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Author Topic: On-board charger replacement options  (Read 4848 times)

droidish

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Re: On-board charger replacement options
« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2019, 11:41:44 PM »

Here is the new version of the charger. Note the model number on the case.

I was a little alarmed to see that my new charger has “Revision A” just like the original failed unit.

But if 45-08234 is the model number on yours, then maybe the 45-08253 number on mine indicates even further development and improvement.
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Re: On-board charger replacement options
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2019, 02:47:49 AM »

Here is the new version of the charger. Note the model number on the case.

I was a little alarmed to see that my new charger has “Revision A” just like the original failed unit.

But if 45-08234 is the model number on yours, then maybe the 45-08253 number on mine indicates even further development and improvement.

The model number is EVC-116-1300. The older chargers had a model number of EVC-116-1200. I have no idea what the 45-08234 or your 45-08253 number represents.  Perhaps it is the serial number of the particular unit.  ???  And the Revision letter is really a mystery to me.
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Re: On-board charger replacement options
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2019, 03:08:39 AM »

The 45- number is the Zero part number and the EVC- number is the manufacturer part number. You can see the part numbers on AF1 Racing's site.I suspect droidish is right, perhaps they did make a significant change
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Re: On-board charger replacement options
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2019, 07:31:04 AM »

I finally got around to taking a picture of my new charger.
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Re: On-board charger replacement options
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2019, 12:01:18 PM »

If those numbers are correct it seems this charger is 95,186% efficient..
Not bad..
Let's hope it lasts longer than previous generations. :)
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Re: On-board charger replacement options
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2019, 07:52:53 PM »

I finally got around to taking a picture of my new charger.

That looks like an even newer version that the one that I bought only 6 months ago.  Kind of suspicious that the charger keeps being revised.  I wonder what was wrong with Model 1300?   ???

I guess you just can't get good Chinese (or are they Canadian?) chargers anymore.   ::)
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Re: On-board charger replacement options
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2019, 09:05:17 PM »

Kind of suspicious that the charger keeps being revised.  I wonder what was wrong with Model 1300?   ???
I have noticed countless items never stop changing--and I don't mean just with motorcycles, but with almost anything mechanical or electronic. And often with the exact same model number where some change was made at a certain serial number.  I have no idea why such changes are made. Often seems just to be for the change and no other reason.

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Re: On-board charger replacement options
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2019, 03:15:33 AM »

Kind of suspicious that the charger keeps being revised.  I wonder what was wrong with Model 1300?   ???
I have noticed countless items never stop changing--and I don't mean just with motorcycles, but with almost anything mechanical or electronic. And often with the exact same model number where some change was made at a certain serial number.  I have no idea why such changes are made. Often seems just to be for the change and no other reason.

-Don-  Reno, NV

Gotta keep those company engineers and product developers busy.   ;)
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Re: On-board charger replacement options
« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2019, 12:17:33 PM »

Well, you often can make the shell cheaper, the traces skinnier, fewer twists and turns, easier on the assemblers (be they robots or humans) and all that changes the revision.

Iterations are much quicker now a days and dies aren't used as long because tolerances are tighter.  Anything to shave a penny on the unit.

Like, has anyone noticed socks tend to have fewer threads in them than before?  Or sheets have more, but are using poorer quality threads?  Suppliers are always dinking around trying to game the system.

It's just life moving.  Evolution in process.
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Re: On-board charger replacement options
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2019, 12:55:11 AM »

That looks like an even newer version that the one that I bought only 6 months ago.  Kind of suspicious that the charger keeps being revised.  I wonder what was wrong with Model 1300?   ???

I guess you just can't get good Chinese (or are they Canadian?) chargers anymore.   ::)

Did your new charger come with a new cord?
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Re: On-board charger replacement options
« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2019, 03:50:13 AM »

That looks like an even newer version that the one that I bought only 6 months ago.  Kind of suspicious that the charger keeps being revised.  I wonder what was wrong with Model 1300?   ???

I guess you just can't get good Chinese (or are they Canadian?) chargers anymore.   ::)

Did your new charger come with a new cord?

Yes it did come with a new cord that connected to the back of the chassis power connection port. It also came with a black box attached to the power cord, which is something that the earlier model chargers did not have. I think that box might suppress sparks when the power cord from the home outlet is connected to the bike.  See attached photo.
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Re: On-board charger replacement options
« Reply #41 on: September 21, 2019, 04:44:10 AM »

Just had the charger suddenly go dead on my 2015 SR. Took it to the local dealer for diagnosis. I figured it was the fuse since it died suddenly, but they say it's the charger, with a quote of $1400 or something to replace. I just drive it 20-30 miles per day around Chicago, so I declined that. Instead i asked how much the DeltaQ would be. They seemed rather confident that wouldn't work, but I see no reason it wouldn't as discussed in this thread.
I should be able to just remove the onboard charger and use the DeltaQ, right? Am I missing something, or going crazy?
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Re: On-board charger replacement options
« Reply #42 on: September 21, 2019, 04:51:48 AM »

Just had the charger suddenly go dead on my 2015 SR. Took it to the local dealer for diagnosis. I figured it was the fuse since it died suddenly, but they say it's the charger, with a quote of $1400 or something to replace. I just drive it 20-30 miles per day around Chicago, so I declined that. Instead i asked how much the DeltaQ would be. They seemed rather confident that wouldn't work, but I see no reason it wouldn't as discussed in this thread.
I should be able to just remove the onboard charger and use the DeltaQ, right? Am I missing something, or going crazy?

I bought my charger from AF1 in Texas for $800 earlier this year.  You can install the charger yourself in about 2 hours with common tools. The only hard part is hooking up the charger's new connectors to the bike's electrical connections, which requires nimble fingers and some effort to push the connections back together. When removing the old charger take a photo of the connections and wire routing which may help you when routing the new charger's wires and connecting the to the bike's wiring system.  If I can do it anyone can.  ;)  However, it does help to have a second person there for moral support and to hold the charger box in place while you screw in its fasteners. 
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Re: On-board charger replacement options
« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2019, 05:49:53 AM »

Yeah it looks like a fairly easy job. I had the big Anderson connector out when running my own simple diagnostics. Only the socket plug looks like it could be a pain. But I think the DeltaQ would be a better option for me: cheaper, less weight on the bike, and seemingly more durable/reliable.
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Re: On-board charger replacement options
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2020, 05:50:51 PM »

Would the DeltaQ charger fit in the same space as the Calex one?
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