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Makes And Models => Lightning => Topic started by: hobnail on July 02, 2023, 06:05:53 AM
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Took delivery of a new Strike R from Lightning.
Perhaps you would all be interested in the attached image.
Visited Lighting and spoke with Richard. Sweet operation and innovations.
"The reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated." Mark Twain (Cable from London)
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Took delivery of a new Strike R from Lightning.
Perhaps you would all be interested in the attached image.
Visited Lighting and spoke with Richard. Sweet operation and innovations.
"The reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated." Mark Twain (Cable from London)
Welcome & congratulations!
I was just reading the specs here. (https://electrek.co/2019/03/28/lightning-strike-electric-motorcycle-launch/)
-Don- Reno, NV
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I don't know what I'm more surprised at Hobnail, seeing that you joined or that you got a Strike, which has it's own set of surprises.
I guess you got tired of waiting or lost faith with the other option. Let everybody know how this thing does.
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Thanks NEW2elec. Long see no time, or something like that.
2025 is a long time away, which is my estimate of perhaps seeing a gold color motorcycle. The Lightning story is quite a bunny trail, but after speaking with Lightning (spent the day in California) I was convinced of their commitment to excellence and what they are trying to achieve. Kindred spirits, if you will. Test rode it out there, and that was the clincher. At any rate, anything can happen by 2025 so I am keeping my options available. Only a short blast here at home, as paperwork isn't 100%. I will probably ride around on the fourth, and to work on Wednesday. I will post a review when I get some miles.
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It will be interesting to see how this bike goes after a few years, especially with all that Chineseium in it!
All those extra KW for the battery and only 30 Lb more? How is that? Unless they already have the big battery in and are just opening it up a bit more or something like that.
I love the 6k charging. Their claim to wind tunnel, against an unfaired bike is pretty misleading, I mean that's a no brainer, why didn't they compare theirs to the 'other brands' bike that had fairings like theirs did? or were they afraid of what it would show and it would kill off that selling point?
At the end of the day though, I know what the reputation is for Italian racing material, and the reputation for Chineese crap is. It will be interesting to see how it works.
One final note, they are getting all their stuff from china, except the shell, and putting it together here in the US, that should qualify them for any rebates etc the govt is shelling out. Hopefully Energica can get something like that going so their bikes qualify too.
Aaron
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They don't have a wind tunnel. They have a "my first wind tunnel for science lovers" model that's a couple feet long and fits on a desk.
edit- and this bike may be the first but I've not seen a Strike with more than 3kW AC charging as of yet.
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Yeah,
Kind of expected all this bile.
Live in your own little dream worlds.
Checking out. Last post.
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Oh no! Little snowflake melted almost immediately!
It's almost like all owners are preconditioned by Richard to expect persecution which only reinforces zealotry. This would be a fun case study to publish for a behavioral psychologist.
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BTW, that article referenced by Don was published on Mar 28 2019.
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BTW, that article referenced by Don was published on Mar 28 2019.
Has it changed since then?
-Don- Sierraville, CA (ride on my 1971 BMW)
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Wow, so we are only allowed to gush and come all over ourselves at the mention of your bike, but not allowed to mention any honest concerns or questions?
grow a set, use them as saddle bags to carry your fragile ego in.
Aaron
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BTW, that article referenced by Don was published on Mar 28 2019.
Has it changed since then?
-Don- Sierraville, CA (ride on my 1971 BMW)
I have no idea. I just thought that it was a piece of important information that the Strike article was about 4 years old and might not reflect the current design, specifications, price and availability of the Strike.
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Given we have not seen any new articles, which would really behoove them to write if things changed / got better, one is left to pretty much assume what was said then, stands now.
I wish them luck, any competition in this market only leads to better products for everyone overall, but for that to happen, one must be able to have a conversation and answer 'tough questions' without throwing a foot stomper and snivelling off to fairy land.
people are going to be skeptical, they have seen too many scams and promises, turn into road apples. Welcome to the real world. It's not all lollipops and cupcakes and season passes to the unicorn petting zoo.
Aaron
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Oh no! Little snowflake melted almost immediately!
It's almost like all owners are preconditioned by Richard to expect persecution which only reinforces zealotry. This would be a fun case study to publish for a behavioral psychologist.
Makes me wonder if the OP was a real person, or a "Hatfield Plant" to test the waters...
