies are not getting into the EV market. They have to show their governing boards a profit on the products that they manufacture and it sounds like making a profit selling high-end electric motorcycles is not something that you can depend on.  I was also surprised that if you want to make a profit on two wheeled EVs you can build  electric "balance" bikes for children. I guess that is why Kawasaki came out with a balance bike as their first EV attempt. Unless the Chinese start selling freeway-legal electric motorcycles in the U.S and Europe, it looks like these three companies are pretty much the only game in town.
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2022, 11:10:13 PM »

The big brands are coming, just a little more slowly. It's similar to cars and TSLA, where the major manufacturers waited to see if the market is real before getting into it. Many have already launched scoots, as you mentioned, but Kawasaki was all over EICMA this year with their electrification plans, Ducati replaced Energica as the supplier for EMoto in Europe, Honda has plans to introduce 10 electric brands by 2025, including some freeway-scale models, etc.

It's hard to make a buck in the big motorcycle business whether it's ICE or EV. Harley, which gets premium pricing because of their successful branding over the years, only runs at 10ish percent profit margins and they shipped 10 times as many bikes last year as Zero, Livewire, and Energica have shipped cumulatively since they started!  So yeah, it makes all the sense in the world that companies are looking at all those millions and millions of smaller scoots that are the default means of transportation in much of Asia and focusing on that market first.
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2022, 04:03:24 AM »

You always go where the money is, especially if you are a publicly-traded corporation.
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2023, 09:11:21 AM »

Be on the look out for a new symbol on Nasdaq.  DMN as in damn they aren't dead yet. As Damon gets set to merge with Inpixon for a greater greener tomorrow.
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2023, 11:55:21 AM »

The reverse merger is literally a death knell made out of desperation. Any financial analyst will tell you the same.
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2023, 06:46:51 PM »

"There's  a big difference between mostly dead and all dead"  Miracle Max

So how great was the 25 for 1 reverse stock split from IDEX ?

Not quite blue chip status, huh?
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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2023, 07:41:33 PM »

From post 1   " ways to get exposure to the largest players in the high-performance electric motorcycle industry. Feel free to add information about exposure to other brands."

There is a whole sub section on here for Damon.  https://techbullion.com/revving-up-the-future-of-motorcycling-damon-motors-and-inpixon-merge-with-sights-set-on-nasdaq/         Sometimes thigs are almost like made up  from the article "Following this, Damon Motors will join forces with Grafiti Holding through a merger. This step, conducted under a statutory plan of arrangement in British Columbia, will lead to the creation of a new, wholly-owned entity under Grafiti Holding."   ?graphiti?  like stuff painted on walls that has to get removed or covered up.

Has anyone noticed that Royal Enfield has bought into Stark?  Bajaj auto owns 49% of ktm and may own some of Perier mobility hence really be a majority player.  This is for KTM Husqvarna and Gas Gas.  It seems the Triumph racing motocross bike in the making (ice) is in part at least using components form the ktm group, not sure how that plays in the ownership or ability to get exposure via a stock purchace.

My guess it this sector is not a dividend play in the stock market.
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2023, 01:43:39 PM »

"There's  a big difference between mostly dead and all dead"  Miracle Max

So how great was the 25 for 1 reverse stock split from IDEX ?

Not quite blue chip status, huh?

It appears to be going ok. Energica still exists, is producing industry-leading bikes, and customers are getting consistent deliveries. Thanks for asking though. How's that vaporware taste?

edit- like sourdough maybe?
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2023, 10:24:43 AM »

Hey!!  Don't be dissin the sourdough.  Makes some tasty bread and pizza crust.

The flavor he's experiencing is probably more yeast infection, or maybe cheezy taint.

Aaron
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2023, 09:18:33 PM »

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