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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: Moto7575 on September 23, 2022, 02:12:30 AM

Title: CCS for Zero ?
Post by: Moto7575 on September 23, 2022, 02:12:30 AM
Here is the list of new zeros codes...
Title: Re: CCS for Zero ?
Post by: Richard230 on September 23, 2022, 03:20:25 AM
Not functioning or not existing?   ::)
Title: Re: CCS for Zero ?
Post by: 2020_SRS_Commuter on September 23, 2022, 08:17:17 AM
Hi I'm dumb what does CCS stand for?
Title: Re: CCS for Zero ?
Post by: NEW2elec on September 23, 2022, 08:23:34 AM
It stands for Combined Charging System.  Also know as level 3 DC fast charging.

Interesting find Moto7575 i bet you had a full basket of Easter Eggs when you were a kid too.
Title: Re: CCS for Zero ?
Post by: DonTom on September 23, 2022, 10:10:33 AM
Hi I'm dumb what does CCS stand for?
CCS is what my Energica has. Fast DC charging or slow j-1772 AC charging plugging into the bike using the same inlet thingy as it is "combined".


Also used in many cars, such as my 2022 Chevy Bolt.


See here. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System)


-Don-  Reno, NV




Title: Re: CCS for Zero ?
Post by: EVFX on September 23, 2022, 10:16:23 AM
With the addition of DC Fast Charging we should see an increase in pack voltage, right?
Title: Re: CCS for Zero ?
Post by: DonTom on September 23, 2022, 12:28:07 PM
With the addition of DC Fast Charging we should see an increase in pack voltage, right?
CCS likes to see at least 150 VDC. For Zero to change to CCS, they would have to redesign just about everything electrical inside their bikes. Zero batteries are below 120 VDC even when fully charged.


-Don-  Reno, NV
Title: Re: CCS for Zero ?
Post by: SandyGnomes on September 23, 2022, 01:33:33 PM
One of the faults is for CCS DC-DC converter, my guess would be they are keeping the batteries the same and using this to change the voltage.  I believe Porsche do something similar but the other way round as their batteries are 800V but most CCS chargers can't go this high.
Title: Re: CCS for Zero ?
Post by: karlh on September 23, 2022, 03:52:31 PM
Those codes (60, 61, 62) are in the Owner's Manual for my 2020 SR/S, so Zero has been sitting on this for some time.
Title: Re: CCS for Zero ?
Post by: SandyGnomes on September 23, 2022, 06:34:24 PM
I'd never spotted them in the manual before.  I must have only looked up the ones I'd seen.
Title: Re: CCS for Zero ?
Post by: Richard230 on September 23, 2022, 07:48:48 PM
It could be that those codes are a leftover from the one year in the past (2013?) when Zero tried to use CCS as an extra cost option to charge their bikes using that system before they realized that most CCS chargers were not compatible with their 115V battery packs.
Title: Re: CCS for Zero ?
Post by: NEW2elec on September 23, 2022, 09:30:21 PM
It could be that those codes are a leftover from the one year in the past (2013?) when Zero tried to use CCS as an extra cost option to charge their bikes using that system before they realized that most CCS chargers were not compatible with their 115V battery packs.
No that was Chademo which has it's own funky little plug.
Title: Re: CCS for Zero ?
Post by: SandyGnomes on September 23, 2022, 11:37:22 PM
It could be that those codes are a leftover from the one year in the past (2013?) when Zero tried to use CCS as an extra cost option to charge their bikes using that system before they realized that most CCS chargers were not compatible with their 115V battery packs.
No that was Cademo which has it's own funky little plug.
And supports discharging, but EU chose CCS.  Not sure how Chademo did in USA though.
Title: Re: CCS for Zero ?
Post by: GoneToPlaid on September 25, 2022, 02:03:11 AM
In the US, I think the only significant user of CHAdeMO was the Nissan Leaf. Nissan has since moved to CCS for other EVs, and when they stop making the Leaf I think that will be it for CHAdeMO here.
Title: Re: CCS for Zero ?
Post by: JaimeC on September 25, 2022, 03:01:46 AM
In the US, I think the only significant user of CHAdeMO was the Nissan Leaf. Nissan has since moved to CCS for other EVs, and when they stop making the Leaf I think that will be it for CHAdeMO here.

Which is pretty funny considering Energica announced ChaDeMo compatibility earlier this year!
Title: Re: CCS for Zero ?
Post by: electrictwowheeler on September 25, 2022, 03:11:36 AM
In the US, I think the only significant user of CHAdeMO was the Nissan Leaf. Nissan has since moved to CCS for other EVs, and when they stop making the Leaf I think that will be it for CHAdeMO here.

Many new DC chargers in my area ( Oregon ) now have both types of plugs or there is at least one unit in a group with a Chademo plug so Chademo is not dead but it seems inevitable that it will disappear, but not yet.
Title: Re: CCS for Zero ?
Post by: DonTom on September 25, 2022, 12:58:01 PM
Which is pretty funny considering Energica announced ChaDeMo compatibility earlier this year!
Here in the USA, the norm just a couple of years ago was to have CCS on one side, CHAdeMO on the other of each (non-Tesla) DC charger.


Now it's common for there to be four CCS chargers, CCS on BOTH sides on three of them and one charger with CCS on one side and CHAdeMO on the other side.


IOW, seven CCS and one CHAdeMO.


I assume when I see this, both charge hoses can be used at the same time, unlike before. The norm used to be if you needed CCS and somebody else was using the CHAdeMO on the same charger, you were out of luck.


It would make no sense at all to have two CCS charge hoses if only one could be used.


-Don-  Auburn, CA