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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: MajorMajor on January 11, 2017, 07:51:59 PM
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I need some help figuring out what happened and deciding what to do next.
First let me say, Oh. My. God.
That was terrifying.
I was accelerating hard to highway speeds when I suddenly got jerked forward hard and the bike slowed down rapidly.
Twisting the throttle did nothing but the lights and dash were still on.
I had to negotiate my way across several lanes of traffic to get to the shoulder all the while slowing down.
0/10 would not recommend.
I was sure my belt snapped but thinking back I would have expected to hear engine whine when turning the throttle.
However, the belt was fine.
After turning the switch on and off everything was back to normal. Except my top speed was severely reduced (just a hair above eco mode limit).
My SOC was a bit low at around 30-40% so that might be the reason for the limit later on though I'm not sure if this used to happen before.
Fun parts from the logs:
You can see that I was riding along and suddenly there are a bunch of SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame errors followed by me stopping and turning the switch on and off.
It actually looks the the sevcon turned off mid ride and when it turned back on there were even more errors.
07299 01/10/2017 14:04:07 Disarmed PackTemp: h 17C, l 16C, PackSOC: 69%, Vpack:106.124V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 18C, CtrlTemp: 12C, AmbTemp: 14C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 4295km
07300 01/10/2017 14:05:04 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Stopped mode to Running mode
07301 01/10/2017 14:05:04 DEBUG: Module mode Change Does Not Require Disconnect
07302 01/10/2017 14:05:07 Riding PackTemp: h 17C, l 16C, PackSOC: 69%, Vpack:106.070V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 18C, CtrlTemp: 12C, AmbTemp: 14C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 4295km
07303 01/10/2017 14:06:07 Riding PackTemp: h 17C, l 16C, PackSOC: 68%, Vpack:105.956V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 17C, CtrlTemp: 13C, AmbTemp: 14C, MotRPM: 145, Odo: 4295km
07304 01/10/2017 14:07:07 Riding PackTemp: h 17C, l 16C, PackSOC: 68%, Vpack:105.985V, MotAmps: -40, BattAmps: -9, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 20C, CtrlTemp: 14C, AmbTemp: 13C, MotRPM:1044, Odo: 4295km
07305 01/10/2017 14:08:07 Riding PackTemp: h 17C, l 16C, PackSOC: 68%, Vpack:105.779V, MotAmps: -40, BattAmps: -10, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 21C, CtrlTemp: 14C, AmbTemp: 13C, MotRPM:1205, Odo: 4296km
07306 01/10/2017 14:09:07 Riding PackTemp: h 17C, l 16C, PackSOC: 67%, Vpack:104.900V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 27C, CtrlTemp: 14C, AmbTemp: 13C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 4296km
07307 01/10/2017 14:10:07 Riding PackTemp: h 17C, l 17C, PackSOC: 66%, Vpack: 98.181V, MotAmps: 72, BattAmps: 97, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 28C, CtrlTemp: 15C, AmbTemp: 12C, MotRPM:4235, Odo: 4297km
07308 01/10/2017 14:10:07 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 375 A (72%), MinCell: 3497mV, MaxPackTemp: 17C
07309 01/10/2017 14:11:07 Riding PackTemp: h 17C, l 17C, PackSOC: 65%, Vpack:103.837V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 35C, CtrlTemp: 14C, AmbTemp: 12C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 4298km
07310 01/10/2017 14:11:07 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 485 A (93%), MinCell: 3704mV, MaxPackTemp: 17C
07311 01/10/2017 14:12:07 Riding PackTemp: h 18C, l 18C, PackSOC: 63%, Vpack: 95.193V, MotAmps: 74, BattAmps: 129, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 39C, CtrlTemp: 18C, AmbTemp: 12C, MotRPM:4876, Odo: 4299km
07312 01/10/2017 14:12:07 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 329 A (63%), MinCell: 3360mV, MaxPackTemp: 18C
07313 01/10/2017 14:13:03 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x5000, Error Reg: 0x40, Sevcon Error Code: 0x46C3, Data: 04 01 00, Unknown
07314 01/10/2017 14:13:04 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x0000, Error Reg: 0x00, Sevcon Error Code: 0x46C3, Data: 00 00 99, Unknown
07315 01/10/2017 14:13:04 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x5000, Error Reg: 0x40, Sevcon Error Code: 0x46C3, Data: 04 02 00, Unknown
07316 01/10/2017 14:13:04 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x0000, Error Reg: 0x00, Sevcon Error Code: 0x46C3, Data: 00 00 23, Unknown
07317 01/10/2017 14:13:04 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x5000, Error Reg: 0x40, Sevcon Error Code: 0x52C3, Data: 00 00 00, Unknown
07318 01/10/2017 14:13:04 Restarting Sevcon to clear cutout fault
07319 01/10/2017 14:13:04 Module 00 Opening Contactor vmod: 102.791V, batt curr: -37A
07320 01/10/2017 14:13:04 Module 01 Opening Contactor vmod: 102.775V, batt curr: -36A
07321 01/10/2017 14:13:04 Sevcon Turned Off
07322 01/10/2017 14:13:04 DEBUG: Sevcon Contactor Drive OFF
07323 01/10/2017 14:13:04 DEBUG: Module 00 Contactor is now Open
07324 01/10/2017 14:13:04 DEBUG: Module 01 Contactor is now Open
07325 01/10/2017 14:13:04 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x5000, Error Reg: 0x40, Sevcon Error Code: 0x46C3, Data: 0C 10 00, Unknown
07326 01/10/2017 14:13:05 CAN1 ACK error. count=1
07327 01/10/2017 14:13:05 Sevcon Turned On
07328 01/10/2017 14:13:05 DEBUG: Sevcon Contactor Drive ON.
