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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older => Topic started by: Larry295 on June 14, 2012, 11:15:40 PM
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Is anybody missing the fact that the dash doesn't give much info, other than the speed and batt charge??
it would be nice to see:
-regen levels being produced (0-100%)
-average and instant power output
-calculated range
ect...
Any thoughts?
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I'd like to see more info, too. Zero OEM'd a generic gauge cluster probably to save development time and perhaps cost. Adding an info display is a hacking project I'd like to undertake sometime.
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Exactly. Since it's electric and computerized, the whole point would be to have loads of data. Even something communicating with your phone to tell you the state of charge (like on some cars) ect...
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I have solved that display problem.
Now i have these info on another LCD screen ( the Cycle Analyst V3.0 ) that i installed.
real time :
-KiloWatt
-Volts
-Amp
-Amphour used
-whathour used
-Speed
-max speed
-Avg speed
-Wh per km ( efficiency )
-Motor temperature
-trip dist
-regen Ah
Stats:
-total km
-Total Ah
-Total cycles
I also have installed the CycleAnalogger wich is a GPS datalogger that record at a rate up to 10hz in real time all these data including the GPS info and put it into a lilttle micro SD card
That tool is a real MUST !! at 150$ a piece it's the best accessory you can install on an electric motorcycle.
Some of the TTXGP guys also use it.
i have 5 electric bike and all have that tool.
Doc
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where do you find more info on this the Cycle Analyst V3.0
Sounds interesting
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Doc, do you have photos of you cycle analyst set up? How do you have it integrated with the controller?
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Doc, do you have photos of you cycle analyst set up? How do you have it integrated with the controller?
I will post picture once it's finished.
I installed a 0.25 miliohm shunt in serie with the Main negative right between the battery anc the controller input. It sense the current and send the info to the cycle analyst S+ and S- input. I connected the cycle analyst power input ( same for voltage sense) to the input of the DC-Dc. It is fused and is already close to the Cycle analyst so it's safer than having a long line from the battery to the cycle analyst. ( Everything that connect to the power of the battery is fused (i used a 1A for any signal wire)
then the speed signal that i pick from the optical sensor on the motor shaft. It is supplyed by 0-5V and send pulse on a third wire that vary from 0 to 3V for each turn.
But the problem i have now is that the speed reading on the Cycle anlayst is not linear and constant... i have no reading for speed between0 to 20kmh and if i try calibrating it with the right pole count and wheel diameter to get the equivalent speed of the zero gauge, it is just not linear and i get false reading. The cycle analyst input is specified to be acepting any input from 0-5V or 0-12V or ground to open ( probably a pull up resistor that do the rest).. but for 0-3V it just dont perfectly work.
Everything else is ok. i'll also connect the motor temp signal to the C-A.
I am also considering to modify the throttle signal type of the zero from 0-5K to 0-5V to match with the ebike cruise control that i plan to install and also to be able to have the throttle managed by the cycle analyst with the new V3 features.
I can say that it is really interesting to have the real time curent reading on the C-A while riding on the zero ;D
I see that the current is limited according to speed. at low speed ( below 60kmh) the current never reach above 300A from what i have recorded...
that might change soon 8) ;D ;)
That zero can take 400A from a dead start... and i'll enable that soon ;D
I wold also post video of the C-A while rifding to give a taste of the power at different condition of use.
Doc
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here is the start of my gauge :
https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/109487083260943598914/albums/5752310133298892993/5754344354670052274
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yeah but that's a majorly custom thing. Not something everybody can put on their bikes...
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Here is the data that the Cycle Analyst is displaying (i bought from ebikes.ca)
Distance: 44.9km
Energy consumed: 2609.9Wh
Capacity consumed: 50.1Ah ( out of the 70Ah total)
Efficiency: 56.1Wh per km
max amp peak: 558.3A
V min: 45.3
Average speed: 49km/h
Max speed: 108km/h
Power at that speed: 9kW
Running time 57.02min
V after the ride: 49.7V
V at begining of the ride 58.1V( full charged and balanced)
The average current draw i saw was oscillating between 50 and 80A
Type of road: (50% on highway )
My weight 155 pounds
My tall: 5"9
Next ride i'll connect the GPSdatalogger option on it so i'll datalog all these data and their associated electrical parameters.
