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Tech => Parts, Mods And Hacks => Topic started by: Rano on January 21, 2014, 11:31:54 AM

Title: Sevcon GEn4 Size4 and stronger motor for Enertia Plus
Post by: Rano on January 21, 2014, 11:31:54 AM
Hello

did you already test any modifications to the power train of the enertia plus?

From my point of view, the size 2 really limits the current at 250 amps, thus the size 4 could help

The perm 120 is not that powerfull here. I suppose the perm 150 does not fit into the frame, maybe some engine like this could help?http://www.ev-power.com.au/-SEVCON-Motor-Controllers-.html (http://www.ev-power.com.au/-SEVCON-Motor-Controllers-.html)

In case of any experience, or maybe you have some parts to sell, pls contact me. I really would like to get the rubber burning (without a match)  8). Or at least, accelerate in 3 seconds to 50 km/h.

- Rano
Title: Re: Sevcon GEn4 Size4 and stronger motor for Enertia Plus
Post by: NoiseBoy on January 21, 2014, 06:41:40 PM
The sevcons are very difficult to program if you arent an OEM so I would suggest either selling up and buying a more powerful bike or ditch the Sevcon and try something different like a Kelly.  You would have to investigate how the BMS etc. communicates with the controller to see if it is possible.
Title: Re: Sevcon GEn4 Size4 and stronger motor for Enertia Plus
Post by: frodus on January 21, 2014, 11:12:31 PM
Sevcon won't work with the stock PMS120 used on Enertia. They use a completely different and incompatible encoder (SPI). You'd have to convert over to another encoder to work with anything besides the PG Drives Sigmadrive, or find another larger sigmadrive/compatible controller.
Title: Re: Sevcon GEn4 Size4 and stronger motor for Enertia Plus
Post by: Rano on January 22, 2014, 02:08:40 AM
Sevcon won't work with the stock PMS120 used on Enertia. They use a completely different and incompatible encoder (SPI). You'd have to convert over to another encoder to work with anything besides the PG Drives Sigmadrive, or find another larger sigmadrive/compatible controller.

This I don´t understand. Brammo uses a Sevcon Gen4 Size 2 together with PMS 120. And - just by reading the data sheet - the Size 4 should have the same software and hardware compared to the Size 2 (except of course more power). Why should a Size 4 not work?
Title: Re: Sevcon GEn4 Size4 and stronger motor for Enertia Plus
Post by: frodus on January 22, 2014, 03:39:34 AM
Sorry, I thought they were still using PMS120 + PG Drives, not sevcon.

Also, I didn't think that Brammo was using Perm motors anymore. If they are, then they've ordered a different encoder to work with Sevcon.
Title: Re: Sevcon GEn4 Size4 and stronger motor for Enertia Plus
Post by: protomech on January 22, 2014, 03:44:08 AM
Enertia Plus uses PMS126 .. not sure if that uses a different encoder.
Title: Re: Sevcon GEn4 Size4 and stronger motor for Enertia Plus
Post by: frodus on January 22, 2014, 06:51:38 AM
I think it has to be something different than the original PMS120's. According to the controller manuals....Sevcon doesn't use the SPI type encoder interface. A/B, UVW and Sin/Cos is all they offer in the Gen4 model line, unless for some reason its custom.
Title: Re: Sevcon GEn4 Size4 and stronger motor for Enertia Plus
Post by: Rano on January 22, 2014, 11:50:00 AM
At Heinzmann is stated, that the pms 120 .. 156 are preadjusted for sevcon. So, it should work from stock (and it works  ;))

But I cannot find a data sheet of pms 126 - and you are right, this one is inside the enertia plus.

Know knowing ´bout the motor positon system, the Motenergy ME1114 Brushless Motor 72V 24kW has a sin/cos positioning systen, thus it should work with sevcon? Ok, I can give the answer to myself, just read the webside.

Is it easily possilbe to download a dcf file (or what ever the name is) from a size2 and upload it to a size4?
Title: Re: Sevcon GEn4 Size4 and stronger motor for Enertia Plus
Post by: BSDThw on January 23, 2014, 12:29:33 AM
Take care Sin-Cos encoder is a special option you need to order this!

You will also find the manual (Sevcon) in the NET but it is a bit outdated!
Title: Re: Sevcon GEn4 Size4 and stronger motor for Enertia Plus
Post by: Electric Cowboy on January 24, 2014, 01:31:10 AM
throw a size 6 in it :)