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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Another Premature Belt Failure
« on: March 14, 2019, 11:26:33 PM »
As I was riding home from work yesterday as part of my daily commute, I gave my DSR a little burst of throttle and heard the telltale snap and immediate rev of the motor.  I knew right away that I had broken the drive belt.  Luckily, it was a nice day in Cincinnati and it was on a side street near where I work.  I had my daughter pick me up and then came back with my pickup truck to fetch it.  I was only about 6 miles from home.  It could have been a lot worse.

I bought my DSR new and only have around 3,900 miles on it.  I take really good care of the belt.  I keep it adjusted properly, keep it centered on the rear sprocket, and spray the belt and sprockets every couple of weeks with dry silicone.  My riding is 100% asphalt so this sure seems like a premature failure to me.

I have a call into my Zero dealer and they are checking to see if Zero will cover it under warranty.  I’m only looking for Zero to provide a new belt.  I will take care of installing it.

If I’m only going to get around 4K miles out of the drive belt then I can see a chain conversion in the future.  I don't have a lot of confidence in the belt right now.  The small sprocket in the front can't be that good for it.  Design issue?

I'll follow up with what Zero says when I hear back from them.

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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Easily Convert Any LED Bulb to Dual Intensity
« on: December 13, 2018, 01:59:43 AM »
I used this circuit splitter to convert the front turn signals on my 2017 DSR to running/turn signals after replacing the stock bulbs with LED bulbs.  This is an easy and cheap way to convert any LED bulb to dual intensity.  It won't work with incandescent bulbs.

https://chromeglow.com/products/wiring-controls/turn-signal-circuits/dual-element-circuits/

All you do is connect the red wire to the turn signal positive and the orange wire to a constant 12V source.  The single red wire on the other end connects to the turn signal stalk.  I used the positive on the small running light above the headlight for the constant 12V source.  The red wire passes directly through the splitter at full intensity.  The orange wire passes through a resistor to provide about 50% intensity.

There are different models numbers for the circuit splitter depending on the number of LEDS you are trying to control.  I bought the one for 15-25 LED's and it is working fine except the bulb on one of the turn signals flickers a little bit when in running light mode.  I'm pretty sure the issue is with the bulb and not with the splitter or wiring because it does the same thing when I switch the bulb to the other turn signal.  The other bulb works fine in both running and turn signal mode in either turn signal.

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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Stebel Air Horn Installation with Pics
« on: October 23, 2018, 11:48:06 PM »
I chose the Stebel Compact Tuning horn for my installation because it has a more durable finish and is supposed to be more weather resistant than the standard Nautilus horn.

http://www.stebel.it/stebel/products.asp?IDserie=14&uso=&tipologia=TUNING

The installation is fairly straightforward.  The kit comes with a relay and mounting hardware.  I recently installed Zero drop bars on my 2017 DSR and the small bracket on the left drop bar provided a perfect location for mounting the horn.  Otherwise, installing the horn is a bit of a challenge because there just aren’t many good places to mount it on these naked bikes.  Without the drop bars, I probably would have mounted it in the space just below the steering head and above the front fender.

I used the auxiliary terminal block that I recently installed as the source for the positive and negative lead wires for the horn.  The horn draws a lot of power, something like 18A, which of course it is only momentary.  Nonetheless, I would not try powering the horn from the 10A accessory plug on the bike.  My terminal block pulls power directly from the DC-DC converter and has a 30A fuse.  See this thread for more details.

http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=8402.0

The first thing you’ll want to do is remove the seat and tank cover in order to access space for the wiring and relay.  The next thing you’ll want to do is remove the OEM horn and disconnect it from the two lead wires.

I first ran a black negative wire directly from the negative spade connector on the horn to the negative side of my terminal block.  You could also pick up the negative lead for the horn from the 10A SAE accessory plug if you don’t want to install a terminal block.  I used 12-gauge wire for all of my wiring.

For the positive connection, you’ll need to use the supplied 4-pin relay.  I located the relay in the front right side area of the cavity below the tank cover.  It’s hard to make out in the photo but it’s the small black cube with the two red wires going to it.  I ran a red positive lead from the positive side of my terminal block to the #30 pin on the relay.  If you don’t want to install a terminal block you can pull the positive power directly from the top of the fuse box, like I did to power the terminal block, and run that to the #30 pin on the relay.  If you use this method you’ll also need to splice in a fuse holder and fuse.  I can’t remember if the Stebel horn kit came with a fuse holder or not, but if not then an inline 25A fuse should do.  I then ran a red positive wire from the #87 pin on the relay to the positive spade connector on the horn.