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He is real. He wants to stay positive in his outlook though.
He never talked about looking into Lightning. I hope it works out for him but I'm concerned with Lightning's past results of course.
So if he does stay away we lost the only owner of a Strike who was posting here so we won't know if they are improving things or not.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVXJmfd3cmg
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I have no idea. I just thought that it was a piece of important information that the Strike article was about 4 years old and might not reflect the current design, specifications, price and availability of the Strike.
It looks like Hobnail will have to answer such questions.
I recall a lot of vaporware form Lightning in the past about what was coming. How much of it became true is what I would like to know.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Not sure how valuable that source of info may have been if it is so fragile to questions that are not packed in 10 feet of cotton and a protective bubble boy wrapping. Keeping a positive outlook generally means not taking ones toys and stomping off like a 7 yo.
If things are improving with that company, I am sure we will see more people showing up real soon posting here about their new toys, now that it appears they are finally putting some product out. Not sure if they will survive though. Global Domination is a noble goal but reality tends to thwart those dreams real fast, and how do they expect to achieve this domination and still pay the bills while they are trying to build that dominance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zc4bGkU05o&ab_channel=ShahBaki
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Still impressive that they delivered a bike. Does it have fast charging?
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From the picture I will say the shape of the inlet indicates there is a CCS port on the bike. That is the only thing we can know for sure. I have seen, and personally tested DC fast charging on a Strike before so I know it exists.
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Sucks the OP left. Want to know more about the bike.
How fast does it actually charge? what's the battery capacity and range?
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The Bay Area Electric Motorcycle Club facebook group had its first group ride over the weekend. Im bummed i was traveling for work and had to miss it. But 4 Lightning owners showed up. 5 if you incude the "Tachyon" Streamliner.
Im super bummed i missed getting to see all of them.
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I don't count that because he's not an owner. He owns 2 Energicas, no Lightnings. 7 bikes, 4 owners from what I can tell.
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It will be interesting to see how this bike goes after a few years, especially with all that Chineseium in it!
Aaron
Where did the concept of these bikes being built with Chineseium come from? I was at the factory the other day and I was watching CNC machines build out all the parts. Currently, they had a big stack of swingarms they were finishing up, then new end caps for the motors. I didn't see anything from China.
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There is a photo of the Lightning factory in China in this thread. https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=10650.0
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It will be interesting to see how this bike goes after a few years, especially with all that Chineseium in it!
Aaron
Where did the concept of these bikes being built with Chineseium come from? I was at the factory the other day and I was watching CNC machines build out all the parts. Currently, they had a big stack of swingarms they were finishing up, then new end caps for the motors. I didn't see anything from China.
oh shit did you fail to look at all of the instrument clusters and buttons/switches?
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If they are actually China made it might be better quality than USA made. Chinese vehicle manufacturing is very high quality generally. They have really upped their game.
The real question is how many they are making if any at all ..
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But the stuff they export to the USA is NOT necessarily that same quality, it does not have to be.
Since most American companies, getting shit done in china because it's cheap, they TELL them, keep it cheap. Hence the crap you see on the shelves today.
You are correct though, China IS capable of making some very sturdy equipment that will last a long long time, but they make it to specs the customer tells them to.
Aaron
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Precisely. You get what you pay for. They are perfectly capable of building things to quality specifications. But if you want the cheapest possible, you get the cheapest possible.
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When I was spec'ing out my Fast Charger from Setec, I went back and forth probably 20 times, ironing out every little detail that *I* wanted in the charger, what will it do, what won't it do, No I NEED it to do this and that, ok we can reconfigure it for your needs. Also told them, I want QUALITY, not a piece of K mart shit and was told, that's the only product we put out, we don't do cheap bargain stuff, you want flimsy stuff, go elsewhere.
The charger arrived, very sturdy construction, and of course I 'Looked' inside it, very solidly constructed, and did not get chincy, nice solid HEAVY gauge wire, supported, and the fucking plug to the bike, damn that thing is heavy. Well, has to handle 60 amps for continuous use so yah, it would need to be and is. Good solid copper wire, not shitty aluminum as I HAVE seen in some Amazon / E bay chargers being sold.
Start up is pretty effortless, and the safety features, my plug on the bike, I did not seat it until the latch clicked, both the bike and the charger let me know of the fault and would NOT charge! I checked for leakage current, given CCS can go up to 1 Kilovolt, I want to know this won't cook my cookies if shit gets wet. None that I seen, VERY SOLID charger!! and it is built to I guess it's UL here not sure what it is in other countries... standards.
