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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: turbojet on June 04, 2016, 12:29:58 AM
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Got my top rack for my 2016 DSR. There were no instructions with it but install was simple. Remove the seat (unscrew the torx bolts on either side, not the allen head bolts). Pull the seat off and fit the frack over the bike frame (remember to install the rubber number where the rack rests on the rear fender). Two small allen head bolts go through the frame holes then replace the seat and screw the torx bolts back in through the rear rack frame (see pix). To install any GIVI box get the universal monokey (part E251) top case plate and mount it as shown in the photo. It uses 4 bolts with clamps that will fit any rack almost. I went with the bigger V46 top case as I have used this on a variety of bikes and for me gives the best size/function ratio. Cheers! ;D
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Nice writeup and photos! This took me about 15 minutes when I've done it, mostly to position the Givi plate.
One note I want to tag here: once you have a top case, when you need to remove the seat bolts, it's a good idea to either remove the case or empty it of anything heavy (like an Elcon charger!) or you might wind up causing a little sag in the bars, especially if you go ride it around without the bolts.
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Does Givi list the internal dimensions or the external.
I'm trying to get a smaller Monolock that will fit a laptop bag that is 18-19 inches by 11-12 inches deep.
Yes, its a big CAD laptop.
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Thanks for the photos and write-up! I got the rack on order, but have not decided on a case yet. Can you snap and post a photo from the rear too, from some distance, not very up-close to show the size of the box mounted? I wonder how big of a box to get - yup, bigger is more useful, but I don't want something huge either.
How does it ride with the box? Can you feel it?
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I just ordered this which i should get sometime next week, the dealer told me if they installed it i would be billed for 2 hours for 190$. Im assuming that is a rip off and I can do it myself?
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How hard can it be to put 8 bolts? In the Zero owners manual you can see the location and torque values for the 2 bolts that hold the seat in place. They need to be removed and reinstalled to hold the rack. Plus two more bolts near them. Then 4 more to hold the plate to the rack. Depending on which Givi (or other brand) box you get, the plate may or may not be included. Can you do it yourself? Only you can tell. Is it worth $190 at the dealer to install it for me? Definitely not! I don't think it should take the dealer more than 15 minutes to install. If $190 is the cost including the rack and installation, then it's almost reasonable. If it is just installation, then a rip-off in my opinion.
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Super easy to install the rack. Remove the two torx bolts (2 minutes), take the seat off (20 seconds) and fit the rack over the fender and the front mounting holes (these will be under the seat). Screw the two supplied allen head bolts in (1-2 minutes) then refit the seat (30 seconds) and put the torx bolts in and tighten them down (3 minutes). The GIVI universal top case mounting plate is also very easy to install and gives you multiple positioning options.
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I forgot one step. If you are the average motorcycle mechanic then the rack install will involve drinking 3 beers. ! to get started, 1 after you take the seat off to ponder the complexity of the machine and its wiring and then 1 when you are done to congratulate yourself on a job well done. Depending on your speed then this will add 1-15 minutes to the install. The GIVI top case mount is probably a 2 beer job so get a six pack just to be safe. Cheers! 8)
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I just ordered this which i should get sometime next week, the dealer told me if they installed it i would be billed for 2 hours for 190$. Im assuming that is a rip off and I can do it myself?
$190 to install a $400 rack is a ripe off. You may have to buy a couple of tools but if you can handle a screw driver you should be fine.
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Rip-off it is, but one might need a little more than a screwdriver - I could not remove the torx bolts with a screwdriver (with a torx bit, of course) as they were too tight from the factory. Just not enough leverage for me. With a 4" angled torx wrench (included with my soft luggage) it was very easy. It also helps to have a torque wrench to tighten things to spec, but I think by feel is probably OK if one has handled enough bolts of similar size...
I just ordered this which i should get sometime next week, the dealer told me if they installed it i would be billed for 2 hours for 190$. Im assuming that is a rip off and I can do it myself?
$190 to install a $400 rack is a ripe off. You may have to buy a couple of tools but if you can handle a screw driver you should be fine.
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Hah thanks for the responses, before ordering i assumed I would be able to do it on my own, when he told me it would take 2 hours I thought it was probably a rip off but didn't know if it actually was difficult.
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Rip-off it is, but one might need a little more than a screwdriver - I could not remove the torx bolts with a screwdriver (with a torx bit, of course) as they were too tight from the factory. Just not enough leverage for me. With a 4" angled torx wrench (included with my soft luggage) it was very easy. It also helps to have a torque wrench to tighten things to spec, but I think by feel is probably OK if one has handled enough bolts of similar size...
I just ordered this which i should get sometime next week, the dealer told me if they installed it i would be billed for 2 hours for 190$. Im assuming that is a rip off and I can do it myself?