The next thing I did was to pull the wiring harness for the old horn back up into the cavity space below the tank cover.  In the photo, it’s the wires with the black mesh sleeve around them that I have secured with white wire ties.  The two horn wires connect to the #85 and #86 pins on the relay.  It doesn’t matter which wire is connected to which pin.  One wire supplies the ground for the relay and the other supplies the trigger current that allows the main current to flow through the relay and power the horn.

Now just tidy up the wiring, button everything back up, and you’re done.  And by the way, this horn is extremely loud so be careful when testing it out.

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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Auxiliary Terminal Block Installation with Pics
« on: October 22, 2018, 11:40:08 PM »
I like to run an auxiliary terminal block on my ICE bikes to land all of my accessory connections so I don’t have bunch of connectors stacked up on the battery terminals and with the use of a relay I can have both switched and unswitched terminals.  It’s cheap and provides a tidy way to organize all of your accessory connections.  However, on the Zero it becomes more of a necessity since there are no battery terminals that you can directly connect to.  Here is the terminal block that I used.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UWVYA30/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

You’ll also need to buy a jumper strip to provide continuity between terminals.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0143YQ9OE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

With the jumper, you can typically decide how many terminals you want to be positive or negative and whether you want the positive terminal switched or unswitched.  However, on the Zero all of the terminals are inherently switched (i.e. powered when you turn the key on), so there is no need for a relay.  There is a video on the unofficial manual to shows how the get an “always on” power source, but that requires jumping the DC-DC converter which I didn’t want to get in to.  Plus the only device I can think of where I would want constant power is for a 12V power outlet.

The way the terminal block works is the terminals across from each other are connected, but the terminals next to each other are not.  Here’s where the jumper comes in.  Depending on how you cut up the jumper determines what grouping of terminals have continuity.  I just cut mine in half and made one half of the terminal block positive and the other half negative.  The terminal block has 16 screw posts so there are 8 positive and 8 negative connection points.  That is enough terminals to connect 7 different accessories (if you exclude the two terminals for the main + and – wires), which is more than enough.

I located the terminal block in the rear tail section, which fit nicely and provided easy access by only having to remove the seat.  I used a piece of red shrink tubing which I cut in half and wrapped around the positive side of the jumper to identify that portion as positive.  The photo shows the terminal block after I connected my Stebel air horn and Heise daytime running lights, which I'll describe in a separate thread.

I ran the main black negative wire to the terminal block using the negative side of the OEM SAE accessory connector.  I bought a quick disconnect cable, cut it in half, and then cut off the red positive wire.  I then spliced on a 12 AWG wire, added a ring connector, and ran the wire to the negative side of the terminal block.  Sorry I don't have a photo of the SAE connection, but it's very straightforward.  Just plug and play.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GK9HV56/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

For the main positive wire, I tapped into the top side of the OEM fuse block similar to the method described here.

https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Common_Modifications#New_Circuits

I then ran 12 AWG red positive wire with a ring connector to the positive side of the terminal block and spliced in a 30A fuse.

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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Zero Drop Bar Installation on DSR with Pics
« on: October 04, 2018, 09:53:07 PM »
The drop bars from Zero don't come with any instructions, but fortunately there is installation information available in the Unofficial Manual and other sources online.  The installation is fairly simple, but I thought I would provide some tips and watch-outs to help make the installation go smoothly for others.
 
Brian Rice, feel free to use any of this information to update the Wiki.
 
Before you start, make sure you have a 3mm hex socket (especially if you will be removing the skid plate) and the special tool for removing the factory plastic plugs that cover the threaded mounting inserts on the skid plate and frame.  I bought this one from Amazon and put tape around the base to help keep it from scratching – see photo.
 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0779KWP8J/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
If you don’t care about ruining the plugs then you could probably just grab them with a needle nose pliers and pull them out.  I plan on reusing the plugs for another project so I wanted to keep them intact.
 
The drop bar kit comes with a separate metal skid plate, which you may or may not have to use depending on your model.  If your bike already has the metal skid plate on it (like mine does) then you do not need to install the new one.  If you do need to replace it, this is where the 3mm hex socket comes in.  There are 8 button head screws attaching the skid plate, which are a real pain to remove if you try using an allen key.  There is also one attaching a ground wire to one of the threaded frame inserts on the left side (at least on my bike anyway).  Be careful, the screws are small so you don’t want to torque them down too much.
 
