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Author Topic: New title: Battery board damaged during firmware update?  (Read 1469 times)

Specter

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Re: Firmware update destroyed my battery and Zero will not replace it
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2023, 12:01:32 PM »

Well, it might be safe to play with if you have to revive it.

https://dragonflyenergy.com/types-of-lithium-batteries-guide/

https://www.grepow.com/blog/different-types-of-lithium-polymer-batteries.html

just some more general battery info

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Re: New title: Battery damaged during firmware update
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2023, 05:46:30 AM »

I got the bike back today from the dealer.  The situation is much less dire than I had understood it to be.  Unfortunately, all the information I have about the incident is third hand, but I think I have a better understanding of it now.
Since I got home without incident, the problem that stranded me after the firmware update seems to have been fixed when the battery management board was replaced.
The state of the "bad" battery as I understand it from the dealer is that it is charging, but that the bike cannot balance the two batteries with each other because the "bad" battery is so much weaker than the "good" battery.  Apparently Zero told the dealer that the "bad" battery had been degrading for a while (as determined from the logs).  The dealer indicated that the bike may be able to get some use out of the "bad" battery, but he did not know how much.
Tracking the battery usage on the way home from the dealer seems to indicate that the battery behavior is roughly comparable to the behavior before the firmware update.
The dealer also said that they had spent upwards of twenty hours with Zero working this all through.  I did not owe the dealer anything when I picked up the bike.  Hopefully the dealer is being reimbursed for their time.
To their credit, Zero did spend a lot of effort on this and it looks like the bike was returned in roughly the condition I left it in.  They paid to have the battery management board replaced, which fixed the problem that stranded me.  In the end, the "bad" battery was not "destroyed", but just weak.
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TheRan

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Re: New title: Battery board damaged during firmware update?
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2023, 11:32:54 AM »

Well that's interesting, because the batteries are balanced separately because they each have their own BMS. You could run the bike on just one battery for five years and then go and buy a brand new second one and of course they would be in different states of wear. Zero designed the bike with this use case in mind (I'm pretty sure they've said the "buy small now, upgrade later" line before) so they bike should function fine with two mismatched batteries. You'll just get the performance of the weakest battery, i.e. if one of them has 80% the capacity of a new one then you'll get 80% of the capacity of two batteries even in the second one is 100%.
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Re: New title: Battery board damaged during firmware update?
« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2023, 10:53:29 PM »

That makes sense to me.  Unfortunately, as I said, I get information third-hand  and could be mis-understanding some things as well.
Funny (sad) aside: when I got home and connected my phone to download logs, it told me there is a new code update.  I think I'll be ignoring these reminders.
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