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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: Le Z Turbo on October 07, 2013, 10:54:38 PM
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Hello,
winter is coming fast and for my DS I'd like the same protections I used to have on my scooter:
-The hand cover: http://www.tucanourbano.it/catalogo/item/manopole-nylon?categoryFullPath=termoscud_e_coprimanopole&materiale=nylon (http://www.tucanourbano.it/catalogo/item/manopole-nylon?categoryFullPath=termoscud_e_coprimanopole&materiale=nylon)
-The Gaucho: http://www.tucanourbano.it/Catalogo/item/gaucho-en-US?categoryFullPath=termoscud_e_coprimanopole%2Fgaucho (http://www.tucanourbano.it/Catalogo/item/gaucho-en-US?categoryFullPath=termoscud_e_coprimanopole%2Fgaucho)
Both are VERY protective, I can tell you !!!
But of course no size list for my Zero DS. I've tried the hand cover R317 model from my BMW C1 scooter: they fit ! Have a look to the attached pictures.
The way I see it both the R317 and R319 hand grip could fit, but what's the difference between them ?
For the Gaucho it seems that most bike are doing well with the R117 and R118 models but again, what's the difference ?
Have a safe ride
Laurent
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I'd just emailed a question to Tucano Urbano to try to get answers to my questions. I'll keep you inform....
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These look perfect! I have been missing the excellent rain protection that my V-Strom's generous handguards provide, and Seattle is quickly becoming the wet city that everyone knows.
However, apparently they do not export to the USA. I may go with Hippo Hands, but these look like a better fit. I'll udpate when I find a way to order them.
EDIT: I found that Urban Rider in the UK offered a good price and shipping option, so I've ordered and will probably completely enjoy them.
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Didn't know they were not sold in the US. Urbano Tucano is THE first choice here in Europe for scooter protection.
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Didn't know they were not sold in the US. Urbano Tucano is THE first choice here in Europe for scooter protection.
Apparently there are a couple of UK scooter accessory companies that will ship them to the US. So, no in-person demo, but it'll work fine for me. Thanks!
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Wait a little before ordering so maybe I will have a chance to know the difference between the models and post it !!!
Laurent
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The product that has been sold in the U.S. for the past 40 years (or more) is called Hippo Hands. It used to sell for around $15 (40 years ago - or more), but I think it goes for much more now. No doubt someone with sewing skills could make a set of those bar covers for a lot less using black vinyl, leather, or some similar material.
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Wait a little before ordering so maybe I will have a chance to know the difference between the models and post it !!!
Laurent
If you mean the Zero S model, sure, owners of that bike would have to judge the fit separately. But I have a 2013 Zero DS, so I should get the exact results you have already since I've ordered the R317. It's already rainy here, so I don't want to waste my gloves any more getting wet.
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Sure, I also want to have them for November at last because as you said it's not only for the cold but also for the rain. Very usefull even if it's giving a bad look to a nice motorcycle !!!
Laurent
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No news from Tucano right now but after having searched the web I think the hand grip covers R319 will be best. They are the ones for the BMW G650 Xmoto which shares the large handlebar with mirrors but no weighted stabilizer. Now searching the "Gaucho"...
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Ok, so I had a reply from not directly Urbano Tucano but a shop specialized in these products.
The hand covers are the R319.
The Gaucho should be the R118. R117 is for very small bikes and R119 for huge bikes.
I'm gonna order both and will post pictures !
Laurent
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Do get the right sort.
I recall many years ago getting a set of generic brand ones and fitting them to my ER5, blasting down the motorway I wondered why my bikes power had taken a real hit, as it was refusing to go much above 65mph.
Concerned I pulled over to the side of the road where I noticed a dull red glow from my front brake disc... :o
Seems the wind was hitting the cheap generic brand hand warmer and jamming on the front brake. >:(
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Urbano Tucano are the best out here in Europe. I had them on my BMW C1 and then on two Gilera Fuoco 500. I can't stand a winter without them ! The Gaucho has inflatable side so it won't float when speeding.
Laurent
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Vectrix sold these as an official accessory, below is a photo of them fitted to my bike. I also use the thermoscud in the winter. Very comfortable and allows me to ride far below freezing temperatures.
http://twitpic.com/38va3u/full (http://twitpic.com/38va3u/full)
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So, I have them installed, but they move around a bit, and block some of my view through the side mirrors. How do you make sure that they're appropriately fitted and firmly attached? I followed the instructions, but they rotate a lot and it feels like I can't take my hands in and out easily right now, and I'm a little uncomfortable operating the bike in traffic like this - not speedy enough operating the turn signal and brakes. That said, this is day one of my test, so I hope to figure this out.
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Could you put a little picture of your install to check it ?
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I received my R319 hand grip cover and the R118 Gaucho this morning. I'm posting the difference between the R317 and R319 below: the only difference is the R319 take the mirror into account, R317 on the left and R319 on the right.
Next picture R319 on the bike.
And the last picture: as we don't have stabiliser on the handlebar the only rigid part of the cover is this plate. You have to make a form with it so you can tighten it with zip-ties to the handlebar. That' s what gonna give you some rigidity in the assembly.
