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Messages - gregoryjward

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This is little better than a guess, but it sounds like there is some issue with the motor's encoder/sensor connection.  See the unofficial Zero manual https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Z-Force_Motor.  There are also some helpful hints about aligning the motor after reinstallation.  The main thing I'm suggesting is that you double-check all your wiring connections are firm and have the proper polarity.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Repairing
« on: August 31, 2018, 11:00:56 PM »

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Well, I think I may have resolved the issue.  One of the two batteries needed to have its BMS reset.  (See https://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual#BMS_Reset.)  This seems to have restored normal charging behavior and indicators.

It's a shame that Zero tech support wouldn't offer me this hint, nor would either of the service centers I talked to.  I guess they have liability issues or something, but it's such a simple solution and probably a common problem as well.  You shouldn't have to take your bike in over something so trivial as pressing a reset button for a few seconds.  Sheesh!

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Thanks for your input, everyone.

During charging, my light is normally on for about a second and off for about a second.  When it gets near fully charged (or is in cell balancing, I can't tell) it goes to steady green.  I have verified this behavior by videotaping the charge process twice, each time with just one battery installed in the front slot.

I have only seen the erratic charge light behavior with both batteries installed, so I'm wondering if it might be a connector issue on the back battery slot.  I should try charging one battery in the back slot to test that, though it's not the recommended configuration.

I will try charging both together again this weekend and record that to see if the behavior comes back.

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Thanks for your reply.  In my case, the light doesn't change blinking rates during charge.  It's either blinking steadily at the same (roughly 1 Hz) rate, or it is steadily on, or at least that was what I noticed in the past.  It seemed before that the top-off period was marked by the same steady blinking.

I only recently noticed this behavior where the light is "mostly steady" with erratic, intermittent off states.  It does not appear normal to me, which is why I'm asking what *is* normal.  I may try contacting Zero about it, but it would be great to hear more owners' experiences.

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I have recently noticed that after the regular, slow-blinking stage of active charging, my 2013 XU goes into a stage where the green charge light is neither steady nor blinking, but is mostly on with occasional, random moments where it flashes off.  Has anyone seen this behavior?  Does it mean anything, or is it possibly a sign of trouble?  The app says that the bike is still charging, albeit at a slower rate.  Eventually, I think the light will shift to a steady green, when the chargers are off and the BMS is doing cell balancing.  Is my bike the only one that acts this way?

Thanks.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Zero DS/R or BMW C Evolution?
« on: June 19, 2018, 03:04:52 AM »
I test-rode the BMW C Evolution scooter when I was on a trip in Austria a couple of years ago.  I found it to be really awkward.  Decent acceleration, but wobbly steering and just never felt stable on it.  Maybe it's a scooter thing.  Riding a Zero is a whole lot more fun, speaking as a 2013 XU owner.  That's my two cents.

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Hi Markus,

The main maintenance you'll need is tires and brake pads as they wear out.  If you're not used to motorcycles, you'll be shocked to learn that 6000-8000 miles is doing pretty well for tire wear before you need to replace.  It's not a do-it-yourself operation for me at least, although I could probably handle brake pad replacement if I applied myself.

If you get an FXS with removable battery/batteries, it still weighs over 200 lbs without batteries installed.  You need two buff guys to lift it into a van, based on my experience.  You shouldn't have any leaks with it on its side, because the hydraulic brake fluid is in sealed reservoirs.  There are no other fluids on the bike.

Seat height is about 33 inches according to the specs <http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-fxs/>, and the handlebars are probably another 10 inches above that.  The mirrors stick out pretty far to each side, and ride above the handlebars as well, so a lean-to would need to be pretty wide at the top to work.  You can also get a motorcycle cover, which I would recommend in any case.

Bringing the battery/batteries indoors is a good idea for cold weather.  I bought an outboard charger and connector, which makes it all a little more flexible.

-Greg

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It's a sad conclusion, but it sounds like the right one under the circumstances.  No sense throwing good money after bad -- not to mention the effort involved!

Wishing you better luck with your next bike.

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What a tragedy.  Seems so unfair to have ridden it only 1000 mi.  You must have gotten a good deal on the bike if the repair costs are so unfavorable... not that it's much consolation.

Is the theory that the chargers went bad and somehow drained the cells?

I don't suppose there's anyone out there selling batteries off a wrecked 2013 FX or XU?  (You may even be able to search years before and after if the cell compliment didn't change by swapping the BMS heads.)

If it's really for scrap, maybe I can help you recoup something from your (shippable) spare parts.

Really sorry to hear in any event.

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Seems unlikely to me that both batteries would develop faults at the same time.  I don't see how a bad surge protector would lead to that.  Most battery issues (I've heard) relate to the BMS rather than the cells themselves, and I believe you *can* get a replacement BMS for the 2013 X-platform from Zero.  Have you contacted their parts office?  The other benefit being they aren't too heavy to mail.  I am not sure how difficult they are to replace, though.  I guess you could get an idea by removing one of them, but be careful about high voltage inside.

I would try to eliminate other possible causes before messing with the batteries in any case.  Where is the central controller in the S wiring diagram you sent?  Looks to me like the schematic doesn't cover that part -- it just shows connector MBB1 and MBB2 (and CCU) going somewhere.

I wouldn't scrap the bike for parts until you're sure it's not worth fixing.

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I'm not sure how similar the 2016 FX is to the 2013 XU, but the following (unofficial) wiring schematic may offer some clues:

https://zeromanual.com/index.php/File:2016_FX_Wiring_1-1-preview.png

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The 2013 XU is similar in most respects to the 2013 FX, so you might search on that.  I think the electronics (except for the inverter that drives the motor) are mostly the same.
As I recall, the batteries and therefore the charger should be somewhere between 90 and 110 VDC in operation.  If your charger is only putting out 40V, that's not enough to do anything.  It also means the batteries aren't engaged.
I've heard that the DC-DC converter, which changes the ~100VDC to 14VDC for the lights and electronics, sometimes blows a fuse or goes bad.  Did you check the other fuses referred to on the FB post?  If there's no 14VDC, then a lot of stuff wouldn't work.  However, if your batteries never engage their relays, then nothing is going to the DC-DC converter, anyway.
I don't suppose you live in the SF area?  I am one of the two 2013 XU's I know of in the East Bay.

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I am not sure from your post if your XU has one battery or two.  My 2013 XU has two batteries installed.
I took some measurements, just to get an idea of what "normal" is, but I'm not sure this will be much help.  One battery measures 7.2 volts or so across its main terminals when it's off the bike, and the other measures nearly zero (about 0.007 volts).  I have no idea why the two would be different, or what it means, if anything.  I don't think you should expect to measure a high voltage across the battery terminals unless the relay is engaged -- meaning it's on the bike and switched on.
My guess is that something could be wrong with the controller that operates the relays and the display.  If removing both batteries and letting it sit for a while doesn't reset it, then I'm not sure what would, or if it needs to go to the shop.
I wouldn't think your batteries were the problem.  The LEDs on the BMS don't light unless they are switched on and/or charging.
Are you hearing the battery relays (loud simultaneous clicks from both batteries), or the charger relay (two softer clicks in succession coming from the motorcycle)?

See also the recent attached FB post from Zero Motorcycles group.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: unable to change Custom mode.
« on: December 10, 2017, 08:21:36 AM »
Having the same problem since the firmware update on my 2013 XU.  I'm on iOS, so not sure if there's any way to downgrade to a previous release of the app.

I called Zero's technical support and the guy on the other end said he had never heard of this issue, but was going to look into it.  That was over a month ago….

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