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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: alko on March 04, 2019, 11:07:04 PM
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Hero's description says it not compatible with charging stations that require authentication. What does that mean? And how can I know ahead of time which stations are compatible and which aren't?
I live in rural Mesquite nv which is 80 miles north of Las vegas and 40 miles south of st George ut along i-15. I would ride my bike to st george if i can plug it in using the j1772 adaptor plug while eating, shopping etc to give me enough charge to get home. Speed limit is 70-75 between here and st george, so I'd for sure run out of juice without putting a couple hours of charge in it.
Any I do would be appreciatiated.
I don't have money to spend on a "charge tank" or a "power tank" nor do I want the extra weight.
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The SAE J1772 standard includes a specification for signaling, which is used mostly to negotiate an appropriate rate of charge:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772#Signaling
The Zero adapter plug doesn't do anything interactive on the signal pins. There may be a fixed-specification load resistor, but there's definitely no communications happening with that adapter.
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Hero's description says it not compatible with charging stations that require authentication. What does that mean? And how can I know ahead of time which stations are compatible and which aren't? I live in rural Mesquite nv which is 80 miles north of Las vegas and 40 miles south of st George ut along i-15. I would ride my bike to st george if i can plug it in using the j1772 adaptor plug while eating, shopping etc to give me enough charge to get home. Speed limit is 70-75 between here and st george, so I'd for sure run out of juice without putting a couple hours of charge in it.
Any I do would be appreciatiated.I don't have money to spend on a "charge tank" or a "power tank" nor do I want the extra weight.
"Authentication" means it reads your vehicle. Such as when I plug in my Tesla at a Supercharger. It means as soon as I plug in, they read my VIN number and know who I am automatically.
Usually the smaller J1772 240 VAC stations will work with your J1772 adapter, such as ChargePoint, Clipper Creek, Blink, GreenLots and others. But you may need to have an account with them first. Not all of them are free, but some are. The ones that authenticate probably won't fit your adapter anyway.
And there is a lot of info here. (https://www.plugshare.com/)
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The Tesla SuperCharger stations read your VIN etc. None of the level 2 stations do to my knowledge.
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Some of the older GE Wattstations required two way communication with the vehicle and won't work with the ZERO J1772 adapter. I have heard the newer stations will but I have never tried any of them.
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The short answer is that Zero states this so they are not held liable for a faulty product.
Most charging stations do not do this, so you should feel confident being able to use this, and any failures should be highly exceptional.
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Thanks guys for all the info. I feel much better about ordering the adaptor now. Since i dont do any real long road trips, it'll be fine for now and cheap.
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The adaptor used to cost $300 but is only $150 now from zero. When I emailed zero the same question, they didn't tell me anything usefull, so thank goodness for this forum.
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I bought mine used from another user on this forum. He purchased a charge tank so didn't need the adapter anymore. It works just fine for my purposes. About an hour for lunch and I'll have an additional ten miles of range and sometimes that ten miles is the difference between riding and walking if I haven't been paying attention.
Make sure you have the Plugshare app on your phone so you know where the local charging stations are. Closest one to my office is at the Tanger Outlet Mall near me. I can go have lunch while I top off the charge in the afternoon so I can take the long way home in the evening.
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I bought mine used from another user on this forum. He purchased a charge tank so didn't need the adapter anymore. It works just fine for my purposes. About an hour for lunch and I'll have an additional ten miles of range and sometimes that ten miles is the difference between riding and walking if I haven't been paying attention.
Make sure you have the Plugshare app on your phone so you know where the local charging stations are. Closest one to my office is at the Tanger Outlet Mall near me. I can go have lunch while I top off the charge in the afternoon so I can take the long way home in the evening.
Thanks. I remember seeing that discussion on here and appreciate you chiming in. I expected more than 10 miles per hour of charge as I get more than that at home. But its better than nothing. Maybe ill find a used charge tank someday.
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Thanks. I remember seeing that discussion on here and appreciate you chiming in. I expected more than 10 miles per hour of charge as I get more than that at home. But its better than nothing. Maybe ill find a used charge tank someday.
That's ten miles on the highway. More if you stick to the surface streets. Like I said, it makes a difference.
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I have two of them, one from Tucson EV and one from Zero
They seem to send a signal to the Charge Station as soon as plugged in.
I have used them both for several years and have never had an issue with
any of them. I live in Vegas, maybe I'll take a ride out there one day and ride with you.