No other pictures for now as I need to install some OXFORD heated grips and a new 3 positions switch for my stroboscopic lights and sound before putting the hand covers and gaucho.
To be continued...
Laurent
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You need to join the two metal strips together, there should be a few screws that you can use to join the two halves.
No need to bind them to the handlebars.
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You need to join the two metal strips together, there should be a few screws that you can use to join the two halves.
No need to bind them to the handlebars.
The Zero DS's bars are definitely too wide for those strips to join. But maybe if I bent them far further back, they would be easier to fix in place in whether they join or not. I suppose I'll try that after work today.
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I managed to make my R317's to attach more firmly by just wrapping over the velcro "cinch" more tightly. I'm about to install the OEM commuter screen which has brackets on the bars, and I'm hoping that those will provide a nice anchor point to fully firm up the mount.
They are definitely effective at blocking wind. I just had a forty-minute round trip down the interstate to the dealer and back, and my hands and gloves never got chilly.
One downside, though, was that I knocked the motor cutout switch while riding, then had to pull aside to understand what I had done before restarting on my way.
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Pictures:
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/18/a9ysujad.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/18/6a8u8e2u.jpg)
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I've decided to switch to the newer Neoprene based models (http://www.webbikeworld.com/r4/tucano-urbano-handlebar-muffs/) that are less bulky, since at highway speeds, I've had two problems: accidentally bumping the motor cutout switch too often, and too much drag on the front section of the muff pushing it down over my hand, particularly on the left side where there's no lever! A set are on the way and I'll photograph and review them when they arrive. I expect to sell these locally - they're fine under 45mph and do an excellent job aside from the bulk.
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Here are photos of the Neoprene muffs, just installed.
These definitely are more firmly positioned, using a tightened ring mount on the bars and helped a little by the strap on the mirror stalk. They're definitely less bulky.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/14/gysa6ymy.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/14/uzasu6u2.jpg)
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After a night ride and then a commute, I will say that the Neoprene muffs are more ergonomic, and are less of a hassle at highway speeds. That said, access to the controls is mediated by the neoprene fabric, so you have to practice and develop habits for using your thumb through that area to use the turn signal controls and the horn. The motor cutout switch was easy to use, and the turn signal was the most difficult (having to push the switch left and right, means that you should push your thumb forward into the area around the switch before flicking it).
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And here is the Gaucho installed, it's getting cold now in Europe !!!
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I installed the thermoscud this weekend also!
It's getting cold indeed.
How well does the 118 fit? Easy installation?
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Woooo, the R118 Gaucho is just long enough, I think we might go to the 119 because as you could see on the picture, it's a little longer. Our fake fuel tank is really wide and the bottom of the bike is wide too with the battery so on my R118 the adjustable lower straps had to be set to their full length. But it fitted and now I can go to the gym in short with freezing temperature !!!
Laurent
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How practical are those things? Does the rain/wind not just go right in the front? I can't even work out how you get on the bike with it on there, it looks like it stretches too far backwards.
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How practical are those things? Does the rain/wind not just go right in the front? I can't even work out how you get on the bike with it on there, it looks like it stretches too far backwards.
The thermoscud is really more like a "blanket". You lift it up and sit on the bike seat as usual. The thermoscud then covers your body and legs for the most part. There is a rope that goes around your body to keep it from flapping in the wind.
When you park the bike the thermoscud covers the bike seats so the stay dry and frost free.
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Tucano Urbano updated their neoprene muff line to be more rigid, which is an excellent idea:
http://scooter-wear.com/tucano-urbano-handlebar-muffs (http://scooter-wear.com/tucano-urbano-handlebar-muffs)
They attach to the bar ends now, and one model includes a plastic bar to hold the front edge into the wind properly. I've had issues with mine this winter since I now commute via highway 40+miles each way and need the rain protection while I do it.
Anyway, I ordered R363 and will review them when they arrive:
http://scooter-wear.com/tucano-urbano-handlebar-muffs/tucano-urbano-r363-scooter-handlebar-muffs (http://scooter-wear.com/tucano-urbano-handlebar-muffs/tucano-urbano-r363-scooter-handlebar-muffs)
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Awesome thread. Thinking about buying winter/weather protection too now that there are confirmed fits.
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Anyway, I ordered R363 and will review them when they arrive:
http://scooter-wear.com/tucano-urbano-handlebar-muffs/tucano-urbano-r363-scooter-handlebar-muffs (http://scooter-wear.com/tucano-urbano-handlebar-muffs/tucano-urbano-r363-scooter-handlebar-muffs)
R363 turns out to assume that your bar ends are about an inch in length. Also, mine seemed to miss some crucial parts. I'll look at exchanging them or making them work another way.
But they are very sturdy so it looks like they deliver the concept.
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I hacked my older Tucano Urbano neoprene muffs to flex less on the highway by punching a hole in the end and running the bar end retaining bolt through it.
Once I find some bar ends the right size that I like, I'll switch to the newer more robust muffs. For now, this works pretty well, although pinning the muff to the bar end is a little constraining.
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