07329 01/10/2017 14:13:06 Sevcon CAN Link Down
07330 01/10/2017 14:13:06 Sevcon CAN Link Up
07331 01/10/2017 14:13:07 Module 00 Closing Contactor vmod: 100.151V, maxsys: 99.879V, minsys: 99.837V, diff: 0.042V, vcap: 113.312V, prechg: 113%
07332 01/10/2017 14:13:07 Module 01 Closing Contactor vmod: 100.150V, maxsys: 99.879V, minsys: 99.837V, diff: 0.042V, vcap: 113.312V, prechg: 113%
07333 01/10/2017 14:13:07 Riding PackTemp: h 19C, l 19C, PackSOC: 60%, Vpack:100.177V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 00, MotTemp: 14C, CtrlTemp: 19C, AmbTemp: 13C, MotRPM:4464, Odo: 4301km
07334 01/10/2017 14:13:07 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x1000, Error Reg: 0x01, Sevcon Error Code: 0x4884, Data: 00 00 00, Sequence Fault
07335 01/10/2017 14:13:07 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x1000, Error Reg: 0x01, Sevcon Error Code: 0x4981, Data: 00 00 00, Throttle Fault
07336 01/10/2017 14:13:07 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x0000, Error Reg: 0x00, Sevcon Error Code: 0x4884, Data: 81 49 48, Sequence Fault
07337 01/10/2017 14:13:07 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x0000, Error Reg: 0x00, Sevcon Error Code: 0x4981, Data: 00 00 3E, Throttle Fault
07338 01/10/2017 14:13:11 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x3100, Error Reg: 0x04, Sevcon Error Code: 0x45C5, Data: 08 07 00, Unknown
07339 01/10/2017 14:13:11 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x5000, Error Reg: 0x44, Sevcon Error Code: 0x46C3, Data: 02 01 00, Unknown
07340 01/10/2017 14:13:11 INFO: Bmvolts: 100250, Cmvolts: 137750, Amps: 0, RPM: 3806
07341 01/10/2017 14:13:12 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x2000, Error Reg: 0x46, Sevcon Error Code: 0x54C1, Data: 00 00 02, Unknown
07342 01/10/2017 14:13:12 INFO: Bmvolts: 100187, Cmvolts: 137750, Amps: 0, RPM: 3794
07343 01/10/2017 14:13:12 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x3100, Error Reg: 0x46, Sevcon Error Code: 0x45C8, Data: 08 9C 78, Unknown
07344 01/10/2017 14:13:12 INFO: Bmvolts: 100187, Cmvolts: 137750, Amps: 0, RPM: 3683
07345 01/10/2017 14:13:21 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x0000, Error Reg: 0x42, Sevcon Error Code: 0x45C8, Data: C1 54 75, Unknown
07346 01/10/2017 14:13:21 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x0000, Error Reg: 0x02, Sevcon Error Code: 0x46C3, Data: C1 54 42, Unknown
07347 01/10/2017 14:13:21 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x5000, Error Reg: 0x42, Sevcon Error Code: 0x46C3, Data: 02 02 00, Unknown
07348 01/10/2017 14:13:21 INFO: Bmvolts: 100812, Cmvolts: 137750, Amps: 0, RPM: 2757
07349 01/10/2017 14:13:22 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x3100, Error Reg: 0x46, Sevcon Error Code: 0x45C8, Data: 08 83 78, Unknown
07350 01/10/2017 14:13:22 INFO: Bmvolts: 100875, Cmvolts: 136312, Amps: 0, RPM: 2672
07351 01/10/2017 14:13:26 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Running mode to Stopped mode
07352 01/10/2017 14:13:26 DEBUG: Module mode Change Does Not Require Disconnect
07353 01/10/2017 14:13:29 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x0000, Error Reg: 0x42, Sevcon Error Code: 0x45C8, Data: C1 54 65, Unknown
07354 01/10/2017 14:13:29 INFO: Bmvolts: 101250, Cmvolts: 122687, Amps: 0, RPM: 2166
07355 01/10/2017 14:13:29 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x0000, Error Reg: 0x02, Sevcon Error Code: 0x46C3, Data: C1 54 39, Unknown
07356 01/10/2017 14:13:29 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x5000, Error Reg: 0x42, Sevcon Error Code: 0x46C3, Data: 02 03 00, Unknown
07357 01/10/2017 14:13:30 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x3100, Error Reg: 0x46, Sevcon Error Code: 0x45C8, Data: 08 4E 78, Unknown
07358 01/10/2017 14:13:30 INFO: Bmvolts: 101250, Cmvolts: 132812, Amps: 0, RPM: 2069
07359 01/10/2017 14:13:35 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x0000, Error Reg: 0x42, Sevcon Error Code: 0x45C8, Data: C1 54 41, Unknown
07360 01/10/2017 14:13:35 INFO: Bmvolts: 101375, Cmvolts: 122687, Amps: 0, RPM: 1263
07361 01/10/2017 14:13:35 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x0000, Error Reg: 0x02, Sevcon Error Code: 0x46C3, Data: C1 54 E6, Unknown
07362 01/10/2017 14:13:35 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x5000, Error Reg: 0x42, Sevcon Error Code: 0x46C3, Data: 02 04 00, Unknown
07363 01/10/2017 14:13:36 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x3100, Error Reg: 0x46, Sevcon Error Code: 0x45C8, Data: 07 FC 78, Unknown
07364 01/10/2017 14:13:36 INFO: Bmvolts: 101375, Cmvolts: 127812, Amps: 0, RPM: 959
07365 01/10/2017 14:13:39 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x0000, Error Reg: 0x42, Sevcon Error Code: 0x45C8, Data: C1 54 B6, Unknown
07366 01/10/2017 14:13:39 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x0000, Error Reg: 0x42, Sevcon Error Code: 0x45C5, Data: C1 54 32, Unknown
07367 01/10/2017 14:13:39 INFO: Bmvolts: 101500, Cmvolts: 117750, Amps: 0, RPM: 210
07368 01/10/2017 14:13:42 DEBUG: Sevcon Contactor Drive OFF
07369 01/10/2017 14:13:42 DEBUG: Sevcon Has Turned Off Contactor Drive
07370 01/10/2017 14:13:42 Module 00 Opening Contactor vmod: 102.091V, batt curr: -3A
07371 01/10/2017 14:13:42 Module 01 Opening Contactor vmod: 102.074V, batt curr: -3A
07372 01/10/2017 14:13:42 Waiting for eligible modules
07373 01/10/2017 14:13:42 INFO: Disabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
07374 01/10/2017 14:13:42 INFO: Disabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
07375 01/10/2017 14:13:42 Module 00 Opening Contactor vmod: 102.093V, batt curr: -3A
07376 01/10/2017 14:13:42 Module 01 Opening Contactor vmod: 102.072V, batt curr: -3A
07377 01/10/2017 14:13:42 Sevcon Turned Off
07378 01/10/2017 14:13:42 Eligible module found (BMS1)
07379 01/10/2017 14:13:42 INFO: Enabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
07380 01/10/2017 14:13:42 INFO: Enabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
07381 01/10/2017 14:13:43 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Stopped mode to Running mode
07382 01/10/2017 14:13:43 Sevcon Turned On
07383 01/10/2017 14:13:43 Sevcon CAN Link Down
07384 01/10/2017 14:13:44 Sevcon CAN Link Up
07385 01/10/2017 14:13:44 DEBUG: Sevcon Contactor Drive ON.
07386 01/10/2017 14:13:44 Module 00 Closing Contactor vmod: 102.109V, maxsys: 101.859V, minsys: 101.785V, diff: 0.074V, vcap: 91.625V, prechg: 89%
07387 01/10/2017 14:13:44 Module 01 Closing Contactor vmod: 102.105V, maxsys: 101.859V, minsys: 101.785V, diff: 0.074V, vcap: 91.625V, prechg: 89%
07388 01/10/2017 14:13:45 DEBUG: Module 01 Contactor is now Closed
07389 01/10/2017 14:13:45 DEBUG: Module 00 Contactor is now Closed
07390 01/10/2017 14:13:46 ABS SILA reporting an error
07391 01/10/2017 14:13:50 Power Off Key Switch
07392 01/10/2017 14:13:50 Sevcon Turned Off
07393 01/10/2017 14:13:50 Module 00 Opening Contactor vmod: 102.259V, batt curr: -3A
07394 01/10/2017 14:13:50 Module 01 Opening Contactor vmod: 102.243V, batt curr: 0A
07395 01/10/2017 14:13:50 INFO: Disabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
07396 01/10/2017 14:13:50 INFO: Disabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
07397 0 DEBUG: Reset: Power-On
07398 0 Power On Key Switch
07399 0 Key On
07400 0 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from None mode to Stopped mode
07401 0 Module 00 Opening Contactor vmod: 0.000V, batt curr: 0A
07402 0 Module 01 Opening Contactor vmod: 0.000V, batt curr: 0A
07403 0 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Stopped mode to Running mode
07404 0 Module 01 CAN Link Up
07405 0 Module 01 Registered serial: 16sg2033, vmod: 102.703V
07406 01/10/2017 14:14:17 Module 00 CAN Link Up
07407 01/10/2017 14:14:17 Module 01 CAN Link Down
07408 01/10/2017 14:14:17 Module 01 CAN Link Up
07409 01/10/2017 14:14:17 Sevcon Turned On
07410 01/10/2017 14:14:17 Module 00 Registered serial: 16sg2032, vmod: 102.729V
07411 01/10/2017 14:14:18 Sevcon CAN Link Up
07412 01/10/2017 14:14:18 DEBUG: Sevcon Contactor Drive ON.
