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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Zero is offering a touring seat.
« on: October 27, 2018, 01:14:18 PM »
Now please offer more of a touring moto. My wallet is open.
+1

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I read all this and tweeked mine and got the little gap back from my last wheel removal, so thanks guys for that.
TheGap two things to check as well are the sprocket "true" and wheel "true".
With the bike jacked up and off of course, hold a pencil or other straight object perpendicular to the swing arm so that it just touches the edge of the sprocket.  Now spin the wheel while holding the pencil steady against the swing arm and see if it rubs in some areas and not others.
Mine had a tiny wobble but I got my belt riding correctly.  A warped sprocket will never align properly.
Do the same thing on the right side but hold the pencil to the wheel rim and check the same thing to see if the wheel is out of true.

If it is all true still than you can adjust the belt tension. Loosen the axle nut, and the tension bolt"s front lock nut.  Mine took a 13mm wrench.
It is amazing how very little you have to turn the tension bolt to get quite a change in belt tension.
For your problem you will want your right side (brake side) to be slightly and I mean slightly forward.
The belt rubbing the sprocket shoulder isn't good but the belt sliding off to the inside of the wheel is very bad.
Be sure to spin the wheel a few times to see where the belt will ride on the sprocket.

When you tighten the locking nut back down its best to have two 13mm wrenches to hold the tension bolt still while turning the locking nut otherwise you'll have to watch and see if it moves and readjust it if it does.

Like Richard said when you torque the axle nut it may move a little so spin the wheel a few more times to see if it changes too much before lowering it.
Sort safe test ride to check it under load and with any luck you got it.
Thanks for the info but it will probably be more useful to future readers than me (... which means it's still VERY useful) because I don't do any work on my bike myself and let the shop take care of it.

I now have the confirmation I need that this alignment is far from optimal and needs to be fixed.
And if need be I can point the shop to this thread if they have any doubts about alignment or procedure.
... waves to EcoMobiel shop  8)

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What ashnazg said, you can just keep your rear break engaged a little to prevent you from rolling back while you ease the throttle open.
Also I clearly remember reading somewhere (in my Zero's manual or somewhere on this forum??) that a powered stop like you've suggested can be damaging to the electric motor in the long run.

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Like previously mentioned, when taking the chamfered side into account I don’t see any clearance between the belt and the shouldered side of the rear sprocket (see “Belt inside view.jpg”).

Even some wear traces on the belt show this when you compare the pictures with the two sides of the belt (see “Belt side views.jpg”, bottom one is the shouldered side).

So all in all I do think I’ll need to get more clearance.
What do you guys think?

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That spacing looks OK to me.  My feeling is that as long as you have some distance between the edge of the belt and the cog wheel flange that does not vary when the wheel is rotated, that should be good enough.  My belt tension was set right at the upper limit of tension when it came from the factory and it made noticeable groaning at low speeds when new.  However, after about 500 miles the groaning slowly disappeared.  Either that or I got  used to the noise.  ::)
There's an edge ... but I don't see any spacing. Certainly not when keeping in mind that the lip is slightly chamfered (see exaggerated picture I've attached).

I'm at around 13000km (~8000miles) and I still hear the groaning at any speed faster than turtle.
Whenever there's any real torque exercised on the rear sprocket I hear the belt groaning and vibrating

It's the last real annoyance I have from my zero ... the fact that, even for an electric motorcycle, it still makes too much noise


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Thanks for all the great tips.
With the odometer at about 13000km (and thus my next scheduled maintenance) I'm going to provide the info from this thread to the shop where I've bought my bike.

Since day 1 when I got my bike I've made that remark to my original dealer. I've also asked another garage shop (where I changed my tires) to take a look at it and see if they could do something about it ... but it always remained the same and the belt always makes an annoying groaning sound.


For reference I've attached a picture of how it looks now.

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The belt of my bike is currently firmly rubbing the shouldered side of the rear sprocket.

I've found this helpful post which touched the exact topic in my question and where Doctorbass gave an excellent response in his last paragraph:
If your belt is too close to the rear sproket shoulder, then you can remove the motor sproket and remove one of the spacer behind it. this is about 1.5mm thick and there is 3 of these . Then your belt should be  1.5mm far from teh rear sproket shoulder.


I have one more question though and rather than necroing a thread from 2014 I thought I'd better start a new post.
--> does this fix still apply for the Zero 2017 SR?

