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Hello
I am planning to buy a Zero S from 2020 and I want to extract the logs from it to check for errors, as well as the state of health of the battery. I am on Android.
On my 2016 FXS, I use an old version of the Zero App because newer versions are no longer fully compatible.
On this 2020 Zero S, I did a test with version 2.1.3 (391) of the Zero App and a phone running Android 8. When I start extracting the logs, it never ends. The application displays a download percentage that exceeds 100% !! I stopped in the 500%, but the logs do not arrive.

My question is :
What version of the Zero App (and possibly Android, but I don't think that's most important) are you using to pull logs from your 2020 Zeros (S,SR,DS,DSR,FX,FXS) ?

My Zero is a 2016 FXS with 2 battery packs. I have kept the original firmware until July 2021. It was :
   Firmware rev.      47
   Board rev.         3
But in July 2021, the controller died, and has been replaced. At the same time, they made a firmware upgrade. The new one is:
   Firmware rev.      56
   Board rev.         3
They also changed some internal parameters of the bike.
Since this intervention, I get strange behaviour of the SOC (mainly decreasing and rising inconsistently, since it now depends mainly on the battery voltage, whereas with the old firmware it was more clever and it gave pretty good estimations of the SOC), and the range has decreased.
I looked  at the logs in detail, and I noticed this strange thing.

When I key the bike on, there are two lines of this kind that appear in the log. They apparently give information about the two battery packs. I have kept all the log files of my bike, and for all the logs before the intervention, the two lines show very close values. Here is an example:
   Module 00 Closing Contactor  vmod: 109.052V, maxsys: 109.049V, minsys: 108.938V, diff: 0.111V, vcap: 96.562V, prechg: 89%
   Module 01 Closing Contactor  vmod: 108.916V, maxsys: 109.049V, minsys: 108.938V, diff: 0.111V, vcap: 96.562V, prechg: 89%
Here is another example, before the intervention :
   Module 00 Closing Contactor  vmod: 102.946V, maxsys: 102.985V, minsys: 102.926V, diff: 0.059V, vcap: 91.125V, prechg: 89%
   Module 01 Closing Contactor  vmod: 102.990V, maxsys: 102.985V, minsys: 102.926V, diff: 0.059V, vcap: 91.125V, prechg: 88%

But since the intervention, the two lines always show very different values for vcap and prechg. Here is an example:
   Module 00 Closing Contactor  vmod: 105.837V, maxsys: 105.886V, minsys: 105.837V, diff: 0.049V, vcap: 93.312V, prechg: 88%
   Module 01 Closing Contactor  vmod: 105.880V, maxsys: 105.891V, minsys: 105.880V, diff: 0.011V, vcap: 105.500V, prechg: 100%
Another example:
   Module 00 Closing Contactor  vmod: 101.966V, maxsys: 101.979V, minsys: 101.966V, diff: 0.013V, vcap: 90.562V, prechg: 89%
   Module 01 Closing Contactor  vmod: 101.973V, maxsys: 102.025V, minsys: 101.973V, diff: 0.052V, vcap: 101.625V, prechg: 100%

I wonder if something was not badly reprogrammed during the intervention.
Some questions:
1) What are the values of vcap and prechg representative of ?
2) By the way, same question for vmod (I assume the present module voltage?), maxsys, minsys ?
3) Can it be related with the strange behavior of the SOC ?
4) Is someone understanding what happened ?
5) If someone has a modular FXS or FX, I would like to know if they have the same strange logs as me
 
Thanks for reading this long message

Hello,

My 2016 FXS was running fine until these days. Some days ago I have charged the bike during night using the standard cord and a manual timer. The bike charged from 58% to 73% in 1h 30min. Until there all seemed OK.

But when I tried to use the bike the day after, the bike did not start.
1) When keying on the bike: no "click". After 1min 30s the headlight turns off and the screen starts flashing.
2) When I plug in the charging cord: no "click". After 1min 30s the screen starts flashing.

I have written a page with much more details (MBB log, errors on dash, videos showing the dash and the BMS LEDs in both above cases): https://bit.ly/FXSbreakdown

I am looking for a way to diagnose the problem, and, if possible, to solve it myself in order to save time (I am afraid that if I take the bike to the dealership, there will be weeks of downtime...)

Thank you in advance for your expert advice!

If we could share our firmware versions, and link these data with the state of the bike (running well, having some particular problem), we could answer some questions such as
- Is somebody using the firmware that I plan to install without any problem?
- I have a problem. Is it correlated with the firmware version or not?
- Who is using the same firmware / bike as me?
- And many other...

We can start with a Google Sheet. And if we find a better solution later, we could switch to that solution.
http://bit.ly/2mhaxIP

Please use this thread only to discuss about this data sharing, but not to report your various problems with your bike.
You can discuss the problems with your bike elsewhere, and give a link to that discussion inside the spreadsheet.