07413 01/10/2017 14:14:18 Module 00 Closing Contactor vmod: 102.740V, maxsys: 102.776V, minsys: 102.709V, diff: 0.067V, vcap: 91.687V, prechg: 89%
07414 01/10/2017 14:14:18 Module 01 Closing Contactor vmod: 102.717V, maxsys: 102.776V, minsys: 102.709V, diff: 0.067V, vcap: 91.687V, prechg: 89%
07415 01/10/2017 14:14:18 DEBUG: Module 01 Contactor is now Closed
07416 01/10/2017 14:14:18 INFO: Enabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
07417 01/10/2017 14:14:18 INFO: Enabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
07418 01/10/2017 14:14:18 DEBUG: Module 00 Contactor is now Closed
07419 01/10/2017 14:14:26 Riding PackTemp: h 20C, l 20C, PackSOC: 60%, Vpack:102.812V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 3, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 42C, CtrlTemp: 15C, AmbTemp: 13C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 4301km
07420 01/10/2017 14:14:26 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 462 A (88%), MinCell: 3666mV, MaxPackTemp: 20C
07421 01/10/2017 14:15:26 Riding PackTemp: h 20C, l 20C, PackSOC: 59%, Vpack: 94.994V, MotAmps: 92, BattAmps: 151, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 38C, CtrlTemp: 17C, AmbTemp: 13C, MotRPM:4500, Odo: 4302km
07422 01/10/2017 14:15:26 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 399 A (76%), MinCell: 3282mV, MaxPackTemp: 20C
07423 01/10/2017 14:16:26 Riding PackTemp: h 21C, l 21C, PackSOC: 56%, Vpack: 94.597V, MotAmps: 75, BattAmps: 127,
07424 01/10/2017 14:16:26 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 330 A (63%), MinCell: 3363mV, MaxPackTemp: 21C
07425 01/10/2017 14:17:26 Riding PackTemp: h 22C, l 22C, PackSOC: 52%, Vpack: 97.167V, MotAmps: 17, BattAmps: 38, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 51C, CtrlTemp: 22C, AmbTemp: 14C, MotRPM:5047, Odo: 4306km
07426 01/10/2017 14:17:26 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 220 A (42%), MinCell: 3369mV, MaxPackTemp: 22C
07427 01/10/2017 14:18:26 Riding PackTemp: h 23C, l 23C, PackSOC: 49%, Vpack: 95.337V, MotAmps: 50, BattAmps: 89, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 55C, CtrlTemp: 21C, AmbTemp: 14C, MotRPM:4707, Odo: 4307km
07428 01/10/2017 14:18:26 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 228 A (43%), MinCell: 3290mV, MaxPackTemp: 23C
07429 01/10/2017 14:19:26 Riding PackTemp: h 25C, l 24C, PackSOC: 45%, Vpack: 96.322V, MotAmps: 20, BattAmps: 37, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 62C, CtrlTemp: 22C, AmbTemp: 13C, MotRPM:4640, Odo: 4309km
07430 01/10/2017 14:19:26 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 158 A (30%), MinCell: 3325mV, MaxPackTemp: 25C
07431 01/10/2017 14:20:26 Riding PackTemp: h 26C, l 25C, PackSOC: 43%, Vpack: 95.279V, MotAmps: 55, BattAmps: 90, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 54C, CtrlTemp: 20C, AmbTemp: 13C, MotRPM:4572, Odo: 4311km
07432 01/10/2017 14:20:26 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 247 A (47%), MinCell: 3337mV, MaxPackTemp: 26C
07433 01/10/2017 14:21:26 Riding PackTemp: h 27C, l 26C, PackSOC: 40%, Vpack: 99.100V, MotAmps: -18, BattAmps: -2, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 57C, CtrlTemp: 20C, AmbTemp: 13C, MotRPM:1461, Odo: 4312km
07434 01/10/2017 14:21:26 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 228 A (43%), MinCell: 3478mV, MaxPackTemp: 27C
07435 01/10/2017 14:22:26 Riding PackTemp: h 27C, l 27C, PackSOC: 40%, Vpack: 99.656V, MotAmps: -18, BattAmps: -2, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 56C, CtrlTemp: 19C, AmbTemp: 13C, MotRPM:1359, Odo: 4313km
07436 01/10/2017 14:22:26 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 260 A (50%), MinCell: 3504mV, MaxPackTemp: 27C
07437 01/10/2017 14:23:26 Riding PackTemp: h 28C, l 27C, PackSOC: 39%, Vpack:100.165V, MotAmps: -18, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 50C, CtrlTemp: 18C, AmbTemp: 13C, MotRPM:1275, Odo: 4314km
07438 01/10/2017 14:23:26 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 349 A (67%), MinCell: 3565mV, MaxPackTemp: 28C
07439 01/10/2017 14:24:26 Riding PackTemp: h 28C, l 27C, PackSOC: 39%, Vpack:100.312V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 5, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 49C, CtrlTemp: 18C, AmbTemp: 13C, MotRPM:1320, Odo: 4314km
07440 01/10/2017 14:24:26 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 372 A (71%), MinCell: 3571mV, MaxPackTemp: 28C
07441 01/10/2017 14:25:26 Riding PackTemp: h 27C, l 27C, PackSOC: 38%, Vpack: 99.556V, MotAmps: 76, BattAmps: 28, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 46C, CtrlTemp: 17C, AmbTemp: 13C, MotRPM:1055, Odo: 4314km
07442 01/10/2017 14:25:26 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 376 A (72%), MinCell: 3536mV, MaxPackTemp: 27C
07443 01/10/2017 14:25:45 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Running mode to Stopped mode
The bike has been in the rain a few times but for the past 3 days before this incident there was no rain.
I've had a similar thing happen to me a few months back, sudden braking but no loss of throttle afterwards. No logs unfortunately.
Bike has been on the road for 10 months and 4300Km.
Firmware rev. 40
Board rev. 3
Model FXS
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Actually looks to me like the pack voltage crashes down to 95V suddenly.
Is that correct?
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Sounds scary. When I test rode a FXS I had something similar, but not as bad. There was a sudden "pop" and deceleration when I was pushing things. Only happened once and didn't completely lose power. I hope the FXS I've ordered behaves itself.
Did you have the urge to pull the clutch in? Sounds very much like a siezed engine on a race bike. That would probably be my instinct anyway!
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I've been riding a Zero for 10 months, no clutch urges left :)
Braking was harder than I expected because I usually partially rely on the regen braking and it wasn't functioning properly when the incident happened.
To clarify, there was a hard deceleration down to 80 kmh and then there was nothing, just coasting.
Completely losing power is the big thing here. A few months ago I just experienced the deceleration and then everything seemed normal. No reboot necessary.
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ouch.
this has been one of my greatest fears. i have spent years learning how to work on and fix ICE bikes when they go wrong. i know it, i'm good at it, i can fix anything. now with the zero i'm back at "zero" in many ways. i have been reading and trying to catch up as quick as i can but still admit to being a very small fish in a big-f-ing pond. the lack of info provided by Zero doesn't help. with all my orange bikes i have complete breakdowns, parts fiches, diagrams, schematics...these are the things i want.
my bike (2016 FXS) has been a little off since i took it to the track last time and completely pushed it to it's limits. i downloaded the files to look at but just went cross-eyed by the end.
let us know what you find.
laters,
laramie ;)
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Would really appreciate any insight into the dangerous malfunction of my fairly new motorcycle.
Really, any information before I have to take it to my far away dealer.
