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The 100%-->98% after standing and some cooling down is totally normal behaviour. The limp mode at 39% is absolutely not normal and sounds like one or more cells reach lower safety limit. Unfortunately I cannot judge battery balance and cell health, but you should really contact the dealer in writing. If you balance the battery multiple times (cycle balancing again when full, apply low amps), maybe you can improve.  I do agree with you that the bikes have too many digital glitches. I think Energica know, but struggle with man power.

The BMW Ce04 aint exactly flawless, after an extensive series of charging errors we had the charge controller replaced in ours...which would be a $4000 item out of war

I find the BMW much more stable unit . I can agree on the back lights - they are plastic that only waits to break but the rest is really hands down for the BMW . you push a buttons and the screens run in front of your eyes . everything works flawlessly . I don't think BMW is charging only to 0.8C . I read somewhere that they make their own batteries. compartment size is better than the zero compartment in the energica . but I don't really care about all that . i am talking about the stability of the system. the flow of the ride . i get msgs all the time about missing FOB key , to release the back brake , at 39% Limp mode , i got in both motorcycles cut offs ( on the ribelle it almost cost me my life the first time ) . So far zero issues with the BMW vs. so many issues with the energica . at least for me with the bikes I had .

I admit I got the BMW brand new and the Energicas came pre owned . 

the Ribelle didn't reach 100% . would stop always at 96% after that 90%, 88% and back 96 . the ss9 gets to 100% but when I want to ride in the morning it starts from 98% . to day i was riding and at 39% i get the limp msg . I wish it was at 3% . 39% limp mode !

I bought ribelle 2023 with 1700 miles . got 3 cut offs . never charged to 100% .

Can you please explain what you mean with 'never charged to 100%'? Did you never charge it to 100% yourself (SOC limit applied) or did the bike stop charging before 100%? If you don't charge to 100% regularly, or before every ride, cells will develop unbalance, resulting in cell voltage warning messages in lower-mid SOC.

Last Friday I have driven my bike home to 1% SOC. Only at 3% SOC I got the cell voltage message and short limp mode (was applying full throttle). My bike has 42.000 km on the odometer.
 

 

The BMW Ce04 aint exactly flawless, after an extensive series of charging errors we had the charge controller replaced in ours...which would be a $4000 item out of warranty. Then it happened again, also replaced under warranty. I note the second unit has a different part number, which seems to be a tacit acknowledgement they had a bad design that needed changing. From just a few interactions with other owners in Aus, it seems there has indeed been a high percentage of charge controller issues.

The BMW will does get noticebly less brisk under 50%, forcibly limits speeds to 110km/h under 30%, and i think its either 50km/h or 60km/h when it hits 15%. It will absolutely suddenly lose speed at those SOCs, scared the shit out of me the first time I found that out (its not in the owners manual)

The BMW does away with the obvious balacing by generally charging at a vastly lower C-rate (less than 0.8C), reserving a portion of the battery capacity (around 5%) and most critically by not display when it is balancing, it does it without telling you. Also AC ONLY charging using your own on-board unit, that only ever sees your battery is much simpler that DCFC.

$ for $ the enegica offers vastly superior performance, specification and range (although I totally agree on the screen and UI, it makes the hand-me-down aprillia screen on the energicas look like toys for poor kiddies). The suspension on the BMW is....adequate. The front brake is awesome, but do not take it on a track day, its only good for a few big stops.

BMW $774.19/kw power - Energica ss9 $587.5/kw power
BMW $2696.63/kwh battery - Energica $2186.0/kwh battery
BMW JJuan vs Energica Brembo
BMW homebrand basics suspension vs Energica Ohlins

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Three other complaints, the lovely bright headlight will be full of condensation for a week after rain, the rear indicators will break off if a pedestrian looks at them too hard (at a $200 replacement cost) and the storage compartment sized exactly to not fit a helmet will jam shut randomly.

the only positive thing in the ordeal is the dealership that was great and wants to help. but what can they do when bike after bike fail? the problem is they are very far from me - like 5 hours drive so no immediate ability to come and get service .

both 43. well maybe I got the lemon ones .

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Ok well none of our bikes are doing that which is probably why there aren't lots of posts like this in the forum.

I bought ribelle 2023 with 1700 miles . got 3 cut offs . never charged to 100% . always some funny msgs about key not found and rear brake not released . returned to dealer who gave me 2023 ss9 with 6000 miles . again cut off and msgs about key and balancing issues where it takes forever to balance . also when it reach 40% suddenly drop in power and msg on the screen . you can be riding 70 MPH between trucks and the bike will lose power and go to some UM mode or something like that ! who is the idiot that thought it's a good idea to risk me like that?
in comparison I have the BMW CE 04 . what a pleasure . no balancing - no nothing . just take and ride . reliable . no funny msgs and no cutoffs and no sudden cut in power when reaching 40% . yes when you get to 20% the acceleration is weaker but no sudden drop in power . Energica should buy one BMW and ride it for few weeks and understand how electric motorcycle should be flawless .

the energica reminds my EUC unicycles made in china I used to ride . they try to push the largest battery available without the system around it that support it like good battery management and reliable power lines . and of course cut offs and people falling on their face .

the price of the BMW is half from the energica  - I am not even talking about the TFT screen in the BMW that looks so futuristic  - and you get in the energica a products that doesn't show the stability you expect from a 26,000$ product.

Do you have the version 43 FW in those Energicas? See if you have an "about" listed somewhere with the FW number. If it does NOT show as "43", including if not found anywhere at all, you have the older FW that is full of bugs and especially when charging.


The FW will fix most, if not all of those issues.


-Don-  Auburn, CA