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Title: Seat alternatives
Post by: wadejesu on November 10, 2023, 10:25:05 PM
Anybody indulge ? I'm thinking about it.

https://www.corbin.com/energica/erib20.shtml

Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: SwampNut on November 10, 2023, 10:31:32 PM
That's a very weird looking seat.  I don't have an Energica, but I had Corbin on a CBR1100XX, and loved it.  It was in a more traditional shape and position.  It was the difference between discomfort in an hour and outright pain in two, versus four hours and not caring to stop.

Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: Specter on November 11, 2023, 01:17:58 AM
Looks really sweet, but I havent really noticed any issues with my seat TBH.  Im a short shit so maybe that helps a bit, I honestly have no valid input but on that seat, yah I would not mind it.

I inquired before if there were any other seats / windshields for the bike.

if you get it, please let us know how you like it,  yah I am interested now

Aaron
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: smithy on November 11, 2023, 02:57:44 AM
Anybody indulge ? I'm thinking about it.

https://www.corbin.com/energica/erib20.shtml

I have the "E-One" Corbin seat on my Experia....much improved comfort over the OEM seat....which I found terribly hard and unforgiving on my boney ar$e.

Smithy.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: wadejesu on November 11, 2023, 03:36:26 AM
How long did it take to receive it?, Ordered mine today.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: smithy on November 12, 2023, 03:04:13 AM
How long did it take to receive it?, Ordered mine today.

I ordered mine essentially as soon as I got the bike back in Feb '23... and with the bike being so new there weren't many Expeiras about...so getting a bike to use as a test piece was very difficult for them. I believe mine was the very first "customer unit" made and had to be made to order, then shipped to Australia, I understand they're a "colaboration" between E-One and Corbin so it took about 6 weeks or so, (if they have them in stock it should be much quicker). Contact with Steve from E-One is excellent and communcation was never an issue....he kept me in the loop with Mike Corbin and we spoke back and forth often about minor fitting issues and my colour, fabric choices etc....excellent service IMHO.

The seat fits perfectly and although very firm, is very comfortable after just shy of 15k km of use. They also gave me the "heated" version at no extra cost, which was a bonus.....not that I need it here in Sunny Brisbane, Australia....we rarely see single figure temps C even in the middle of winter.

They're a one piece unit rather than the two piece OEM seat on the Experia.

Smithy.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: Specter on November 12, 2023, 09:45:43 AM
How does the heated version plug in and power on/off

Aaron
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: SwampNut on November 12, 2023, 09:13:47 PM
They have a switch on the side, near the bottom/middle of the seat, basically under your ass.  They have a variety of plug options, I had one with a generic SAE male, and one that came with the BMW Powerlet.  In your case you'd have to find a 12v source.  My Zero has an SAE plug right under the seat, stock.  Do you have anything like that on your bike?
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: MVetter on November 12, 2023, 09:39:00 PM
Chiming in to say I'm very happy with my SS9 seat. Honestly I was pleased with the stock one but I will confidently say, as long as you're not wanting to carry passengers, the Corbin one is better. Grippier material, a little support behind you, and it looks sharp. So I like mine. Would recommend.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: jotjotde on November 13, 2023, 03:06:39 PM
@wadejesu: Thank you for pointing that out! I really love the look of that seat!
Maybe I am a ninny, but I would like to have a seat heating. 8)

Wouldn't it be cool, if the rear 'hump' would be designed as a zip compartment to store small items like charge card, USB cable and such?

For all the customizing alternatives the price seems not bad, but as far as I understood you have to send in your original seat first.
I found that Corbin has a distributor here in Germany. I will ask them about that.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: MVetter on November 13, 2023, 03:09:24 PM

For all the customizing alternatives the price seems not bad, but as far as I understood you have to send in your original seat first.
I found that Corbin has a distributor here in Germany. I will ask them about that.

Because they've built the molds there is no reason for them to need your original seat.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: jotjotde on November 13, 2023, 04:05:58 PM
Thanks for pointing that out, I misinterpreted the website's info.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: SwampNut on November 13, 2023, 10:38:14 PM
Wouldn't it be cool, if the rear 'hump' would be designed as a zip compartment to store small items like charge card, USB cable and such?