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did you email the logs to Zero with a description of what happened?
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My 2016 FXS did this one day. The road was wide open so I just cranked it WFO and it lost drive. At first I thought the belt must have snapped but after coasting to the side it was clear that the belt was still on. Cycled the key and it was fine. SOC was 60% or so and all stock settings for regen, etc. I was able to get it to do it two more times by whacking the throttle but was ready for the results. Was about to take it to the dealership but after charging it back up and riding the following days, and it didn't happen again!?! Figured it was just a glitch in the controller or something.
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That's actually terrible news!
Do you what firmware version you have? (first few lines in the logs)
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Just found a list with SEVCON error codes, might be interesting for you as well. Check the other thread: http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=6567 (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=6567)
http://jan.peman.com/hacks/EmergencyErrorCodes.txt (http://jan.peman.com/hacks/EmergencyErrorCodes.txt)
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I raised this issue with Zero Europe via my dealer and apparently this isn't a known issue with the bike. If it does this then it can easily be fixed under warranty. (I'd this by dialing back the max power a touch, I wonder?)
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I've also just experienced this issue on my 2016 FXS!
This morning I was riding in, crossing an intersection, when the bike lost power. It's done this once to me before, but it recovered then and I thought it was because I was going too fast. Today however it didn't recover without turning the bike off and on. However the concerning thing was that I wasn't accelerating hard at all (I was accelerating across the intersection after slowing - I didn't come to a stop)
I've extracted the bike logs but I haven't looked at them yet. Thought I'd scan the forum here first.
Did you ever get your issue resolved?
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I just noticed this:
> Bike has been on the road for 10 months and 4300Km.
My bike is almost exactly the same! (I think I'm 10 months and 4280kms or something close) That's a bit, uncanny...
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After contacting Zero with the issue they told me to go to my local dealer.
Dealer claims that it's caused by a faulty installation of a security system (with immobilizer), perhaps with poor water insulation.
He showed me a diagnostic screen that shows that there is a constant 0.5V on the throttle line instead of 0.05V which it's supposed to be.
He said that this caused the controller to see a throttle fault and reboot the bike, after rebooting the security system armed and prevented further power from getting to the motor.
I have no way to verify any of this, the security system (and installer) were recommended by the dealer but he now denies it.
He also says that he refuses (actually said, not allowed to) fix the problem himself.
I no longer ride on the highway so I haven't had a repeat performance.
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That is an interesting set of claims. Can you describe the security system or how it's installed?
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Security system is a GPS tracker with battery that gets charged when the bike is on.
I'm guessing it also sits in between the throttle and the controller and prevents current from going through when the system is armed.
It comes with a remote control that when I press the button I hear a noise similar to the contractor noise but much weaker so I guess it's something similar.
Dealer mentioned that he prefers these alarms to block the kickstand switch instead of the throttle. That way you won't lose control mid ride (kickstand switch only works when the bike is stopped).
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Sorry to hear about that shitty outcome MajorMajor. I'm going to detail my specifics below in case it bites anyone else - then if we can determine the fault is something else it might help you out.
Unfortunately my memory was a bit off. My bike is at 4800kms.
The logs are below. Unfortunately I couldn't see the same errors as yours - in fact, I don't see anything out of place on my logs apart from me turning it off and on again after it stopped.
MBB
07703 03/21/2017 13:06:49 Riding PackTemp: h 29C, l 28C, PackSOC: 97%, Vpack:114.220V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 01, MotTemp: 40C, CtrlTemp: 24C, AmbTemp: 24C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 4794km
07704 03/21/2017 13:07:49 Riding PackTemp: h 29C, l 28C, PackSOC: 96%, Vpack:111.017V, MotAmps: 57, BattAmps: 29, Mods: 01, MotTemp: 39C, CtrlTemp: 24C, AmbTemp: 23C, MotRPM:1972, Odo: 4794km
<bike died around here>
<I fiddled with the engine stop switch, then finally turned the ignition key off and on again>
<after restart I kept riding>
07705 03/21/2017 13:08:36 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Running mode to Stopped mode
07706 03/21/2017 13:08:36 DEBUG: Module mode Change Does Not Require Disconnect
07707 03/21/2017 13:08:38 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Stopped mode to Running mode
07708 03/21/2017 13:08:38 DEBUG: Module mode Change Does Not Require Disconnect
07709 03/21/2017 13:08:47 Power Off Key Switch
07710 03/21/2017 13:08:47 Sevcon Turned Off
07711 03/21/2017 13:08:47 Module 00 Opening Contactor vmod: 0.000V, batt curr: 0A
07712 03/21/2017 13:08:47 Module 01 Opening Contactor vmod: 113.121V, batt curr: -3A
07713 03/21/2017 13:08:47 INFO: Disabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
07714 03/21/2017 13:08:47 INFO: Disabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
07715 0 DEBUG: Reset: Power-On, External
07716 0 Power On Key Switch
07717 0 Key On
07718 0 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from None mode to Stopped mode
07719 0 Module 00 Opening Contactor vmod: 0.000V, batt curr: 0A
07720 0 Module 01 Opening Contactor vmod: 0.000V, batt curr: 0A
07721 0 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Stopped mode to Running mode
07722 0 Module 01 CAN Link Up
07723 0 Module 01 Registered serial: 16sg2119, vmod: 113.222V
07724 03/21/2017 13:08:56 Module 00 CAN Link Up
07725 03/21/2017 13:08:56 Module 00 Registered serial: 16sg2384, vmod: 115.513V
07726 03/21/2017 13:12:55 Sevcon Turned On
07727 03/21/2017 13:12:56 Sevcon CAN Link Up
07728 03/21/2017 13:12:57 DEBUG: Sevcon Contactor Drive ON.