$190 to install a $400 rack is a ripe off. You may have to buy a couple of tools but if you can handle a screw driver you should be fine.
Nothing in my response said you just need a screwdriver. But if you can handle one you can deal with simple adjustments or add ons to the bike. In the future - actually read what you are responding too and people won't call you out as an arrogant ass. For the record adding a top box or a wind screen can be done with a set of tools that is less than $20.
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You must be a cyclist ;)
In the future - actually read what you are responding too and people won't call you out as an arrogant ass.
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The top rack is pretty easy to install including the adapter plate for monokey boxes. I really like my 46L box.
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My dealership installed the rack for me (no charge, they had the seat off already for some other repairs, plus I had not asked for it to be installed as I was planning to do it myself, so he dropped the charge - sorry, did not ask what the charge would have been if I had paid it). He told me they had to drill under the seat to put it. I wonder if on the '15 SR the holes are not there for the two allen head bolts like on your '16 DSR? I doubt it, since the frames are the same. Probably the dealership is mistaken (or trying to justify the attempted charge) and indeed there was no drilling needed at all?
Super easy to install the rack. Remove the two torx bolts (2 minutes), take the seat off (20 seconds) and fit the rack over the fender and the front mounting holes (these will be under the seat). Screw the two supplied allen head bolts in (1-2 minutes) then refit the seat (30 seconds) and put the torx bolts in and tighten them down (3 minutes). The GIVI universal top case mounting plate is also very easy to install and gives you multiple positioning options.
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I got the rack on order, but have not decided on a case yet. Can you snap and post a photo from the rear too, from some distance, not very up-close to show the size of the box mounted? I wonder how big of a box to get - yup, bigger is more useful, but I don't want something huge either.
How does it ride with the box? Can you feel it?
I don't know if you've picked a case yet, but I thought to share my short experience regarding the model Zero sells (I received/installed it a little over a week ago) with you, or anyone reading this who wants input. I think it looks good (although it does border on looking silly when I'm off the bike, like most rear boxes, because of how high it's set), it matches the bike, and I can't feel it at all while riding. The one downside would be that a full helmet does take up most of the space. I noticed in the instructions/pamphlet that the suggested top speed was something like 70-75mph but I end up going faster than that with it on and don't notice it shaking or moving any more than at slightly lower speeds. It only moves/vibrates very slightly. I can take a picture of it but you can just find a bunch of pictures by google image searching "ZERO TOP BOX BY GIVI".
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Thanks for the feedback! I did end-up getting a used case, a 55 liter Monokey (forgot which model exactly) with lights kit. It is huge, but will hold my helmet and jacket with some room to spare. Still haven't installed the adapter, so have not actually ridden with it yet.
I got the rack on order, but have not decided on a case yet. Can you snap and post a photo from the rear too, from some distance, not very up-close to show the size of the box mounted? I wonder how big of a box to get - yup, bigger is more useful, but I don't want something huge either.
How does it ride with the box? Can you feel it?
I don't know if you've picked a case yet, but I thought to share my short experience regarding the model Zero sells (I received/installed it a little over a week ago) with you, or anyone reading this who wants input. I think it looks good (although it does border on looking silly when I'm off the bike, like most rear boxes, because of how high it's set), it matches the bike, and I can't feel it at all while riding. The one downside would be that a full helmet does take up most of the space. I noticed in the instructions/pamphlet that the suggested top speed was something like 70-75mph but I end up going faster than that with it on and don't notice it shaking or moving any more than at slightly lower speeds. It only moves/vibrates very slightly. I can take a picture of it but you can just find a bunch of pictures by google image searching "ZERO TOP BOX BY GIVI".
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Thanks for the feedback! I did end-up getting a used case, a 55 liter Monokey (forgot which model exactly) with lights kit. It is huge, but will hold my helmet and jacket with some room to spare. Still haven't installed the adapter, so have not actually ridden with it yet.
I don't know if you've picked a case yet, but I thought to share my short experience regarding the model Zero sells (I received/installed it a little over a week ago) with you, or anyone reading this who wants input. I think it looks good (although it does border on looking silly when I'm off the bike, like most rear boxes, because of how high it's set), it matches the bike, and I can't feel it at all while riding. The one downside would be that a full helmet does take up most of the space. I noticed in the instructions/pamphlet that the suggested top speed was something like 70-75mph but I end up going faster than that with it on and don't notice it shaking or moving any more than at slightly lower speeds. It only moves/vibrates very slightly. I can take a picture of it but you can just find a bunch of pictures by google image searching "ZERO TOP BOX BY GIVI".