I had that, the passenger seat was replaced by a lockable fiberglass cowl.  I think it might have been from Sargent?  Just not sure.  It was short-lived on my bike.  I was much younger then, and the ability to pick up a random girl was more important than carrying things at the time.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: Specter on November 14, 2023, 04:56:28 AM
So you pick up the girl and have her hold your stuff.  Best of both worlds !!

How many watts does the seat need to heat you?  The energica does have a 12 volt rail which can be used for the heated hand grips, but I am wondering if the converter that does the 300 volt to 12 volt, how many amps can it take.  Would it be able to handle handgrips AND the seat too?

Aaron
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: SwampNut on November 14, 2023, 05:01:40 AM
So you pick up the girl and have her hold your stuff.  Best of both worlds !!

Usually I wanted her hands elsewhere. 

For the power question, look at what fuse is on the 12v supply for your bike.  Mine is 10A and 14v, so 140 watts.  I would imagine that the Corbin site has their power requirements.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: jotjotde on November 14, 2023, 12:30:21 PM
So, the consensus is to have a girl behind you with two free hands and a backpack  ;D ;D ;D


The German distributor of Corbin answered promptly, albeit they only told me the price (849 € plus 25 € shipping) and the delivery time (up to 16 weeks) for the seat.
My questions regarding the seat heating were not answered yet, but I can easily see that the total will be near the four digits.

TBH, before shelling out that money I will see if I can find a local craftshop. They will not necessarily be cheaper but I will be better off with regard to warranty.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: SwampNut on November 14, 2023, 06:39:24 PM
A great local shop can really customize the seat for you.  The risk is that a low-volume shop may or may not be great, and may or may not be able to give you great results.  I have a number of friends who went that route and the reports vary from "best thing I have sat on" to only being able to ride an hour in pain at most.  Corbin is a known middle ground.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: Specter on November 16, 2023, 01:27:38 AM
This is a shot in the dark but here goes.

If they have an American Legion post there, go ask them where the nearest custom leather shop /  seat shop is at.
or the German counterpart of what that may be, or any local bike club for that matter.  They should know whos there and who's good.
The legion post has a Riders chapter, ie  bike, not gang but group.

If not that, just goto any biker bar and ask.  Contrary to what rumors idiots like to spread, NO you won't get beat up by going into a bar like that if you are a normal person (ie not alternatively affiliated), in fact they tend to be quite friendly to non 'members'.

Thats how I found the leathers shop here in Jax for my duds and vest and stuff.  Small shop in a strip mall, really don't advertise, but apparently are known all over the place (except by me heh)

Aaron
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: SwampNut on November 16, 2023, 03:01:02 AM
In my area, the custom chopper/biker seats are the last thing you want.  They are all built for looks first, comfort...who cares?  You will be fine for the two miles from your dental office to the bar, and back.  I tried to have conversations with two of them about comfort and padding.  Both just pointed to some foam and said they just make whatever shape I want out of that.  Then I bought a Seat Concepts cover and foam, brought it to and, they charged a ludicrous price to do a shit job.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: jotjotde on November 16, 2023, 12:24:10 PM
I already asked some aquaintances for local saddlery shops and I found two which were recommended.

Agreed, there is always the danger that they f**k up and then I have shelled out a lot of money for crap.
That makes Corbin somewhat attractive, they have a reputation from having already delivered to a wide customer base. Secondly I do not need to give them my actual seat, so I can use the bike while the new one is manufactured.

@Aaron: I will inquire in the Blue Oyster Bar where the patrons should know leather shops for sure  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: Specter on November 16, 2023, 05:47:35 PM
I think the whips are 10 percent off, so if they mess up your seat you can beat them into doing it right the second time around!

It's Black Friday, get the black leather, it's on sale.  Not to mention with black seats, when it's 110 degrees outside and super sunny, you worried about sweating your ass off?  no problem, it'll have your ass dried off in a jiffy!