07729 03/21/2017 13:12:57 Module 00 Closing Contactor vmod: 115.506V, maxsys: 115.527V, minsys: 115.527V, diff: 0.000V, vcap: 103.750V, prechg: 89%
07730 03/21/2017 13:12:57 DEBUG: Module 00 Contactor is now Closed
07731 03/21/2017 13:12:57 INFO: Enabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
07732 03/21/2017 13:12:57 INFO: Enabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
07733 03/21/2017 13:13:05 Riding PackTemp: h 29C, l 27C, PackSOC: 96%, Vpack:113.231V, MotAmps: 85, BattAmps: 38, Mods: 10, MotTemp: 42C, CtrlTemp: 24C, AmbTemp: 22C, MotRPM:1550, Odo: 4795km
BMS0
08604 03/21/2017 13:07:02 Discharge level 001 AH, SOC: 97%, I: 13A, L:4016, l:4045, H:4023, B:007, PT:029C, BT:041C, PV:112599, M:Bike On
08605 03/21/2017 13:08:02 Discharge level 001 AH, SOC: 95%, I: 31A, L:3919, l:3988, H:3937, B:018, PT:029C, BT:041C, PV:110077, M:Bike On
08606 03/21/2017 13:08:11 Charged To Full 001 AH, SOC: 95%, L:4052, H:4057, B:005, PT:029C, BT:041C, PV:113538
08607 03/21/2017 13:08:47 Contactor was Opened Pack V: 113120mV, Switched V: 113270mV, Prechg Pct: 100%, Dischg Cur: -2659mA
08608 03/21/2017 13:08:48 System Turned Off
08609 03/21/2017 13:08:48 DEBUG: CAN NOT Receiving Syncs
08610 03/21/2017 13:08:49 DEBUG: CAN Link Is Down
08611 03/21/2017 13:08:49 DEBUG: Entered Idle State
08612 03/21/2017 13:08:55 Current Sensor Zeroed old: 2473mV, new: 2448mV, corrfact: 52
08613 03/21/2017 13:08:55 SOC adjusted for voltage old: 1497118uAH (soc:95%), new: 1820000uAH (soc:93%), low cell: 4041 mV
08614 03/21/2017 13:08:55 DEBUG: Resetting CAN0 due to error passive mode
08615 03/21/2017 13:08:56 System Turned On
08616 03/21/2017 13:08:56 DEBUG: Entered Running State
08617 03/21/2017 13:08:56 DEBUG: CAN Link Is Up
08618 03/21/2017 13:08:57 Discharge level 001 AH, SOC: 93%, I: 0A, L:4042, l:4042, H:4045, B:003, PT:029C, BT:041C, PV:113224, M:Bike On
08619 03/21/2017 13:08:57 DEBUG: CAN Receiving Syncs
08620 03/21/2017 13:09:17 Voltage Across Contactor: -1599mV (Possibly welded)
08621 03/21/2017 13:09:20 Contactor drive turned on Pack V: 113320mV, Switched V: 108425mV, Duty Cycle: 35%
08622 03/21/2017 13:09:20 Contactor was Closed Pack V: 113320mV, Switched V: 108425mV, Prechg Pct: 95%, Dischg Cur: 139mA
08623 03/21/2017 13:09:57 Discharge level 001 AH, SOC: 93%, I: -3A, L:4064, l:4056, H:4066, B:002, PT:029C, BT:040C, PV:113816, M:Bike On
08624 03/21/2017 13:10:57 Discharge level 002 AH, SOC: 92%, I: -7A, L:4057, l:4041, H:4060, B:003, PT:029C, BT:040C, PV:113645, M:Bike On
BMS1
08599 03/21/2017 13:07:02 Discharge level 001 AH, SOC: 97%, I: 13A, L:4016, l:4045, H:4023, B:007, PT:029C, BT:041C, PV:112599, M:Bike On
08600 03/21/2017 13:08:02 Discharge level 001 AH, SOC: 95%, I: 31A, L:3919, l:3988, H:3937, B:018, PT:029C, BT:041C, PV:110077, M:Bike On
08601 03/21/2017 13:08:11 Charged To Full 001 AH, SOC: 95%, L:4052, H:4057, B:005, PT:029C, BT:041C, PV:113538
08602 03/21/2017 13:08:47 Contactor was Opened Pack V: 113120mV, Switched V: 113270mV, Prechg Pct: 100%, Dischg Cur: -2659mA
08603 03/21/2017 13:08:48 System Turned Off
08604 03/21/2017 13:08:48 DEBUG: CAN NOT Receiving Syncs
08605 03/21/2017 13:08:49 DEBUG: CAN Link Is Down
08606 03/21/2017 13:08:49 DEBUG: Entered Idle State
08607 03/21/2017 13:08:55 Current Sensor Zeroed old: 2473mV, new: 2448mV, corrfact: 52
08608 03/21/2017 13:08:55 SOC adjusted for voltage old: 1497118uAH (soc:95%), new: 1820000uAH (soc:93%), low cell: 4041 mV
08609 03/21/2017 13:08:55 DEBUG: Resetting CAN0 due to error passive mode
08610 03/21/2017 13:08:56 System Turned On
08611 03/21/2017 13:08:56 DEBUG: Entered Running State
08612 03/21/2017 13:08:56 DEBUG: CAN Link Is Up
08613 03/21/2017 13:08:57 Discharge level 001 AH, SOC: 93%, I: 0A, L:4042, l:4042, H:4045, B:003, PT:029C, BT:041C, PV:113224, M:Bike On
08614 03/21/2017 13:08:57 DEBUG: CAN Receiving Syncs
08615 03/21/2017 13:09:17 Voltage Across Contactor: -1599mV (Possibly welded)
08616 03/21/2017 13:09:20 Contactor drive turned on Pack V: 113320mV, Switched V: 108425mV, Duty Cycle: 35%
08617 03/21/2017 13:09:20 Contactor was Closed Pack V: 113320mV, Switched V: 108425mV, Prechg Pct: 95%, Dischg Cur: 139mA
08618 03/21/2017 13:09:57 Discharge level 001 AH, SOC: 93%, I: -3A, L:4064, l:4056, H:4066, B:002, PT:029C, BT:040C, PV:113816, M:Bike On
08619 03/21/2017 13:10:57 Discharge level 002 AH, SOC: 92%, I: -7A, L:4057, l:4041, H:4060, B:003, PT:029C, BT:040C, PV:113645, M:Bike On
The only modification that I made to my bike was powering front and rear camera system from the aux power port (I have the aux power jack accessory on my bike)
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Oh, wait up. I just noticed this
07711 03/21/2017 13:08:47 Module 00 Opening Contactor vmod: 0.000V, batt curr: 0A
07712 03/21/2017 13:08:47 Module 01 Opening Contactor vmod: 113.121V, batt curr: -3A
Every other time vmod for Module 00 has reported a similar reading to Module 01..
Interestingly there's nothing on the BMS0 or 1 to indicate anything's wrong. Also Module 00 seems to fix itself before I stop riding as closing the contactor shows reasonable levels.
So my current guess is, intermittent connector failure for battery 0?
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Security system is a GPS tracker with battery that gets charged when the bike is on.
I'm guessing it also sits in between the throttle and the controller and prevents current from going through when the system is armed.
It comes with a remote control that when I press the button I hear a noise similar to the contractor noise but much weaker so I guess it's something similar.
Dealer mentioned that he prefers these alarms to block the kickstand switch instead of the throttle. That way you won't lose control mid ride (kickstand switch only works when the bike is stopped).
That both sounds really interesting and also like it must be the cause. I'm guessing it wasn't specifically designed for the Zero (or its throttle). What brand is it?
If it turns out that the failure is because the security system's power source is independent, there are reasonable ways to wire up a permanent 12V supply to the battery... except on an FX with removable modules, of course.
But otherwise your dealer is right and it'd be more reliable interrupting a switched circuit instead of the throttle. Zeros are still uncommon enough that you might easily get away with a hidden cutout switch or something...
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Oh, wait up. I just noticed this
07711 03/21/2017 13:08:47 Module 00 Opening Contactor vmod: 0.000V, batt curr: 0A
07712 03/21/2017 13:08:47 Module 01 Opening Contactor vmod: 113.121V, batt curr: -3A
Every other time vmod for Module 00 has reported a similar reading to Module 01..
Interestingly there's nothing on the BMS0 or 1 to indicate anything's wrong. Also Module 00 seems to fix itself before I stop riding as closing the contactor shows reasonable levels.
So my current guess is, intermittent connector failure for battery 0?
Those are confusing indications for sure. Your guess sounds reasonable.
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sounds like a good reason not to mess with the electrical. i bought a $110 gps tracker on ebay with a 5v 5000mAh battery that lasts several weeks and charges when it ride. works great. actually was told it would last a month but never left it that long without riding. really no fear of my bike getting stolen and just seems foolish to mess with the wiring, especially the throttle. if its malfunctioning i wouldn't risk it. have you had other bikes stolen? anyone know of any zero thefts?
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...anyone know of any zero thefts?
Well, there was one a few months ago (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=6498.0) in the UK...
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Dealer mentioned 2 were stolen in my area.
I think both were recovered.
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Dealer mentioned 2 were stolen in my area.
I think both were recovered.
Likely when the bikes stopped running and the thieves had no idea why and couldn't find the gas cap. ;)
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I've had this happen 3 times at WOT, on my '16 FXS. Had complete power loss and would only reset if I came to a complete stop-tried key on/off and power switch cycle while coasting- nothing doin. The only straightaways in my hood (NYC) are bridges and that's were its happened every time. Definitely a complete bummer, and yes terrifying because I had to coast half the bridge to a small turnoff. Might be a deal breaker on this bike, but everything else I love about it. Please post if anyone has ideas about this.