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I've got the only Zero in mesquite. I wont be hard to find. Lol
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I live in Vegas, maybe I'll take a ride out there one day and ride with you.
Damn. I forgot to look you up when I was out there last week! I was on four wheels (Camaro convertible) since my wife can no longer climb on to a motorcycle anymore but it would've been fun to meet another Zero rider. We seem to be few and far between.
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I was in Vegas as well last weekend to actually meet another Zero owner. Time constraints prevented me this last time but I definitely want to go from Monterey Bay to Vegas on my Zero. I mapped out all the stops on PlugShare already. Looks like a good ride. Little boring through the desert mayhaps but I still wanna do it sometime this year.
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Sounds like fun.
I just ordered the adaptor plug from the dealer in Chandler AZ, it'll be shipped directly from Zero. The dealer in vegas doesn't take credit cards over the phone. How crazy is that? It's their loss.
Can't wait to take a short trip to st George ut once I get the plug. It's 45 miles away so just out of range for a round trip.
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You might also bring the standard power cord in case you find a place that will let you use their 5-15R.
Although I have always been too shy for that...
On PlugShare it appears there are three level 1 stations in St. George.
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There's almost always a wall outlet somewhere in the world. I think of it like 99.9% of wall outlets aren't on Plugshare because literally every home and business have wall outlets. I generally don't even bring a wall cord anywhere because there's almost always a J1772, Nema 15-50, or Tesla Destination station somewhere near where I've planned to be.
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There's almost always a wall outlet somewhere in the world. I think of it like 99.9% of wall outlets aren't on Plugshare because literally every home and business have wall outlets. I generally don't even bring a wall cord anywhere because there's almost always a J1772, Nema 15-50, or Tesla Destination station somewhere near where I've planned to be.
The problem is, MOST of those wall outlets accessible from outside of a building are hidden from view, or deactivated. This is from experience. I've found very few active external outlets, at least where I live. At least with the J1772 adapter I can top up if I'm running low.
OH! One more thing: Just because you have the adapter doesn't mean you'll be able to charge anywhere with it. You'll likely have to join a service so you can unlock the charger. I joined ChargePoint, which seems to be the dominant player around where I live but there are several different companies out there. See which one is the most prevalent in your region and join it.
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Yeah I have accounts with ChargePoint, PlugShare, and EVgo. PlugShare tends to be the most useful since it lets you pay for other company accounts like SemaConnect, etc. There’s a “pay with PlugShare†button for a lot of things.
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It's way too complicated. I can't wait for all chargers to standardize. I knew this would happen when tesla first started puting in their infrastructure.
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Ok. Well perhaps an electric vehicle isn't for you.
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I bought my Zero as a "Second motorcycle" even though I find myself riding it far more often than my primary. The reason being, MOST of my riding are relatively short (under 100 miles). Commuting back and forth to work, shopping, running errands, etc. With that in mind, I had no need for fast charging; running it around all day, then plugging in overnight works perfectly for me. The J1772 adapter comes in handy for those rare times I'm NOT paying attention.
Long trips are still the main purpose of my trusty old (and I DO mean "old") K1200LT. In really bad weather, the Subaru comes into the forefront. I'm still looking at getting a Yamaha XMAX 300 to split the difference between the K1200LT and the Zero but that's on hold for the time being.
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Here's mine in action this afternoon.
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Ok. Well perhaps an electric vehicle isn't for you.
I love my Zero and am fo.e not touring with it. There are currently plug wars between auto manufactures going on but eventually will sta.fardize to 1-2 different plugs, but who will win and who will lose in the lo g run. It's just like the vhs vs beta war of the 80's.
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There will probably always be the need for one slow method of charging (commonly found at home, offices and parking lots) and one fast method of charging (Gas Station equivalent especially along interstates). The distinction is already getting ingrained. My Chevy Bolt has a 60 kW battery and can charge 7.7 kW at Level 2, or 50 kW at CCS.
Standards for the US and Europe will always differ, and probably Japan/etc. It seems a mutual goal never to cooperate on any international standard (the exception being Internet protocols).
J1772 and Mennekes may already be long term standards for slow charging (80 A, 20 kW). These formats already max out various practical limits in environments where slow charging is used. I would bet that further iterations of that standard will add little more than horrible bidirectional data modulation schemes in order to add features backward compatibly (think what happened with NTSC!)
DC fast charging has a ways to go. Even 10 minutes is too long for people in line at fueling stations.