Aaron
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: SwampNut on November 16, 2023, 11:28:05 PM
Secondly I do not need to give them my actual seat, so I can use the bike while the new one is manufactured.

LOL on the Blue Oyster joke.

An additional benefit to keeping your seat is the ability to still swap to it.  When I had my Corbin, I would sometimes switch to the stock seat for short rides, and sporty rides (IE, the type that could land you in jail).  The Corbins tend to keep you in your seat, and body position for sporty riding is a bit harder.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: Kradblatt on November 17, 2023, 06:26:48 PM
Got my Esse seat done at a local seat-maker (upholstery).
That way it’s possible to get exactly what you want/need.
It’s also often cheaper cause you use the old seat as base.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: chisquare on November 17, 2023, 10:33:41 PM
Looks exactly like the original. Have you replaced the upholstery with memory foam? And is it covered with real leather or leatherette/vinyl?
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: smithy on November 19, 2023, 12:01:09 PM
So you pick up the girl and have her hold your stuff.  Best of both worlds !!

How many watts does the seat need to heat you?  The energica does have a 12 volt rail which can be used for the heated hand grips, but I am wondering if the converter that does the 300 volt to 12 volt, how many amps can it take.  Would it be able to handle handgrips AND the seat too?

Aaron

On the Experia it just plugs straight into the 12V supplied plug on the right side of the bike under the fuse box,  there's two of these 12v plugs...very simple.

No modifications or extra wiring needed. The Experia has a Frunk so no need for extra pockets or anything to carry USB cables ETC.

Smithy.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: Specter on November 19, 2023, 12:36:53 PM
Darn, I like that seat but it appears it's putting you up an inch or so on the bike.  For me, that's an issue, I am barely now at where I can flat foot the bike, I don't want to be tippy toeing it.   Maybe I need to get platform riding boots  8) :-*

Aaron
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: smithy on November 20, 2023, 01:14:27 AM
Darn, I like that seat but it appears it's putting you up an inch or so on the bike.  For me, that's an issue, I am barely now at where I can flat foot the bike, I don't want to be tippy toeing it.   Maybe I need to get platform riding boots  8) :-*

Aaron

Assuming Experia..?? I wonder if modifying the shock links would help, (making slightly longer ones).....they're a very simple thing to do by the looks....Or, a slightly shorter spring..?? Then just push the forks up through the triple clamps a similar amount = instant lowered bike. My BMW S1000XR has a similar shock linkage setup...it was quite tall also, I'm 180cm tall, just shy of 6' and I was struggling to flat foot the XR before I put lowering links on it.

Smithy.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: Specter on November 26, 2023, 11:41:21 AM
smithy, while it sounds like an easy fix, I am suspecting that if you do that you are going to change pretty much all the handling dynamics of the bike, and not just a smoother ride thing.  It'd be worth looking into though but you'd need to play around a bit to see how it handles with the new angles and dangles.

aaron
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: wadejesu on December 07, 2023, 02:20:38 AM
Got the seat last week, put about 100 miles on it, much easier on the hind end and better position under hard acceleration. It might be an 1 inch or less taller.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: smithy on December 08, 2023, 02:38:39 AM
smithy, while it sounds like an easy fix, I am suspecting that if you do that you are going to change pretty much all the handling dynamics of the bike, and not just a smoother ride thing.  It'd be worth looking into though but you'd need to play around a bit to see how it handles with the new angles and dangles.

aaron

Not if you do the same at both ends. Will just lose a bit of ground clearance methinks.

Smithy.
Title: Re: Seat alternatives
Post by: Kradblatt on April 11, 2024, 07:11:11 PM
Looks exactly like the original. Have you replaced the upholstery with memory foam? And is it covered with real leather or leatherette/vinyl?

Sorry, I missed your question.

I like the original look so I kept the form. Rider position is a little different at the end/butt.
It's just another upholstery (not as soft as original) and high quality cover.
I don't know exactly what it is made of but it's not leather. Its waterresist, not slippery and feels good :-)