I called Zero and they said take to dealer which is not so appealing.
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I've had this happen 3 times at WOT, on my '16 FXS. Had complete power loss and would only reset if I came to a complete stop-tried key on/off and power switch cycle while coasting- nothing doin. The only straightaways in my hood (NYC) are bridges and that's were its happened every time. Definitely a complete bummer, and yes terrifying because I had to coast half the bridge to a small turnoff. Might be a deal breaker on this bike, but everything else I love about it. Please post if anyone has ideas about this.
I called Zero and they said take to dealer which is not so appealing.
I have a friend with a 2008 BMW F800ST. Coincidentally two weeks ago his bike stalled 20 times while riding home on the freeway. He had to turn off the ignition and turn it back on before his bike would restart and run for another mile, before stalling again. His dealer discovered that he had a failing fuel pump. A new one set him back $450. My guess is that is not your problem, though. ;)
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I've had this happen 3 times at WOT, on my '16 FXS. Had complete power loss and would only reset if I came to a complete stop-tried key on/off and power switch cycle while coasting- nothing doin. The only straightaways in my hood (NYC) are bridges and that's were its happened every time. Definitely a complete bummer, and yes terrifying because I had to coast half the bridge to a small turnoff.
What error codes and log indications were there? Were there any other symptoms before or after?
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06969 06/03/2017 09:13:33 Calex 720W Charger 0 Disconnected
06970 06/03/2017 09:13:33 Calex 1200W Charger 1 Disconnected
06971 0 DEBUG: Reset: Power-On, External
06972 0 Power On Key Switch
06973 0 Key On
06974 0 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from None mode to Stopped mode
06975 0 Module 00 vmod: 0V, batt curr: 0A
06976 0 Module 01 vmod: 0V, batt curr: 0A
06977 0 Module 01 CAN Link Up
06978 0 Module 01 serial: 16sg2324, vmod: 115.86V
06979 06/03/2017 09:18:39 Module 00 CAN Link Up
06980 06/03/2017 09:18:39 Module 00 serial: 16sg2327, vmod: 115.839V
06981 06/03/2017 09:20:40 Module 00 CAN Link Down
06982 06/03/2017 09:20:40 Module 00 CAN Link Up
06983 06/03/2017 09:20:40 Sevcon Turned On
06984 06/03/2017 09:20:41 Sevcon CAN Link Up
06985 06/03/2017 09:20:41 DEBUG: Sevcon Contactor Drive ON.
06986 06/03/2017 09:20:41 Module 00 vmod: 115.829 maxsys: 115.835 minsys: 115.833 diff: 0.002 vcap: 102.187 prechg: 88%
06987 06/03/2017 09:20:41 Module 01 vmod: 115.851 maxsys: 115.835 minsys: 115.833 diff: 0.002 vcap: 102.187 prechg: 88%
06988 06/03/2017 09:20:41 DEBUG: Module 01 Contactor is now Closed
06989 06/03/2017 09:20:41 INFO: Enabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
06990 06/03/2017 09:20:41 INFO: Enabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
06991 06/03/2017 09:20:42 DEBUG: Module 00 Contactor is now Closed
06992 06/03/2017 09:20:49 Disarmed PackTemp: h 23C, l 23C, PackSOC:100%, Vpack:115.841V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 28C, CtrlTemp: 17C, AmbTemp: 19C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 3849km
06993 06/03/2017 09:21:49 Disarmed PackTemp: h 23C, l 23C, PackSOC:100%, Vpack:115.803V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 30C, CtrlTemp: 17C, AmbTemp: 18C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 3849km
06994 06/03/2017 09:21:51 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Stopped mode to Running mode
06995 06/03/2017 09:21:51 DEBUG: Module mode Change Does Not Require Disconnect
06996 06/03/2017 09:22:49 Riding PackTemp: h 23C, l 23C, PackSOC:100%, Vpack:115.665V, MotAmps: -14, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 28C, CtrlTemp: 19C, AmbTemp: 19C, MotRPM: 892, Odo: 3849km
06997 06/03/2017 09:23:49 Riding PackTemp: h 23C, l 23C, PackSOC:100%, Vpack:115.528V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 32C, CtrlTemp: 19C, AmbTemp: 19C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 3850km
06998 06/03/2017 09:24:49 Riding PackTemp: h 23C, l 23C, PackSOC:100%, Vpack:115.511V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 1, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 33C, CtrlTemp: 19C, AmbTemp: 19C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 3850km
06999 06/03/2017 09:25:49 Riding PackTemp: h 23C, l 23C, PackSOC:100%, Vpack:115.499V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 33C, CtrlTemp: 19C, AmbTemp: 19C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 3850km
07000 06/03/2017 09:26:49 Riding PackTemp: h 23C, l 23C, PackSOC:100%, Vpack:115.388V, MotAmps: 5, BattAmps: 1, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 30C, CtrlTemp: 20C, AmbTemp: 19C, MotRPM: 380, Odo: 3850km
07001 06/03/2017 09:27:49 Riding PackTemp: h 23C, l 23C, PackSOC:100%, Vpack:115.308V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 33C, CtrlTemp: 20C, AmbTemp: 19C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 3850km
07002 06/03/2017 09:28:49 Riding PackTemp: h 23C, l 23C, PackSOC: 99%, Vpack:115.109V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 32C, CtrlTemp: 21C, AmbTemp: 19C, MotRPM:1421, Odo: 3851km
07003 06/03/2017 09:29:49 Riding PackTemp: h 23C, l 23C, PackSOC: 99%, Vpack:114.497V, MotAmps: 77, BattAmps: 18, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 32C, CtrlTemp: 21C, AmbTemp: 19C, MotRPM: 832, Odo: 3851km
07004 06/03/2017 09:30:18 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x5000, Error Reg: 0x40 Sevcon Error Code: 0x46c3, Data: 0x04 0x01 0x00 , Unknown
07005 06/03/2017 09:30:18 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x 0, Error Reg: 0x00 Sevcon Error Code: 0x46c3, Data: 0x00 0x00 0x99 , Unknown
07006 06/03/2017 09:30:18 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x5000, Error Reg: 0x40 Sevcon Error Code: 0x46c3, Data: 0x04 0x02 0x00 , Unknown
07007 06/03/2017 09:30:18 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x 0, Error Reg: 0x00 Sevcon Error Code: 0x46c3, Data: 0x00 0x00 0x99 , Unknown
07008 06/03/2017 09:30:18 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x5000, Error Reg: 0x40 Sevcon Error Code: 0x52c3, Data: 0x00 0x00 0x00 , Unknown
07009 06/03/2017 09:30:18 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x5000, Error Reg: 0x40 Sevcon Error Code: 0x46c3, Data: 0x0c 0x10 0x00 , Unknown
07010 06/03/2017 09:30:18 Restarting Sevcon to clear cutout fault
07011 06/03/2017 09:30:18 Module 00 vmod: 112.127V, batt curr: 65498A
07012 06/03/2017 09:30:18 Module 01 vmod: 112.156V, batt curr: 65506A
07013 06/03/2017 09:30:19 Sevcon Turned Off
07014 06/03/2017 09:30:19 DEBUG: Sevcon Contactor Drive OFF
07015 06/03/2017 09:30:19 DEBUG: Module 00 Contactor is now Open
07016 06/03/2017 09:30:19 DEBUG: Module 01 Contactor is now Open
07017 06/03/2017 09:30:19 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x3100, Error Reg: 0x44 Sevcon Error Code: 0x45c5, Data: 0x07 0x07 0x00 , Unknown
07018 06/03/2017 09:30:19 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x2000, Error Reg: 0x46 Sevcon Error Code: 0x54c1, Data: 0x00 0x00 0x02 , Unknown
07019 06/03/2017 09:30:19 INFO: Bmvolts: 42000, Cmvolts: 127875, Amps: 0, RPM: 5353
07020 06/03/2017 09:30:20 Sevcon Turned On
07021 06/03/2017 09:30:20 DEBUG: Sevcon Contactor Drive ON.