Hello,

I have some suggestions and a question about chargers.
 
First, my bike is a FXS 2016 with 6.5 kWh (in two 3.3 kWh packs).
Here, in Europe, the usual domestic plugs are 220V / 16A (so they can deliver about 3.5 kW). 
Up to know, I have always charged using  the onboard charger (720W), and most of the time I am limiting the charge to 80% using a timer. Indeed, most of my daily usage is less than 40 kms, and I only charge to 100% when I know that I could need more range.

But in some cases I would need to fast charge in order to increase my range.

For me, the perfect charger would be a mobile one (not fixed to the bike) since I would only use it occasionally. I would bring it in the top case when needed. A weight around 5 kgs or less would be fine.
I would use it on domestic plugs available everywhere (no need to search dedicated plugs which are still uncommon here).
A power around 3.3 kW would be great: it would draw 16A max on the domestic plug.
It could be used together with the onboard charger (using a domestic plug from another circuit) and give a full charge in about 1h35min.
But in case the available domestic plug is weak and does not allow to draw 16A, it would be nice to have a switch on the charger to reduce the power (ideally, a 3-positions switch to choose from 1.1kW, 2.2kW, 3.3kW, that would give a perfect range of solutions if adding the 0.72kW inboard charger).
Another nice feature would be to have a switch to choose between 100% charge and 80% charge.
Note that rather than working in constant power mode, it could work in CC-CV mode, with 3 switchable currents and 2 switchable end voltages.

It seems that there are already devices able to do that, but they need to be triggered in order to offer these functionalities.

I do not see anything that could be impossible, since Zero says in the manual of the bike that we can use simultaneously up to 4 Zero quick 1kW chargers (from the manual: "The scalable quick charging feature allows up to four supplemental accessory chargers (in addition to the existing integrated charger) to be connected to the motorcycle").

That would be great to have a charger of this kind (either made by Zero, or with Zero's agreement). For sure it would interest many users.


That was for the suggestions. Now for the question:

Recent and more sophisticated chargers seem to use complex interaction with the bike (CANbus), and they exchange various information in order to optimize the charge.
On the fast charge connector of my Zero, there are only 4 wires. Obviously, the two big ones are for the power.
But what kind of information passes through the two central wires? Is it only an ON / OFF signal sent by the MBB to the charger, or is it more complex? Wiring diagram here if it can help.

I have a very occasional use of saddle bags and I wanted a cheap and simple solution to add some carrying volume.
You can search on internet for "SA-212 Komine Saddle Bag", and you will find this pair of bags for less than 40€.
If they are not sold with the bags, you should add a pair of plastic sheets that can be put at the bottom of the bags and make them more rigid (but I did not put them in place in the pictures thereafter).
A zip can extend each bag to a volume of 29 liters.
To mount the bags for the first time, since the documentation is in Chinese only, I used some youtube videos in order to understand how the straps should be positioned.
Once understood, it should take less than 10 minutes to put in place, and about 2 minutes to dismount.
You will not be able to have a passenger with these bags in place.
To save passenger seat, it would perhaps be possible to make a mount similar to that depicted in http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=7188
Here are 4 pictures, and you will find more pictures with better definition here.
 
 

Marseille et ses environs ont beau être la deuxième métropole de France, il n'existe pas de concessionnaire Zero à moins de 200 kms. Il y avait auparavant un concessionnaire Zero à Aix-en-Provence (à qui j'ai acheté ma moto), mais il a fermé début 2017.

Autrement dit: les possesseurs de Zero de la région prient pour ne pas avoir d'ennuis synonymes de grosse galère: le moindre pépin sérieux oblige à se procurer une remorque, faire un aller-retour de 400 kms pour déposer la moto à Montpellier ou à Cannes, et un deuxième aller-retour pour aller la chercher, soit 800 kms minimum pour n'importe quelle réparation sérieuse, en supposant que le problème soit résolu en une fois!
Et ceux qui voudraient acheter une Zero doivent certainement y renoncer pour la plupart.

Ce post a pour objectifs:
- d'essayer de regrouper la communauté des motards désireux de rouler en Zero dans l'aire de Marseille et ses environs, qu'ils soient déjà possesseurs d'une Zero, ou désireux d'en acquérir une,
- d'essayer de montrer qu'il y a un marché potentiel pour une concession Zero à Marseille ou à Aix,
- et pourquoi pas arriver à décider un concessionnaire intéressé par ce marché de franchir le pas. J'ai été en contact avec l'importateur européen de Zero aux Pays-Bas et ils cherchent aussi un concessionnaire afin de s'implanter dans la région, où il y a certainement un marché intéressant.

Bref, si vous êtes intéressé par Zero, et plus proche de Marseille que de Montpellier ou de Cannes, n'hésitez pas à vous manifester ici.

Gérard
13013 Marseille
Zero FXS 2016 11kW