The kit also comes with two L brackets (left and right) that attach to the upper frame.  These L brackets are used for attaching the cross bar and upper mounting point of the drop bars.  While it is true they can only go on one way, I had to fuss with them for a while before I got it right.  Make sure the large hole in the bracket is facing forward and the leg on the bracket with the hole is on the outside of the frame – see photo.

Also note there is a small bracket welded to the left drop bar that I assumed was for relocating the horn.  That's what I used it for anyway.

The fender on my DSR came very close to hitting the cross bar so I bought some longer bolts and spacers at Home Depot to lower the fender to gain some additional clearance – see photo.
 
Well that’s about it.  Very easy install and drop bars lined up perfectly.  The finish is so so.  My drop bars came with a number of scratches on them, which I assume was from hitting against each other during packaging and shipping so the packaging could be better.  I touched them up with some satin black paint so it’s not so noticeable.

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For those who may be interested, this Nissin 11mm front brake master cyclinder is now on sale at Webike Japan for $101 including shipping to the US.  I had one on my Zero FXS before it got totaled and really liked it.  I'll probably pick up another one for my DSR.  They also have a longer lever version which is also on sale.

https://japan.webike.net/products/450472.html

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Need Voltage Meter Recomendation
« on: June 12, 2018, 11:13:56 PM »
I've been reading a lot about problems with the accuracy of the SOC and miles remaining gauges on the Zero and in the app and that we should only trust an accurate voltage meter to determine actual SOC, so I'm wondering what folks out there are using.

Would this very inexpensive one being sold on Amazon do the trick?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LZLM182/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Well I was really bummed out the other day when suddenly my 2017 DSR had no power and was completely dead when I turned on the key.  I had just had the 600 mile motor commissioning performed the day before and rode the bike to work like I normally do.  The battery was very low so I plugged it into the 120V outlet in the parking garage next to where I park my bike.  The outlet has a timer on it since it's also used to recharge a couple of electric bicycles my department has.

To make a long story short, I went down to check the progress later that day after about 6-hours of charging (the max amount on the timer) and bike was at 96%.  I decide to turn the timer back on for a few more minutes to top it off, but you have to turn the dial past 1-hour and then back again and in doing so I think I turned it completely off and then back on very quickly.  I heard a strange noise that didn't sound normal and when I looked at the instrument panel it was completely blank and the ready light was blinking rapidly and flashing on and off every couple of seconds.  When I turned the key to on there was no change.  Everything was dead.  The flashing ready light was the only sign of life.  It was as if the contactor was stuck open.  I suspected that one of the high voltage fuses may have blown and cut power to the contactor.

The next day I contacted Tim with Electronic Art in Cincinnati (where I purchased the bike) and he was kind enough to come out to where I work and take a look.  We took the seat off and checked a couple of the 12V fuses, but they were all okay.  We then began to check the high voltage fuses starting with the easiest one which is identified as #1 on page 6.30 of the owner’s manual and controls the Low Power B+ circuit.  Tim unscrewed the cap and pulled out the ceramic fuse.  We didn’t have a continuity tester, but it look okay in that there weren’t any visible signs that it had blown.  Tim reinserted the fuse and when he did we heard the contractor click as if it had reset.  Sure enough, when I turned the key on, the bike powered up normally and was working fine again.

So there you have it.  If you ever get into a situation similar to mine where the contactor appears to be stuck open and the bike has no power at all, try removing and reinserting the high voltage fuse #1 to reset the contractor.  I've attached a snippet from the BMM log that shows what happened.

BTW, when I tried to print out the log file the line numbers were all jumbled up and didn’t look anything like the log parser preview screen.  Does anyone know of a way to fix that?  I'd also appreciate if someone could point me to some instructions for how to embed an image into a post.

Edit:  Sorry I attached the wrong snippet from the log and the actual log that covers the time period in question is too long and I don't know how to attach it.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / 600 Mile Service
« on: May 09, 2018, 08:38:56 PM »
I took my new 2017 DSR to the dealer yesterday for the 600 mile service.  BTW, my dealer is Electronic Art located near downtown Cincinnati.  They have been great to work with and I highly recommend using them for a new purchase or servicing.