07022 06/03/2017 09:30:20 Sevcon CAN Link Down
07023 06/03/2017 09:30:21 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x3100, Error Reg: 0x04 Sevcon Error Code: 0x45c5, Data: 0x07 0x07 0x00 , Unknown
07024 06/03/2017 09:30:21 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x2000, Error Reg: 0x06 Sevcon Error Code: 0x54c1, Data: 0x00 0x00 0x02 , Unknown
07025 06/03/2017 09:30:21 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x5000, Error Reg: 0x46 Sevcon Error Code: 0x46c3, Data: 0x00 0x00 0x00 , Unknown
07026 06/03/2017 09:30:21 Sevcon CAN Link Up
07027 06/03/2017 09:30:21 DEBUG: Sevcon Contactor Drive OFF
07028 06/03/2017 09:30:21 INFO: Bmvolts: 110125, Cmvolts: 123562, Amps: 0, RPM: 0
07029 06/03/2017 09:30:21 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x3100, Error Reg: 0x46 Sevcon Error Code: 0x45c8, Data: 0x07 0xbc 0x78 , Unknown
07030 06/03/2017 09:30:21 INFO: Bmvolts: 110250, Cmvolts: 123437, Amps: 0, RPM: 0
07031 06/03/2017 09:30:22 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x 0, Error Reg: 0x42 Sevcon Error Code: 0x45c8, Data: 0xc1 0x54 0x22 , Unknown
07032 06/03/2017 09:30:22 INFO: Bmvolts: 110187, Cmvolts: 119875, Amps: 0, RPM: 0
07033 06/03/2017 09:30:22 SEVCON CAN EMCY Frame Error Code: 0x 0, Error Reg: 0x42 Sevcon Error Code: 0x45c5, Data: 0xc1 0x54 0x3e , Unknown
07034 06/03/2017 09:30:22 INFO: Bmvolts: 110312, Cmvolts: 119062, Amps: 0, RPM: 0
07035 06/03/2017 09:30:23 Contactor Welded
07036 06/03/2017 09:30:23 INFO: Disabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
07037 06/03/2017 09:30:23 INFO: Disabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
07038 06/03/2017 09:30:23 Module 00 vmod: 111.011V, batt curr: 65533A
07039 06/03/2017 09:30:23 Module 01 vmod: 111.156V, batt curr: 65533A
07040 06/03/2017 09:30:26 Power Off Key Switch
07041 06/03/2017 09:30:26 Sevcon Turned Off
07042 06/03/2017 09:30:26 Module 00 vmod: 111.416V, batt curr: 65533A
07043 06/03/2017 09:30:26 Module 01 vmod: 111.558V, batt curr: 65533A
07044 0 DEBUG: Reset: Power-On, External
07045 0 Power On Key Switch
07046 0 Key On
07047 0 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from None mode to Stopped mode
07048 0 Module 00 vmod: 0V, batt curr: 0A
07049 0 Module 01 vmod: 0V, batt curr: 0A
07050 0 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Stopped mode to Running mode
07051 0 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Running mode to Stopped mode
07052 0 Module 00 CAN Link Up
07053 0 Module 00 serial: 16sg2327, vmod: 111.92V
07054 06/03/2017 09:30:32 Module 01 serial: 16sg2324, vmod: 112.056V
07055 06/03/2017 09:30:32 Module 01 CAN Link Up
07056 06/03/2017 09:30:32 Sevcon Turned On
07057 06/03/2017 09:30:33 Sevcon CAN Link Up
07058 06/03/2017 09:30:34 DEBUG: Sevcon Contactor Drive ON.
07059 06/03/2017 09:30:34 Module 00 vmod: 112.021 maxsys: 111.859 minsys: 111.787 diff: 0.072 vcap: 100.312 prechg: 89%
07060 06/03/2017 09:30:34 Module 01 vmod: 112.142 maxsys: 111.859 minsys: 111.787 diff: 0.072 vcap: 100.312 prechg: 89%
07061 06/03/2017 09:30:34 DEBUG: Module 00 Contactor is now Closed
07062 06/03/2017 09:30:34 INFO: Enabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
07063 06/03/2017 09:30:34 INFO: Enabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
07064 06/03/2017 09:30:34 DEBUG: Module 01 Contactor is now Closed
07065 06/03/2017 09:30:40 Power Off Key Switch
07066 06/03/2017 09:30:40 Sevcon Turned Off
07067 06/03/2017 09:30:40 Module 00 vmod: 112.378V, batt curr: 65533A
07068 06/03/2017 09:30:40 Module 01 vmod: 112.412V, batt curr: 65534A
07069 06/03/2017 09:30:40 INFO: Disabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
07070 06/03/2017 09:30:40 INFO: Disabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
07071 0 DEBUG: Reset: Power-On, External
07072 0 Power On Key Switch
07073 0 Key On
07074 0 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from None mode to Stopped mode
07075 0 Module 00 vmod: 0V, batt curr: 0A
07076 0 Module 01 vmod: 0V, batt curr: 0A
07077 0 Module 00 CAN Link Up
07078 0 Module 01 CAN Link Up
07079 0 Module 00 serial: 16sg2327, vmod: 113.017V
07080 06/03/2017 09:31:00 Module 01 serial: 16sg2324, vmod: 113.136V
07081 06/03/2017 09:31:00 Sevcon Turned On
07082 06/03/2017 09:31:01 Sevcon CAN Link Up
07083 06/03/2017 09:31:02 DEBUG: Sevcon Contactor Drive ON.
07084 06/03/2017 09:31:02 Module 00 vmod: 113.051 maxsys: 113.16 minsys: 113.04 diff: 0.120 vcap: 101.187 prechg: 89%
07085 06/03/2017 09:31:02 Module 01 vmod: 113.16 maxsys: 113.16 minsys: 113.04 diff: 0.120 vcap: 101.187 prechg: 89%
07086 06/03/2017 09:31:02 DEBUG: Module 00 Contactor is now Closed
07087 06/03/2017 09:31:02 DEBUG: Module 01 Contactor is now Closed
07088 06/03/2017 09:31:02 INFO: Enabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
07089 06/03/2017 09:31:02 INFO: Enabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
07090 06/03/2017 09:31:10 Disarmed PackTemp: h 25C, l 25C, PackSOC: 90%, Vpack:113.258V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 47C, CtrlTemp: 22C, AmbTemp: 18C, MotRPM:1569, Odo: 3852km
07091 06/03/2017 09:31:27 Power Off Key Switch
07092 06/03/2017 09:31:27 Sevcon Turned Off
07093 06/03/2017 09:31:27 Module 00 vmod: 113.473V, batt curr: 0A
07094 06/03/2017 09:31:27 Module 01 vmod: 113.498V, batt curr: 0A
07095 06/03/2017 09:31:27 INFO: Disabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
07096 06/03/2017 09:31:27 INFO: Disabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
07097 0 DEBUG: Reset: Power-On, External
07098 0 Power On Key Switch
07099 0 Key On
07100 0 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from None mode to Stopped mode
07101 0 Module 00 vmod: 0V, batt curr: 0A
07102 0 Module 01 vmod: 0V, batt curr: 0A
07103 0 Module 00 CAN Link Up
07104 0 Module 00 serial: 16sg2327, vmod: 113.543V
07105 06/03/2017 09:31:33 Module 01 serial: 16sg2324, vmod: 113.63V
07106 06/03/2017 09:31:33 Module 01 CAN Link Up
07107 06/03/2017 09:31:33 Sevcon Turned On
07108 06/03/2017 09:31:34 CAN1 BIT0 error. count=1
07109 06/03/2017 09:31:34 Sevcon CAN Link Up
07110 06/03/2017 09:31:35 DEBUG: Sevcon Contactor Drive ON.