Doc
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Here is something cool I did last year with GPS. It plugs into the google earth system and plays out live or replay data from the bike.
Mind you this was not done with the technology I am putting on my bike now, so there were some latency issues with the data pings to the server as you will see.
I was clearly into tron at the time :)
http://googletracking.1942design.com/public/tronLegacy.php (http://googletracking.1942design.com/public/tronLegacy.php)
Here is a similar version that I did using google maps instead.
http://googletracking.1942design.com/public/tron.php (http://googletracking.1942design.com/public/tron.php)
And here is one that does not follow the bike, instead it lets you follow as you see fit, so you can click on each of the data points and get more information.
http://googletracking.1942design.com/public/replay.php (http://googletracking.1942design.com/public/replay.php)
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yeah but that's a majorly custom thing. Not something everybody can put on their bikes...
Thankfully not so. When I am done it will be as simple as securing it to the bike and pluging it in :) I grew up plugging in the cable TV and hooking up the VCR because it was too complicated for my parents back then ;) so now, I try to make things that even my grandma could use with a very few directions.
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Here is my thread about the Cycle Analyst install i posted on Endless-sphere.
http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=40849 (http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=40849)
Doc
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Pretty nice, I gotta admit.
But definitely something you need to have knowledge to install/set-up ect...
Hopefully Zero will come up with something of that nature pretty soon...
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I'll add my 2 cents here by agreeing that we need much more real time data while riding and of course a data logger is also great for analysis after the ride.
If I couldn't have it all i would love to just have a bi-directional gauge that would tell me when current is flowing out of the battery and when it's flowing back in, from regen. In dirt riding, in ECO mode, I'm going back and forth between those two conditions and would like to know what's happening.
Trikester
BTW - Just about to spend my week in the Klamath National Forest doing those big fire-road climbs, I posted about. Recharging at a lodge off the grid. Going to be interesting to learn how much total charge I can expend going up and how much I need to save for the return. There will always be some "ups" on the way back down.
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I would love to see the duplicate analog speedometer used as a power gauge that displayed both propulsion power and regen power in kW. Seeing that information would really help your riding range as it would give you an idea how much power you were consuming from your battery pack in real time. Plus, those big numbers on the gauge would look pretty cool. ;D
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That's exactly what I would like also!
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I'll add my 2 cents here by agreeing that we need much more real time data while riding and of course a data logger is also great for analysis after the ride.
If I couldn't have it all i would love to just have a bi-directional gauge that would tell me when current is flowing out of the battery and when it's flowing back in, from regen. In dirt riding, in ECO mode, I'm going back and forth between those two conditions and would like to know what's happening.
The Cycle Analyst is not a datalogger, it's a main display. The datalogger is an option you can connect to it.
But the cycle analyst HAVE all teh info you talk about. It indicate the current direction when you regen or run the motor. It display amp, power, temp, voltage, kmh, wh/km. Ah, total distance, min Amp, Max amp, min Volt, etc... ALL IN REAL TIME ;) and.. it work from any voltage between 12 and 100V and can take up to 650v isolation when used with an external Voltage sensing device.
Believe me... Every ride i go, i APPRECIATE ALOT my cycle analyst !
I can see the consumed Ah or Watt-hour so i know exactly how much energy i still have in the battery.
It's like the zero could ONLY have this display and it would be more than enough.
Here is few of the info it can display in real time:
(http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/download/file.php?id=85813)
(http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/download/file.php?id=85859)
(http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/download/file.php?id=85860)
(http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/download/file.php?id=85861)
(http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/download/file.php?id=85862)
Doc
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Doc,
Where is it picking up the temperature from?
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Doc,
Where is it picking up the temperature from?