The price was by far, much cheaper than I seen on other chargers of lesser power, and the other chargers all needed 3phase 440 vac, they could not / would not make it to run off 240 vac.
China builds stuff how they are told and paid to build it, if it's shit, that is because the customer (American Business') TOLD them to make it that way to keep costs down! They don't like lawsuits either and over there, if a company or business owner embarrasses the country by causing one because they did something shady, well... they just disappear, or are executed, so there is even MORE incentive not to fk around too much for them !!
While I LOVE to see things made American, if America can't keep up, or it's prices are out of control because a company HAS to play with union labor, well, sorry.
I'll pay an extra 50 cents for an item to see 'Made in America' on the label
I will NOT pay an extra 5 dollars for the same item to see 'Union Made in America'
Aaron
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Let me add.
The admin / moderator etc.
Has anyone looked up who owns the domain? Maybe contact them?
SOMEONE is paying the bill to host this.
If not, I may be able to try. I want to see if there is any info first before starting from scratch.
thanks
Aaron
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It will be interesting to see how this bike goes after a few years, especially with all that Chineseium in it!
Aaron
Where did the concept of these bikes being built with Chineseium come from? I was at the factory the other day and I was watching CNC machines build out all the parts. Currently, they had a big stack of swingarms they were finishing up, then new end caps for the motors. I didn't see anything from China.
oh shit did you fail to look at all of the instrument clusters and buttons/switches?
The instrument panel comes from Italy as do some buttons/switches.
Some of the buttons and switches are carved on their CNC machines. I sat and watched them run
a set of about 25.
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Oh! Then they've made some changes. This is what they used to look like. Do they not look like this anymore?
(https://i.imgur.com/3Q3oFIB.jpg)
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Oh! Then they've made some changes. This is what they used to look like. Do they not look like this anymore?
picture here...
That does look like part of it, I can't be sure. As I recall, there are more switches and buttons for Reverse, Bike Setup, and Cruise Control. But I don't remember ever seeing any LED on the control assembly. The lights were never off and no one mentioned it to me.
I know many Tesla vehicles are built in China and they don't have issues. Most of those cars go to Western Europe, Canada, and other Asian countries. There are lots of products that are well-made in China. Think iPhone. And lots of low quality. It depends on the manufacturer.
Many American cars have a history of poor quality as they are considered disposable products. This may be due to all the salt on the roads on the East Coast, but mid-west and West Coast cars last for years. West Coast owners demand quality cars as they last a much longer time.
You cannot attach the quality of a product to the country of origin. Italy makes some great cars and motorcycles. They also make some really poor cars such as Fiat and racing go-karts. The frames are the cheapest steel they can buy. England had Triumph which was low quality and cheap, and now sells Austin Martin which is top stuff. Germany has Porsche and BMW, but is also home to Volkswagen, the cheapest and poorest made of the bunch.
I consider "Chinesium", to be a slang, derogatory word used against people/products from China. It's a form of prejudice based on "xenophobia" or "discrimination based on nationality". As an American, I feel that the use of the word is in very poor taste and should not be used to describe products made by people of another country. Shame..
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Yeah I never use that term. It wasn't me. I am well aware you get what you pay for, and tons of high quality products originate there. Things of questionable quality are things I would likely describe as "from Alibaba or Aliexpress".
The LED in question was the high beam indicator. I sent Richard this picture because I was concerned the high beam light was blanking out the left mirror at night. This was the only time I tried riding the Strike at night.
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Yeah I never use that term. It wasn't me. I am well aware you get what you pay for, and tons of high quality products originate there. Things of questionable quality are things I would likely describe as "from Alibaba or Aliexpress".
The LED in question was the high beam indicator. I sent Richard this picture because I was concerned the high beam light was blanking out the left mirror at night. This was the only time I tried riding the Strike at night.
I definitely agree with Aliexpress products being of questionable quality. I have bought some sunglasses that worked out great. Usually, if I have to use Aliexpress. I only purchase disposable products.
If this is the high beam light or something, it appears to light up too much of the cockpit. Thanks for the note and picture, I will check it out when I pick up my bike.
Although some products may not be for me. I really do enjoy the design and like them being used on other people's bikes.
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