07111 06/03/2017 09:31:35 Module 00 vmod: 113.563 maxsys: 113.649 minsys: 113.637 diff: 0.012 vcap: 101.937 prechg: 89%
07112 06/03/2017 09:31:35 Module 01 vmod: 113.638 maxsys: 113.649 minsys: 113.637 diff: 0.012 vcap: 101.937 prechg: 89%
07113 06/03/2017 09:31:35 DEBUG: Module 01 Contactor is now Closed
07114 06/03/2017 09:31:35 INFO: Enabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
07115 06/03/2017 09:31:35 INFO: Enabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
07116 06/03/2017 09:31:35 DEBUG: Module 00 Contactor is now Closed
07117 06/03/2017 09:31:37 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Stopped mode to Running mode
07118 06/03/2017 09:31:37 DEBUG: Module mode Change Does Not Require Disconnect
07119 06/03/2017 09:31:43 Riding PackTemp: h 26C, l 25C, PackSOC: 90%, Vpack:113.664V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 5, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 44C, CtrlTemp: 22C, AmbTemp: 18C, MotRPM: 70, Odo: 3852km
07120 06/03/2017 09:32:43 Riding PackTemp: h 26C, l 25C, PackSOC: 90%, Vpack:112.875V, MotAmps: 90, BattAmps: 27, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 43C, CtrlTemp: 22C, AmbTemp: 18C, MotRPM: 855, Odo: 3853km
07121 06/03/2017 09:33:43 Riding PackTemp: h 26C, l 25C, PackSOC: 89%, Vpack:113.704V, MotAmps: -18, BattAmps: 2, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 44C, CtrlTemp: 22C, AmbTemp: 18C, MotRPM:1314, Odo: 3853km
07122 06/03/2017 09:34:43 Riding PackTemp: h 26C, l 25C, PackSOC: 89%, Vpack: 110.47V, MotAmps: 159, BattAmps: 84, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 45C, CtrlTemp: 23C, AmbTemp: 18C, MotRPM:1725, Odo: 3853km
07123 06/03/2017 09:35:43 Riding PackTemp: h 26C, l 25C, PackSOC: 89%, Vpack:113.653V, MotAmps: -27, BattAmps: -2, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 44C, CtrlTemp: 22C, AmbTemp: 18C, MotRPM:1398, Odo: 3854km
07124 06/03/2017 09:36:43 Riding PackTemp: h 26C, l 25C, PackSOC: 88%, Vpack:110.767V, MotAmps: 257, BattAmps: 71, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 45C, CtrlTemp: 23C, AmbTemp: 17C, MotRPM: 781, Odo: 3854km
07125 06/03/2017 09:37:43 Riding PackTemp: h 26C, l 25C, PackSOC: 87%, Vpack:112.801V, MotAmps: -18, BattAmps: -3, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 49C, CtrlTemp: 24C, AmbTemp: 17C, MotRPM:2386, Odo: 3855km
07126 06/03/2017 09:38:43 Riding PackTemp: h 26C, l 25C, PackSOC: 87%, Vpack:109.735V, MotAmps: 148, BattAmps: 93, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 48C, CtrlTemp: 24C, AmbTemp: 17C, MotRPM:2097, Odo: 3855km
07127 06/03/2017 09:39:43 Riding PackTemp: h 26C, l 25C, PackSOC: 86%, Vpack:112.665V, MotAmps: -18, BattAmps: -1, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 45C, CtrlTemp: 22C, AmbTemp: 17C, MotRPM:1945, Odo: 3855km
07128 06/03/2017 09:40:43 Riding PackTemp: h 26C, l 25C, PackSOC: 86%, Vpack:111.806V, MotAmps: 241, BattAmps: 34, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 48C, CtrlTemp: 23C, AmbTemp: 17C, MotRPM: 264, Odo: 3856km
07129 06/03/2017 09:41:43 Riding PackTemp: h 26C, l 25C, PackSOC: 85%, Vpack:112.391V, MotAmps: 3, BattAmps: 8, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 48C, CtrlTemp: 23C, AmbTemp: 17C, MotRPM:1527, Odo: 3856km
07130 06/03/2017 09:42:43 Riding PackTemp: h 26C, l 25C, PackSOC: 85%, Vpack:112.677V, MotAmps: -27, BattAmps: -2, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 48C, CtrlTemp: 24C, AmbTemp: 17C, MotRPM:1439, Odo: 3857km
07131 06/03/2017 09:43:43 Riding PackTemp: h 26C, l 25C, PackSOC: 84%, Vpack:112.396V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 6, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 50C, CtrlTemp: 22C, AmbTemp: 17C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 3857km
07132 06/03/2017 09:44:43 Riding PackTemp: h 26C, l 25C, PackSOC: 84%, Vpack:112.389V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 7, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 46C, CtrlTemp: 22C, AmbTemp: 17C, MotRPM: 335, Odo: 3857km
07133 06/03/2017 09:44:53 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Running mode to Stopped mode
07134 06/03/2017 09:44:53 DEBUG: Module mode Change Does Not Require Disconnect
07135 06/03/2017 09:44:56 Power Off Key Switch
07136 06/03/2017 09:44:56 Sevcon Turned Off
07137 06/03/2017 09:44:56 Module 00 vmod: 112.423V, batt curr: 2A
07138 06/03/2017 09:44:56 Module 01 vmod: 112.443V, batt curr: 5A
07139 06/03/2017 09:44:56 INFO: Disabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
07140 06/03/2017 09:44:56 INFO: Disabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
*edit by Shadow* use code tag to keep forum readable.
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Brian,
Thanks for requesting logs, I'm not to good at this kinda stuff- but I tried to paste the relevant time frame of when it happened.
Thanks again for looking, Matt
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Sevcon Erro Code 0x46c3 = UKN
Sevcon Erro Code 0x52c3 = Current Control Fault
Sevcon Erro Code 0x46c3 = UKN
Sevcon Erro Code 0x45c5 = High capacitor
Sevcon Erro Code 0x54c1 = DSP Overvoltage
Sevcon Erro Code 0x45c5 = High capacitor
Sevcon Erro Code 0x54c1 = DSP Overvoltage
Sevcon Erro Code 0x46c3 = UKN
Sevcon Erro Code 0x45c8 = Vcap above rated max
Sevcon Erro Code 0x45c5 = High capacitor
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Sevcon Error Code 0x46c3 = RideThroughFault
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I've had this happen 3 times at WOT, on my '16 FXS....I called Zero and they said take to dealer which is not so appealing.
Those faults in the MBB log confirm something is happening. How many miles? Have you followed the service schedule? When is the last time you had the motor and controller commissioned?
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I've updated the wiki's controller diagnostics section a bit based on this thread:
http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Controller_CAN_Diagnostics (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Controller_CAN_Diagnostics)
The fact that we have two cases with different causes is interesting but I only added a general warning about using the throttle wiring:
http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Throttle (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Throttle)