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Energica / Re: 21,5 kWh battery - Real-life capacity 17,4 kWh
« on: October 14, 2022, 05:49:48 PM »
At the end of the day I don't care how much i put into the battery, it's what comes out of it that counts. My 2016 DSR did my commute but barely, getting me to work often with only 1% left. The 13kWh battery then consumed 11kWh max, with the charging efficiency that means (90% of 11kWh) 9.9kWh reaches the cells.
On the SR/S not much of a difference, also just made it to work with the 15.6kWh battery but with 10% left. Charged with 12,8kWh means 12,7KwH reaches the cells.
The Ribelle takes 14.7kWh for the same distance, but at very different speeds. On the Zero's 100km/h was pushing your luck and if there was no traffic I could not make it to work or home. On the Ribelle I drive 10km/h faster than allowed fairly constantly. I arrive with 20% or more left. So my Ribelle is 14,7/.8 * .9 =  16.5kWh net, extrapolating the 20% left and a charging efficiency of 90%.

Every EV builder gives you flaky numbers, look at the ranges they predict which nobody ever gets in the real world, or charge speeds, or battery capacity. What matters to me, is that I comfortably do 150km highway at highway speeds and then have enough left to find a charger.

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Energica / Re: Plug and Charge Capabilities?
« on: October 12, 2022, 01:04:00 PM »
It's there and it should work, several providers in EU are supporting it. Never tested it though.

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Have it, never used it as such ;) The dongle is usable with Hans Capelle's app so that's why I bought it. I can test it tomorrow if you like, got a commute then.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Money for Zero might get you CCS
« on: October 06, 2022, 12:18:37 PM »
In case anyone was wondering, here's a design guide for CCS:
https://tesla.o.auroraobjects.eu/Design_Guide_Combined_Charging_System_V3_1_1.pdf

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Buy Sell Trade / Old commuter screen for free
« on: October 03, 2022, 05:11:15 PM »
Hey all,

Just found my old commuter screen and since I have no need for it it can go on to the next one. It's well used over 3 years but with a little tlc it could look pretty nice I guess. First one to pay for shipping can have it. Given away as-is in the picture so no hex mounting bolts, but they are sourced easily. My location is western Netherlands, so you can see if the shipping is worth it ;)



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Damon / Re: HyperSport on the Dyno
« on: October 03, 2022, 02:58:27 PM »
Totally depends on the bike. My Energica happily wheelies when going 130kph and pulls like a donkey all the way up to 200kph. If the bike's motor maxes out at top speed you're right but if it is limited only on top end it goes until the software tells it to stop ;)

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Money for Zero might get you CCS
« on: October 03, 2022, 02:50:01 PM »
CCS is only complicated from the EVSE's point of view, from the  vehicle it's a lot less complicated. AFAICR it uses powerline ethernet to establish a vehicle connection, the vehicle handshakes on a current and a voltage and off it goes. Along the handshakes following, the vehicle reports SoC and current/voltage adjustments and that's it.
Electronically it can all be done. Most chargers rectify the 'raw' AC, then generate a high(ish) frequency for transformation, then re-rectify to DC for charging. The input of most switching power supplies (Which a charger mostly is) is DC capable because of this. Since Zero's chargers work from 110-230V it might be possible to convince a CCS station to give out 200/230V and feed it to the chargers. This was one of the paths I travelled to get ChaDeMo to go when Zero decided to stop supporting it, but then CCS took over and I gave up because of the rather involved way of handshaking.
And thats where the trouble starts; Since CCS expects a battery on the DC terminals and not a charger, some magic has to be done to convince the CCS to start.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Money for Zero might get you CCS
« on: October 01, 2022, 10:50:48 PM »
AFAIK, CCS minimum voltage is 200V and the Zero's battery tops out at ~116V so this could be achieved in two ways: Completely redesign the drivetrain to run more than 200V, or use a DC-capable charger that would accept 110/230V AC for level 2 chargers or 200v and upwards DC for level 3 charging. Since CCS appears to use a direct battery connection, the DC-DC option is not as simple as it sounds... Sure hope they'll incorporate CCS, it would make the pool of motorcycles i'd consider for the next bikes a bit bigger.

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Energica / Re: Gearing Change Results
« on: September 30, 2022, 06:04:32 PM »
My commute on my Ribelle is 95 miles (144 km) and I get there with 15% left. Commute is 95% highway at 62mph, but I do the distance @68mph according to my Garmin GPS. Slightly better, but not much. Extrapolating I get 95/85*100 = 112 miles of range.

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Energica / Re: Tutoro chain oiler installation
« on: September 26, 2022, 07:58:38 PM »
I have 10kkm on it since installation and everything looks fine to me. On a bicycle I ride with waxed chains but can't be bothered to re-apply wax every time it rains here ;) Cleaning the rims is a breeze compared to spray can lubes, and the rim is far enough from the chain to not pick up too much oil anyway. I'm happy with the system ;)

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The lack of 'fast charging' is a bit of a use case thing I think. For us Europeans the AC charging makes some sense when doing long non-highway trips since western Europe is riddled with 11/22kW AC charging stations (You'll need the 22KW ones to make full advantage of a 13kW charger). Fill times will still be steep with a max of 12.6kW charging a 15.6kWh battery but better   than the 6kW of the current DSR offerings.

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I learned at the launch event in Sicily from a journalist that spent significant time on bikes with CCS/DCFC that the 22kW charge power is overstated as he mentioned in most cases his bike would only charge at 4-6kW due to battery temperature limits.  So... CCS certainly expands the available infrastructure (by ~10%) one can use and provides higher peaks in ideal conditions, but I wonder if this inconvenient truth about other factors tends to be left out of other OEs marketing talking points...

This guy better call the dealer then, his battery is broken. My DCFC motorcycle charges with a normal battery around 27kW and when the battery is warm that drops to 14kW, at which point it's full. And the infrastructure point is completely dependent on where you live, in western Europe the providers are removing 11kW+ 3-phase chargers from fast charge stations because nobody uses them anymore (Fastned, anyone), given the much broader acceptance of CCS here. Not to mention we can use Tesla SC, which dramatically increases the number of chargers. In urban areas there is an abundance of 11kW 3-phase stations and about 10% 22kW stations, but if you're travelling more than a charge worth on the highway then you'd have to leave the highway and head into town to get a fast(er) charge. I have owned a DSR with 8kW charging and used a SR/S full option for about 6 weeks so been there, done that.

Speaking if inconvenient thruths, have you fixed the magic charging yet?

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Magic charging fix SR/F
« on: September 12, 2022, 06:38:42 PM »
If Farasis is providing the bricks as an assembled unit, then it might be that behind the scenes Zero is fighting a battle to get this issue to be determined battery-related. And Farasis might be blaming the software.

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Energica / Re: I cant get linear acceleration Eva 107kw, 2019
« on: September 06, 2022, 05:28:25 PM »
In my experience the TC is bothering you there. As soon as there is a hint of traction loss it'll drop power and then build up again. Set TC to 1 and try again. Spoiler alert: Going WOT in an instant might lift the front wheel. Take care.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: DeltaQ vs OBC charging
« on: September 06, 2022, 05:21:51 PM »
Back in the days (Last year :P) I had my OBC on a power plug monitoring current and voltage (And thus wattage) and the OBC in my case started tapering at 96%ish on my MY16 DSR-ZF13.

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