It can be from anywhere ;).. The agni motor on the zero 2011 have one temp sensor near the brush wich is the warmer part. But i could install it on tghe controller or battery etc. You can connect a LM35 temperature sensor IC or 10K NTC thermistor as temperature probe.
And.. as for any of the measured parameters, you can set an alarm that cut the throttle or make other option like making the display to flash when an alarm is trigged.
min batt volt, high temp, SOC of teh battery etc .. all can trigger the alarm.
Doc
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DoctorBass, why is your speedo only going to 120, when mine is 160???
I know you are in km, and I am in miles, but then it makes even less sense!!?
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DoctorBass, why is your speedo only going to 120, when mine is 160???
I know you are in km, and I am in miles, but then it makes even less sense!!?
My 2012 Zero S analog speedometer tops out at 120 mph, also.
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mine tops out at 160mph which makes it unusable since when you're doing 30-40mph, the needle barely moves from 0. It stays always at the bottom....
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Odd. My 2012 S analog speedometer tops out at 160 (buttons switches between MPH and KPH, neither is printed on the meter).
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I just checked my analog speedometer again. It does top out at 120 mph and there is no corresponding series on numbers for km per hour as many other motorcycles have. Perhaps when the mph/kph button is pushed, it also reverts to kph. ( I haven't tried that to see if the analog speedometer changes its tune, in addition to the digital speedometer.) If that is the case, then a 160 reading might be needed if you got the bike up to 99 mph. Maybe Zero discovered that 120 kph was only 75 mph and realized that the speedometer needed to be updated for the faster 2012 models that would be sold in countries using the metric system. Or......maybe they got a deal on 160 mph analog speedometers. ::)
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Mine goes up to 160 units (no mph/kph marks). The switch changes to kilometers per hour and the needle will display kph instead of mph.
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In 75 years, this will be why Richard230's Zero is worth 10x any other Zero when it goes on the block at the Barrett-Jackson car/bike/aircraft/spacecraft auction.
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In 75 years, this will be why Richard230's Zero is worth 10x any other Zero when it goes on the block at the Barrett-Jackson car/bike/aircraft/spacecraft auction.
True!
Mine goes to 160. It would be way more usable if it only went to 120. Zero ought to offer a 120 speedo in their accessories store. :D
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In 75 years, this will be why Richard230's Zero is worth 10x any other Zero when it goes on the block at the Barrett-Jackson car/bike/aircraft/spacecraft auction.
Too bad I won't be around to see that happen. I'll be happy if my Zero keeps running for the next 3 or 4 years, until the next great thing comes out.
I have owned a lot of motorcycles that are now minor classics and I never kept a one of them. Some of the bikes I have owned include a 1962 Vespa 125, 1963 Yamaha YD3, a 1958 Allstate (Puch)125, a 1963 Lambrettta 150 LI, a 1964 Honda CB305, a 1966 Suzuki B-100P, a 1968 Yamaha YA-6, a 1969 Garelli 125, a 1969 Yamaha YR2-C, a 1970 Honda CB175-K4, a 1971 Triumph T-120R Bonneville, a 1973 Yamaha RD350, a 1975 Honda CB400F, a 1977 Honda CB550K, a 1978 Yamaha SR500F, a 1983 Kawasaki KZ750-L3, a 1985 Kawasaki EX305-B1, a 1985 BMW R80, a 1986 Honda VFR700FII, a 1987 Yamaha SRX250TC, a 1990 Suzuki 500EL, a 1991 BMW K100RS-4V, a 1984 Honda CB700SC, a 1982 BMW R65LS, and on and on. They just come and go and I never really wanted to keep any of my motorcycles - until years after I sold them. ::)
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I went for a ride today and converted to the metric system for a short distance. My both my digital and analog speedometers also converted, so now I see why the change was made to an analog speedometer that reads up to 160. The 2012 Zero S will exceed 120 kph, so it appears that the revised speedometer is necessary when used in more progressive countries that are on the metric system, instead of the English system of measurement.
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@trikester how did the trip go?