The huge case you're describing is a Givi Maxia (gen 3 or 4 usually). I've used one for 5 years and Terry is using one on his blue 2015 SR.
The OEM case is a Monolock (different plate) E340 and is quite small.
In principle there is a concern about the weight at the end of the top rack as a lever on riding dynamics and in strong gusts at high speed but the warnings are more cautionary. Mount it solidly and don't put bricks in it and you should be fine.
That said, an Elcon or Supercharger in the top case kind of makes me nervous personally for that reason. Reinforcing the top rack would be good for Zero or for us.
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The OEM case is a Monolock (different plate) E340 and is quite small.
I got the biggest monolock I could find (I want to say 48 liters?) and it works great.
In principle there is a concern about the weight at the end of the top rack as a lever on riding dynamics and in strong gusts at high speed but the warnings are more cautionary. Mount it solidly and don't put bricks in it and you should be fine.
I brought home a 40-lb box of kitty litter from the pet store one day, and could definitely feel it affecting the handling of the bike. It wasn't a problem, you just need to be aware of it. But yeah, I'd be reluctant to permanently mount something heavy that high up -- the "gas tank" area is plenty high enough already!
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I too was tempted to get the large Monolock case because the Monolock cases are a bit lighter than the Monokey cases of the same size. But I've had a good experience with a V46 before (other than that it is quite heavy in itself), so when the 55L showed up used at a reasonable price, I snatched it.
The OEM case is a Monolock (different plate) E340 and is quite small.
I got the biggest monolock I could find (I want to say 48 liters?) and it works great.
In principle there is a concern about the weight at the end of the top rack as a lever on riding dynamics and in strong gusts at high speed but the warnings are more cautionary. Mount it solidly and don't put bricks in it and you should be fine.
I brought home a 40-lb box of kitty litter from the pet store one day, and could definitely feel it affecting the handling of the bike. It wasn't a problem, you just need to be aware of it. But yeah, I'd be reluctant to permanently mount something heavy that high up -- the "gas tank" area is plenty high enough already!
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Do you know if the E251 supports installation of light kits, such as this one: http://www.giviusa.com/givi-products/case-accessories/brake-light-kits/e126-stoplight-kit-detail (http://www.giviusa.com/givi-products/case-accessories/brake-light-kits/e126-stoplight-kit-detail)
The M5 plate that I got with my box it has a little opening where the contacts for the light kit fit. I don't see that on the universal plates. If that is the case, it might motivate me to adapt my M5 adapter to the Zero, rather than get the universal one and loose my light kit option....
Thanks!
Got my top rack for my 2016 DSR. There were no instructions with it but install was simple. Remove the seat (unscrew the torx bolts on either side, not the allen head bolts). Pull the seat off and fit the frack over the bike frame (remember to install the rubber number where the rack rests on the rear fender). Two small allen head bolts go through the frame holes then replace the seat and screw the torx bolts back in through the rear rack frame (see pix). To install any GIVI box get the universal monokey (part E251) top case plate and mount it as shown in the photo. It uses 4 bolts with clamps that will fit any rack almost. I went with the bigger V46 top case as I have used this on a variety of bikes and for me gives the best size/function ratio. Cheers! ;D
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Do you know if the E251 supports installation of light kits, such as this one: http://www.giviusa.com/givi-products/case-accessories/brake-light-kits/e126-stoplight-kit-detail (http://www.giviusa.com/givi-products/case-accessories/brake-light-kits/e126-stoplight-kit-detail)
The M5 plate that I got with my box it has a little opening where the contacts for the light kit fit. I don't see that on the universal plates. If that is the case, it might motivate me to adapt my M5 adapter to the Zero, rather than get the universal one and loose my light kit option....
Thanks!
Got my top rack for my 2016 DSR. There were no instructions with it but install was simple. Remove the seat (unscrew the torx bolts on either side, not the allen head bolts). Pull the seat off and fit the frack over the bike frame (remember to install the rubber number where the rack rests on the rear fender). Two small allen head bolts go through the frame holes then replace the seat and screw the torx bolts back in through the rear rack frame (see pix). To install any GIVI box get the universal monokey (part E251) top case plate and mount it as shown in the photo. It uses 4 bolts with clamps that will fit any rack almost. I went with the bigger V46 top case as I have used this on a variety of bikes and for me gives the best size/function ratio. Cheers! ;D
It does (at least on my older E250), but you have to punch out a hole that is pre-made for it but solidly attached. I just drilled some carefully spaced small holes on the inside trace and cut around from there.
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Thanks!
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Added my pictures to the manual: http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Common_Modifications#Givi_Monokey_adapter_plate_E251 (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Common_Modifications#Givi_Monokey_adapter_plate_E251)
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