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Dropped Bikes
« on: February 14, 2018, 04:07:01 AM »
I dropped my Zero SR 2017 only once so far. See 5s fragment from my helmet camera  8)
Sorry for the extremely poor quality ... I had to get it under 600kB to be able to attach it.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Side bags
« on: February 14, 2018, 01:42:50 AM »
I also have the soft bags I linked in the second post of this thread. I only use them when I need the additional storage (not often) but I have the same experience as brose.
If you don't have a rack, try to tie them as high as possible because they tend to lean inwards when loaded.

On a zero you can get a little more security on the bags (read: against stealing the bags themselves, not talking about the content) since you can place one or both of the Velcro straps (that should go over the saddle) under the saddle. Trust me when I say that it's a bitch to try and remove them when you don't have the tools at hand to remove the saddle also.
... A moot pointy of course if you want the bags to be easily removable.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Side bags
« on: February 13, 2018, 03:46:54 AM »

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: unable to change Custom mode.
« on: February 12, 2018, 04:29:02 PM »
Kind of makes you wonder what these various Zero software and firmware "updates" are actually supposed to do.   ???
Although that's hardly ever done in the automobile/motorcycle sector it would be nice if they publicized a release note with the updates.
Perhaps together with a chapter "known issues".

That info can be a real treasure trove for troubleshooting ... especially for early adopters.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Stand alone J1772 signalling circuit
« on: February 12, 2018, 04:14:43 PM »
Thanks for the tips togo.

I heard it's bad manners to raise a thread back from the dead so I won't reply to one from 2015 with "Yes, I'm interested!"   ;D
The total lack of replies to Erasmo's post also speaks volumes.

The instructables article is excellent and provides me the clues that it's not that hard and I'm on the right track.
I said clues because the part containing the info I'm looking for, there's written "I decided to buy the version that comes with a key to start/stop charging" ... it's a ready made component. Doh'
But there's also cheaper set referenced in the article: https://www.laadkabelfabriek.nl/product/verloop-type-2-naar-schuko-contrastekker-met-ontgrendeling/

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Stand alone J1772 signalling circuit
« on: February 12, 2018, 03:49:45 AM »
Hi,

Maybe this has already been asked/answered (I doubt I’m the first one) but couldn’t find anything relevant, so I’m sorry if this is a redundant post.

At my workplace they’re going to install charge stations, which is great news. Also, at several malls around my neighbourhood I’ve found free charge stations.
However, I don’t have a charge tank and all those stations use the European Type 2 plug aka Mennekes plug aka VDE-AR-E 2623-2-2 .
Zero does offer this or this solution but an SAE J1772 is the wrong type of connector for my region and for those prices I can get A LOT of kilometres just from payed charging at home (not to mention I’d still have to buy a cable too).

Only ready made after market solution I’ve found is this adapter cable … but again, for a little under €230 I can buy a LOT of electricity (and thus kilometers) at my place. So, to get a cheaper electric fix, I’m thinking to put my DIY skills to the test and want to make the same cable myself.


I’ve found a ‘relatively’ cheap Type 2 connector here.
Electrical connections from PE, N and L1 (don’t need L2 or L3) to C13 is straightforward.
Signalling used on the Mennekes plug is exactly the same as for the J1772 plug (see this Wiki and its references).
Proximity Pilot is easy enough to understand and rather irrelevant if I’m only using the onboard charger.


Now ...

The Control Pilot on the other hand is not yet completely clear to me.
It would seem I can build the whole thing out of only a few passive components.
Since I'm not using the latch for PP I can re-purpose it to tell the EVSE to switch from connected (State B) to charging (State C) and vice versa.
And I can ignore the whole duty cycle thing because I'm using the lowest rating anyway.
This all seems a bit too easy and I feel I'm missing something which could throw a spanner in the works … anyone else has any experience with this?

For the end result I’d like to integrate the entire circuit in the handle (with a few additional indicators and safety mechanisms).

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Zero 2018SR vs. 2017 Honda Fireblade
« on: February 01, 2018, 04:39:16 AM »
[...] however they can also be so loud that it doesnt matter anyway.
That and the amount of dinojuice it requires to function are but two of the reasons why it's on the opposite side of the spectrum compared to a Zero  :)

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Zero 2018SR vs. 2017 Honda Fireblade
« on: February 01, 2018, 02:27:30 AM »
To me, lack of vibration is a major strength of electrics. My Zero may be the first motorcycle I've ever owned that doesn't make my hands numb.
Yeah, that's also one of my observations.

I've read somewhere that the no vibration thing is also one of the upsides of riding a Boss Hoss.
(A quick google search gave this from Wikipedia: "Boss Hoss bikes and trikes are noted not only for their enormous power and size but also for their low vibration")

But with comparing a Zero with a Boss Hoss, I doubt you can get any further on the opposite sides of the spectrum ... unless you leave the motorcycle category.  ;D

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