I told the owner Tim that I only needed the motor commissioning performed.  I'm happy with the way my bike is running so I didn't want to mess with any firmware update and didn't need to have anything else adjusted.  He gave me the following results of the motor commissioning, which means nothing to me so I was hoping that someone else may be able to shed some light on the results.

Offset was originally 141.25
Afterwards it was 138.19

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I have a 2017 DSR and the Eco mode is so under powered it is essentially useless.  This is especially noticeable when accelerating from a standing stop.  The acceleration is so restricted, the bike can barely get out of its own way.

When I had my FXS, the Eco mode was much better.  It still had enough power that I was comfortable using it, but not on my DSR.

So I'm wondering if this is something unique to the R models.  Any other riders out there experiencing the same thing?


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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Helmet Lock Installation on DSR
« on: April 16, 2018, 08:20:21 PM »
I thought I would share my helmet lock installation on my DSR with others.  I located the lock on the left side of the frame and positioned it so that the chin guard on my full face helmet would clear the side rack and I would have access from the back of the frame to install and tighten the bolts.

I had to drill two small holes through the frame.  The metal is aluminum so it was very easy to drill.  I bought a cheap helmet lock on eBay for less than $10.  IMO, a helmet lock should have come standard from the factory, but it's really not that hard to add one.


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I have been reading threads for the last couple of weeks about problem people are having with firmware updates and have a couple of questions that I have not been able to find answers to.

1)  If we experience problems with a newer version of firmware, is it possible to go back to an earlier version.  I've seen this question asked several times, but have never seen an answer.  It seems to me that should be a simple enough thing to do.  I can do that with custom tunes on my Mustang as long as I save a copy of the older tune.

2)  I read this in another thread on this forum. "Can't be too safe .. it is a shame we can't disable over the air updates for the bikes as well."  Really, the updates are automatic?  I never heard of that before.  Is this true?  I thought a firmware update needed to either be initiated by the owner through the app or performed by an authorized Zero dealer.

Thanks in advance.

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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Power Limiter on Zero FXS Question
« on: October 31, 2017, 11:28:24 PM »
I noticed that on my FXS the power is reduced when the battery is below a certain charge.  Is this normal and if so can someone explain what the parameters are?  Do all of the Zero models operate this way?  Is there any way to override the power limitation.

PS - Moderators feel free to move this thread.  Probably should be in Zero 2013+ forum.

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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Stebel Nautilus Horn Connection Question
« on: May 11, 2017, 08:18:41 PM »
Well as most of us all already know, the horn on theses bikes (at least on the FXS) is pretty whimpy. In fact, this is true of most motorcycles so I always replace the stock horn with a Stebel Nautilus air horn.  The Stebel horn draws a considerable amount of current.  I think somewhere around 18A from what I've read.  So my question is what is the best way to power this horn.

I know about the aux port on my bike, but that is only rated for 10A.  Could I go ahead and use this power source anyway and just upgrade the wiring from the fuse box?  Or is there a way the connect the horn directly to the battery or the DC-DC converter?  I don't know what the converter is or where it's located, but would that be a safe option?

Thanks

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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Introduction & Windscreen Advice for FXS
« on: May 11, 2017, 06:55:18 PM »
Hi Everyone………I’d first like to take this opportunity to introduce myself as new member to the forum.  I took delivery of a new 2017 Zero FXS a couple of weeks ago and am looking forward to benefiting from all the valuable information here as well as being a contributor.

I’ve recently read through all 10-pages of the “Which Windscreen is OK” thread and learned a lot, but I didn’t see where anyone talked about putting a windscreen on an FXS, so I was wondering if anyone has some hands on experience with doing that. I've been looking at the offerings from all of the usual suspects (MRA, National Cycle, Slipstreamer, and Puig). I’m not interested in any of the Zero aftermarket windscreens.  They are all too small and too expensive.  The Slipstreamer Turbo that a few folks are using is way too big for my taste.  I would like something that provides decent wind and rain protection since I commute to work all year round and the weather in Cincinnati can get pretty nasty.

So far I think the Highwayshield, V-Flow Type C, V-Flow Type Z, and Vario from MRA, the Deflector from National Cycle, the Spitfire from Slipsteamer, the Rafale Universal and Touring Universal from Puig, and finally the Cal Sci prototype screen in post #103 of the thread seem to be good candidates.

So I’m looking for some feedback on which windscreens might work on the FXS model.  Is it safe to assume that if the windscreen fits on other Zero models that it will also work on the FXS?

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

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